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It's neither. It's a currency. By definition, a currency. Even recognized by different governments as a currency.

IIRC but not by most. Many pundits say it acts more like stocks than currency. I mean you buy and sell the currency. Kinda what your graphic showed. Most aren't in a position where they can afford to gamble so much.
 

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IIRC but not by most. Many pundits say it acts more like stocks than currency. I mean you buy and sell the currency. Kinda what your graphic showed. Most aren't in a position where they can afford to gamble so much.

:shrug: How it acts doesn't change the fact that it is a currency. How is a young currency supposed to act?

I'm not here to sell bitcoins. So I'm not sure what the skepticism angle is coming from. Bitcoins exist, they are a currency, they are used as a medium of exchange between many people and businesses. There are intermediaries on top of that. The discussion about the idea of BitCoin has moved far along, it is already rooted and functioning.
 

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I literally became aware of what bitcoins were this week randomly. Interesting stuff.
 

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Still have no idea what Bitcoins are..
 

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Still have no idea what Bitcoins are..

I didn't intend to be some preachy bastard and post here to sell the concept, or promote the thing. That being said, if you have any questions, I'll answer them. I sincerely was more interested in seeing if anyone here was involved or interested in BitCoin stuff.

I know the topic itself is pretty advanced. One that has had economics and finance professors stumped in trying to understand what and how a cryptocurrency operates, specifically BitCoin, which is the first of its kind.

A lot of people have made wild claims in all directions. Over-stating what a BitCoin can do as a positive, and then misleading those in what BitCoin is bad at.
This site sums up most early thoughts very well. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths

First, it's a decentralized crypto-currency. Decentralized, meaning nobody issues the currency. This part alone is confusing in itself, because most of the world has gotten used to different forms of central banking. Regular people participate and control the network. Approximately 18 million people have used BitCoins for some form of transaction in the last week alone. That means about 18million people were playing a part in contributing to the network and BitCoin economy. That number is up from February, where only 2 million people had used BitCoin in a weeks time.

Now why is it growing?
So many people around the world live in countries where one of two things have happened(or both). They never believed that their government currency would collapse or erode. These people were so complacent with their money, they ignored historical evidence that every currency collapses, when it is not backed by gold or a very stable commodity. But there is another problem with gold as well, gold has also been historically confiscated. So when you look around all of the available options, to these people who are in politically or economically hostile areas, BitCoin would up being a great solution for the short term, maybe long term as well. BitCoin fanboys will say something silly, like hostility exists, so BitCoin is immune, but that's misleading IMO. However, true that BitCoin is far better developed for such hostility than existing currencies, but far from perfect.

The other thing that is different for those around the world, are those who live in places where exchange rates crush the value of the individual's holdings. A bitcoin's value is the same everywhere in the world. Person A lives in a country with a super high unemployment rate, has to go overt the border for work, takes home enough to feed their family, then has to exchange it for local currency. They lose 20% of their income immediately. I'm not trying to bring morals into this, or play on emotions, this is a commonality around the world, even in locations that use US Dollars and Euros. Due to the extreme inefficiency of the system, to actively exchange currencies and fund the systems within, it bares costs to someone. 20% is high, and it's also not a scalped fee, because it represents real world costs for this system. For these people, they are trying to use BitCoin as much as possible, because the real world fees are far lower. It's designed with the local exchange problem in mind.

Now why would an American care for BitCoins? Well, haha, I can't explain it. But someone might want to invest in them, use them to buy things online. Not so much brick and mortar shops, although I have seen a few places that took bitcoin in the US, it's simply uncommon or unadvertised.

