Biggest Misconception?

[BigP50]

That Dwight Howard would give us the championship. There is no doubt he is the best center but what we would have to give up to get him and filling those holes, we would be where we were last year.

 

[nwfisch]

That Dwight Howard would give us the championship. There is no doubt he is the best center but what we would have to give up to get him and filling those holes, we would be where we were last year.

#1 in the East?

I see what you're saying, but Howard is better than Noah and Deng.

I'll add this, a misconception is that Luol Deng can't be replaced.

 

[el malo]

That this team is a SG away from being an NBA Finals caliber team.

i agree the bulls are not just a SG away but also a decent SF to help out deng(korver is not good enough) and a PF with a post game.(boozer is not good enough)

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

#1 in the East?

I see what you're saying, but Howard is better than Noah and Deng.

I'll add this, a misconception is that Luol Deng can't be replaced.

ok, i'll bite

who do you replace him with?

 

[clonetrooper264]

ok, i'll bite

who do you replace him with?

Well you CAN replace him...it's just a matter of finding someone who can while also looking for a shooting guard that we want. If we can find someone, then we can include Deng in a trade for a SG which would probably help out a lot in terms of salary balancing. Though really thinking about it, who's someone that could play both ways at least as well as Deng? I guess there's Iggy since a lot of people call him a SF anyway. Wilson Chandler? Technically there's Lebron. xD But we won't get into that. Hmm...perhaps it's a bit harder after all. xD

 

[nwfisch]

ok, i'll bite

who do you replace him with?

A draft pick.

People say Deng has more value than Noah, that is where I disagree.

A lot of SFs can do what Deng does. Score 17 a game and play great defense. With one of the best teachers in the game in Thibodeau, I feel most anyone could have achieved in Deng's spot.

I'm not saying start Kyle Korver, I'm saying if you trade Deng for a fringe all-star 2 guard, without giving up picks, Deng can be replaced.

Noah is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game, and is the only center who can run the fast break. That is more valuable then what Deng does, because Noah is the only one who can.
Deng does a great job, but he overachieved this season. He has injury history, and to me you trade at his highest value, which is right now.

A reality will be in about 2-3 years when Deng's contract is up, the Bulls will likely not be able to afford him. I'd rather trade him now for something of value.

 

[gobullschi]

ok, i'll bite

who do you replace him with?

Tayshaun Prince

 

[MRN]

That Dwight Howard is the savior himself.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Tayshaun Prince

eh......

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

A draft pick.

People say Deng has more value than Noah, that is where I disagree.

A lot of SFs can do what Deng does. Score 17 a game and play great defense. With one of the best teachers in the game in Thibodeau, I feel most anyone could have achieved in Deng's spot.

I'm not saying start Kyle Korver, I'm saying if you trade Deng for a fringe all-star 2 guard, without giving up picks, Deng can be replaced.

Noah is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game, and is the only center who can run the fast break. That is more valuable then what Deng does, because Noah is the only one who can.
Deng does a great job, but he overachieved this season. He has injury history, and to me you trade at his highest value, which is right now.

A reality will be in about 2-3 years when Deng's contract is up, the Bulls will likely not be able to afford him. I'd rather trade him now for something of value.

ok...like who?

 

[clonetrooper264]

ok...like who?

Lebron, Gerald Wallace, Josh Smith?, Wilson Chandler? Ok you win. xD

Fact of the matter is, Deng is probably a top 10 SF in the league. He can play both ways really well, something a lot of other players can't. Even those above him offensively have their woes defensively...it's just that their offense is so good it doesn't really matter (Melo, Pierce, Durant).

 

[nwfisch]

ok...like who?

I think any player can be coached to do those things. Whether or not they do them is another story.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I think any player can be coached to do those things. Whether or not they do them is another story.

exactly..why not keep someone who is a proven 2nd/3rd option/ 17 PPG and has already played incredible defense...people also forget that deng is like 6'8 or 6'9 and long on the wing...

and i still think a wing player is more important in the nba than an elite post guy..especially when quite a few of the great players in the nba are either SFs or SGs....deng's length is a great defensive tool against many of those guys...plus on the wing you need a guy who can take the outside shot and be able to drive to the lane for scores....a lot more to rely on with a wing players...most post guys now a days are clean up and shot blockers....

now of course noah is a bit younger than deng..but deng is not too old either....i wouldnt risk trading deng for unproven talent

 

[Utahbullsfan]

exactly..why not keep someone who is a proven 2nd/3rd option/ 17 PPG and has already played incredible defense...people also forget that deng is like 6'8 or 6'9 and long on the wing...

and i still think a wing player is more important in the nba than an elite post guy..especially when quite a few of the great players in the nba are either SFs or SGs....deng's length is a great defensive tool against many of those guys...plus on the wing you need a guy who can take the outside shot and be able to drive to the lane for scores....a lot more to rely on with a wing players...most post guys now a days are clean up and shot blockers....

now of course noah is a bit younger than deng..but deng is not too old either....i wouldnt risk trading deng for unproven talent

How much D do you think Ronnie could make up for if Deng was moved??

