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I was the 2nd fucking post, man!
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No, I read that dribble. That was no substance. Your 2nd post had some effort, but you still havent answered my question?
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That post is the whole reason we're even talking about Sale in the first place.
What question of yours did I ignore?
What question of yours did I ignore?
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So, I see you are bored and ignore things. Have a good night.
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lol...What?
*Edit - Get out of here.
You want to take the Red up about 12-13 stops up north.
*Edit - Get out of here.
You want to take the Red up about 12-13 stops up north.
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Quintana has an awful 8 game sequence going.
Argument is over.
Argument is over.
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There ERA is .13 difference with Quintana having the better FIP. lol Argument is very much alive
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Q is one of the top ten pitchers in the AL. Sale is the best pitcher in the AL. If Shields comes through, the starting pitching is going to be formidable in the 2nd half. Rodon as a 4th starter is pretty damn good. They still need a bat!
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You're basing EVERYTHING on FIP? Whose FIP? Fangraphs?
That's an odd stat to decide to push all your chips in regarding pitching assessment considering nobody seems to calculate FIP the same way. And in the end; you want to go by a "defense independent" stat while choosing a guy who clearly has a higher walk rate (logic tells you - that puts more pressure on defense).
A comprehensive look at all the numbers together show pretty clearly the Sale is the best in the AL.
That's an odd stat to decide to push all your chips in regarding pitching assessment considering nobody seems to calculate FIP the same way. And in the end; you want to go by a "defense independent" stat while choosing a guy who clearly has a higher walk rate (logic tells you - that puts more pressure on defense).
A comprehensive look at all the numbers together show pretty clearly the Sale is the best in the AL.
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Right on. One other thing that doesn't show up in the stats is that Sale was the stopper when the Sox were floundering. Having a guy come in and stop a losing streak when your team is in a funk means a lot to a ball club.
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If Sale has been pitching as bad as Quintana over the last 8 games, then he no longer can claim best pitcher in A.L.
but stats aren't everything. We reasonable people realize Sale is the best pitcher in the A.L., no matter a couple little bumps recently.
but stats aren't everything. We reasonable people realize Sale is the best pitcher in the A.L., no matter a couple little bumps recently.
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Salazar, Estrada are pitching at his level.
But Sale has done it much longer, and is the "MOST VALUABLE" pitcher in the A.L. unquestionably.
But Sale has done it much longer, and is the "MOST VALUABLE" pitcher in the A.L. unquestionably.
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MVP performance tonight. 8 runs in 5 IP
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Off night... for sure.
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Excellent pitchers have rough starts just ask Lester and TCU Jake.
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Absolutely, but if you read through the thread. I said it for a reason. Jake has been shaky for a month. Lester was incredible until his last 2. Its baseball. Im sayng ti the psycho's that think win/loss is the standard for pitching. Sale has not been the second best pitcher in the majors and Quintana has been every bit as good as him. But, names and stuff.
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I guess Hendricks is the Cubs stopper then. Why cant you be objective?