Best Rookie Year in Chicago's NBA history

[Kush77]

Okay, so you don't know much about basketball from before you were alive. That's fine. But to generalize a whole statement, like stats are inflated, and just discredit everything, is terribly ignorant. There is a different gauge to match the different types of play style of different eras, but by no means is 31/19 a number that everyone just magically could get. Baylor wasn't just some 6'5" guy, he was freakishly athletic, some same more so than LeBron, and he had a 7' wingspan. That's nothing to shake a stick at.

Put Brand in that same era, and he'll go home crying, because Wilt and Bill embarrassed him out of the league. I never compared Jordan to Bellamy, so if that is what you were thinking, GTFO.

No, I know plenty about basketball from before I was born. But thankfully I have you, ole wise one. Thank god you're here on chicitysports.com to educate us on NBA history. :bowrofl:

Sorry, I'm not brainwashed by the media when they tell me how great players from back then were because they put up inflated stats.

Wilt Chamberlain. 50.4 ppg - fantastic. Take that at face value, you think he's the greatest scorer ever. Look at it deeper and you'll see that he got 50.4 ppg taking 39.5 shots per game and playing 48.5 minutes. There's only 48 minutes in an NBA game. Jordan takes that many shots and plays those mins, he easily scores 50 plus, maybe 60ppg. So would Kobe or LeBron. They would actually make their free throws.

Bill Russell, he of the 11 titles that we get beat over the head with in the media. You never hear about the career shooting percentage of .440. Bill Russell was a mediocre offensive player. Off the top of my head I would take Wilt, Shaq, Kareem, Robinson, Ewing and Olajuwon over Russell. Bill Russell won the MVP in 1961 while shooting .426%. Yet people complained about Derrick Rose's FG% ha ha.

Elgin Baylor averaged almost 20 beards per game. I didn't say he wasn't great, but he was 6'5. Name me the last 6'5 guy to average 20 rebounds? Who was the 6'5 guy to average 10 rebounds? You bring up LeBron - has LeBron come close to grabbing 20 rebounds per game? Not even close.

Great players from that era would be good today. But the level of competition wasn't nearly as good as it was in the 90s, today or even starting in the 70s.

The gap between top tier players, and the second tier, in the 60s, was huge. That's why guys like Baylor and Wilt could dominate with ridiculous stats.

Put Elgin Baylor in the league today, he doesn't average 19 or 20 boards. Put Wilt in the league today and he never scores 50 per game. Put Russell in the league today and he doesn't win 11 titles. Simple as that.

Put Elton Brand in the 1960s and he puts up Bellamy's numbers. If a 6'9 205-pound Bob Pettit can grab about 18 boards, what would a 6'9, 250-270 lbs Elton Brand do? Please.

31/19 isn't a number that anyone could just get? Any decent big man from this era could put up 31 and 19 with the amount of minutes and shots Bellamy had. The overall competition wasn't that great back then.

Maybe you should know what you're talking about before you call other people ignorant.

 

[Crystallas]

First off, I never said Wilt was the greatest scorer of all-time. Second off, I don't listen to the media. Thus with the start of an ignorant response, merits the ignorant label.

Put Brand in the 60s, he goes home crying. Brand was not the mental player, to survive in that era. Different era, not easier, not harder. DIFFERENT.

 

[Kush77]

First off, I never said Wilt was the greatest scorer of all-time. Second off, I don't listen to the media. Thus with the start of an ignorant response, merits the ignorant label.

Put Brand in the 60s, he goes home crying. Brand was not the mental player, to survive in that era. Different era, not easier, not harder. DIFFERENT.

First, I didn't say in my post "Crystallas said, Wilt is better than MJ," nor did I say "Crystallas said, 'all I do is listen to the media.'" I was speaking in general, not toward you, in those specific examples. But people like you get in such a huff when someone dares to disagree with what you think. In this case, 1960s basketball.

I see how it is, Uncle Crystallas. If someone disagrees with your opinion, then they're ignorant. Thank you again for your guidance, ole wise one.

Brand was not the mental player to survive in that era, lol. Sure thing. I guess that strong mentality of the 1960s couldn't help Bill Russell shoot better than .440 for his career. Or his HOF teammate Bob Cousy shoot better than .375 for his career. So, it takes a strong mentality to shoot a poor percentage? I just thought you had to be a mediocre offensive player. Who knew?! Now most of Cousy's career was in the 1950, but I'm sure the mentality was just as strong then as well.

I look forward to my next history lesson Uncle Crystallas. Maybe you can tell me the story of how grandpa took you to Ebbets Field for the first time.

Here's a list of the shooting percentages for the 1961 World Champion Boston Celtics - interesting.

Tom Heinsohn .400
Bob Cousy .371
Bill Russell .426
Frank Ramsey .407
Sam Jones .449
Bill Sharman .422
K.C. Jones .338
Gene Conley .370
Tom Sanders .420
Jim Loscutoff .301
Gene Guarilia .404

That era was weaker. That team would get eaten alive today. Period. And that was the best team.

 

[Crystallas]

First, I didn't say in my post "Crystallas said, Wilt is better than MJ," nor did I say "Crystallas said, 'all I do is listen to the media.'" I was speaking in general, not toward you, in those specific examples. But people like you get in such a huff when someone dares to disagree with what you think. In this case, 1960s basketball.

you think he's the greatest scorer ever.

Hmm. And I continue to look for anyone else here that has said they think Wilt is the greatest scorer of all time, you know, "just in general". Nope, not in this thread.

This topic, as you can see, is "Best Rookie Year in Chicago's NBA history."

Wilt's rookie year in Chicago? No, but you want to introduce that here. Baylor? No, The Boston Celtics... do the Boston Celtics play for Chicago? Hmmm, no. What's next? Really? Yes, you are ignorant completely if you can't read. How can anyone ignore and derail an entire topic, not comprehend the discussion, then expect to be taken seriously? Step up yo game, or Uncle Crystallas is going to spank dat ass.