Our O would suffer though

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Lebron, Gerald Wallace, Josh Smith?, Wilson Chandler? Ok you win. xD

Fact of the matter is, Deng is probably a top 10 SF in the league. He can play both ways really well, something a lot of other players can't. Even those above him offensively have their woes defensively...it's just that their offense is so good it doesn't really matter (Melo, Pierce, Durant).

you can automatically take melo,pierce,durant,and lebron out of this equation....either those guys want too big of a contract and/or are just not leaving period

gerald wallace is an interesting thought...although i argue he is on a downturn in his career

josh smith is another thought...but he is not as good as deng offensively imo..and his 3 point shot is non exisistent

wilson chandler is not as good defensively as deng...and his offense still needs work

another option is a guy like iguodala...but he seems to be on a career downturn as well

i think the bulls are in a good place with deng

 

[nwfisch]

exactly..why not keep someone who is a proven 2nd/3rd option/ 17 PPG and has already played incredible defense...people also forget that deng is like 6'8 or 6'9 and long on the wing...

and i still think a wing player is more important in the nba than an elite post guy..especially when quite a few of the great players in the nba are either SFs or SGs....deng's length is a great defensive tool against many of those guys...plus on the wing you need a guy who can take the outside shot and be able to drive to the lane for scores....a lot more to rely on with a wing players...most post guys now a days are clean up and shot blockers....

now of course noah is a bit younger than deng..but deng is not too old either....i wouldnt risk trading deng for unproven talent

Stat that surprised me. Deng is younger than Noah. Noah was born in Feburary 1985 Deng in April of 1985.

Granted Deng's been in the NBA 3 years longer, but like I mentioned earlier, with the impending CBA agreement, the Bulls will likely not be able to afford Rose Deng Noah and Boozer. The easy answer is to trade Boozer because he stinks, but Deng is a solid player that can garner a ton back in a trade.

I'm not saying post is more important than wing, I'm saying if you trade Deng he can be replaced. You can replace Noah, but you won't have a center who can run quick and make passes. You can fill a hole of 17 ppg and defense easily.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

How much D do you think Ronnie could make up for if Deng was moved??

Our O would suffer though

exactly and the O is still a problem even WITH Deng...deng is young and a good combination of a good versatile scorer and a great versatile defender...is he a second option...meh idk about that but he's certainly a great asset to have at the 3

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Stat that surprised me. Deng is younger than Noah. Noah was born in Feburary 1985 Deng in April of 1985.

Granted Deng's been in the NBA 3 years longer, but like I mentioned earlier, with the impending CBA agreement, the Bulls will likely not be able to afford Rose Deng Noah and Boozer. The easy answer is to trade Boozer because he stinks, but Deng is a solid player that can garner a ton back in a trade.

I'm not saying post is more important than wing, I'm saying if you trade Deng he can be replaced. You can replace Noah, but you won't have a center who can run quick and make passes. You can fill a hole of 17 ppg and defense easily.

if you say so...but you could trade noah and a draft pick(or two) and get a better offensive center who can complement rose deng and boozer

but if anyone should be traded its boozer..and you'd be surprised...i think considering he averaged 17 and 10 in the regular season he will still attract plenty of trade bait

 

[gobullschi]

but if anyone should be traded its boozer..and you'd be surprised...i think considering he averaged 17 and 10 in the regular season he will still attract plenty of trade bait

Boozer is not going to get traded. Gar Forman has stated this numerous times. Next year may be different, but as of now the idea of trading Boozer is a dead issue.

 

[clonetrooper264]

you can automatically take melo,pierce,durant,and lebron out of this equation....either those guys want too big of a contract and/or are just not leaving period

Well...yeah. xD I was just saying that guys that are better than Deng are in the superstar/untouchable category so that's more a testament to how good Deng is than a let's try to get one of these guys kind of thing.

gerald wallace is an interesting thought...although i argue he is on a downturn in his career

josh smith is another thought...but he is not as good as deng offensively imo..and his 3 point shot is non exisistent

wilson chandler is not as good defensively as deng...and his offense still needs work

another option is a guy like iguodala...but he seems to be on a career downturn as well

i think the bulls are in a good place with deng

I would agree that Wallace is on the latter part of his career and he'd be like another Boozer of sorts.

As for Smith, he's clearly worse offensively, but I attribute that to poor shot selection and not really playing to his strengths. He likes the jump shot a little too much and he doesn't really have one. I doubt he'd change much with us, but he is good enough offensively for our purposes if we have a few other guys who can knock down a 3 to go along with him. He's probably not even on our radar anyway so whatever.

Wilson Chandler has some room to grow imo. He's not as good as Deng right now, but I think that he could potentially at least be as good offensively. Defensively, he's more athletic than Deng and I think Thibs could really make him a darn good defensive player.

I'd take Iggy over Deng at SF, but I'm more of the advocate to having him at SG as I'm sure people have figured out by now. I don't care how many of you say he's purely a SF he can play SG dangit! xD

But yeah, I would agree that we're perfectly fine with Deng. We can't really do much better honestly.