I travel sometimes for business purposes. And when I say travel, I don't mean out of state, or to Canada. I went to Panama earlier this year, Singapore last year, Denmark the year before. All on business, and all were last minute, so when did I have time to plan? Shoot, I could just use Visa and deal with it, but then I'm paying tourist prices everywhere and missing out on the actual experience(mind you, on a business trip, you only have maybe 4 hours in a 4 day period to explore outside of the task. You're in another country, but really just living in a hotel). But why is my experience of any value? Well, every year, the amount of people I have had to deal with, were less reluctant to deal with US Dollars. American's are not as loved as we once used to be. But when I went to Panama, I had an easier time spending bitcoin, than using Dollars. I literally went to buy dinner at a sit-down place, asked if they spoke english. Yes. Asked if they took USD or Visa? They paused, pointed me to an exchange that was closed until morning. Then I said, wait, BitCoin, as a last hope to get some food in me that night. The woman looked at me all confused, but the owner heard me and swung right in, gave me a BitCoin QR code. He didn't speak much english, but he knows the word BitCoin. Long story short, not only did I eat that night and save myself from spending $50 on shitty room service, I was introduced to about 20 places in walking distance that ALSO took BitCoin. I spent $50 worth of BitCoin to buy food and a few gifts for my family. Stuff that would have been $300 worth, if I relied on the concierge. I'm self-employed, so most of this stuff comes out of my pocket, or my per diem.
 

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I took profits too soon. This is insanity.
 

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So did everyone with a ton of money invested in Bitcoin commit suicide?
 

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So did everyone with a ton of money invested in Bitcoin commit suicide?

No, why? For 95% of people who bought in, they need bitcoin to drop below $80 and not recover to take a loss(plus so much of it moves on a daily basis because it's primarily used as a currency, people spend it/exchange it at market rates which is automatically self-correcting). The China surge changed everything, then the Chinese feds passed regulation that prohibits banks from doing transfers. Most of the Chinese that wanted a solution like bitcoin are furious, and they're fighting back. It's pretty easy to pin-point what, where, why.
 

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No, why? For 95% of people who bought in, they need bitcoin to drop below $80 and not recover to take a loss(plus so much of it moves on a daily basis because it's primarily used as a currency, people spend it/exchange it at market rates which is automatically self-correcting). The China surge changed everything, then the Chinese feds passed regulation that prohibits banks from doing transfers. Most of the Chinese that wanted a solution like bitcoin are furious, and they're fighting back. It's pretty easy to pin-point what, where, why.

Am I reading this right. Since crossing $80 only 5% more people have bought the "currency?"
 

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No, why? For 95% of people who bought in, they need bitcoin to drop below $80 and not recover to take a loss(plus so much of it moves on a daily basis because it's primarily used as a currency, people spend it/exchange it at market rates which is automatically self-correcting). The China surge changed everything, then the Chinese feds passed regulation that prohibits banks from doing transfers. Most of the Chinese that wanted a solution like bitcoin are furious, and they're fighting back. It's pretty easy to pin-point what, where, why.

I learned of the crash through Reddit in r/worldnews... the top comment of that thread said the top post of r/bitcoin was a link to the suicide hotline, indicating that people who put a lot of money into bitcoin were in hot shit and depressed to hell.
 

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I learned of the crash through Reddit in r/worldnews... the top comment of that thread said the top post of r/bitcoin was a link to the suicide hotline, indicating that people who put a lot of money into bitcoin were in hot shit and depressed to hell.

:shrug:

Veteran bitcoiners told newbies not to buy bitcoin above value, unless they had a direct need for it. For those who don't listen, they're going to learn the hard way I guess, regardless of what it is. Bitcoin is not for newbs.

That being said, I made off like a bandit. Some advanced economics knowledge goes a long way. BitCoin goes up, you win. BitCoin goes down, you win. Amazing what research and analytical skills can do(and not relying on someone's blog site to act as some shortcut).
 

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Too expensive to get into. Plus, is it even possible to cash out and exchange them for US dollars?
 

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Too expensive to get into. Plus, is it even possible to cash out and exchange them for US dollars?

Yes and yes.

Expensive for 1 bitcoin. But bitcoins aren't exchanged on a 1 per. They are divisible, and most exchanges(when I say exchange, I mean all exchanges, not just currency exchanges, like when you buy goods and services) trade in these fractions. Spend 0.01 bitcoin, buy 0.01 bitcoin, ect. I still wouldn't suggest investing in bitcoin right now, the user needs to be filled in on the details. Although I'm somewhat confidant that even with the last week's drop, BitCoin will eventually see many new all-time highs.

And yes, BitCoin can be transfered in the US. It's actually easier to do so now, than it was a year ago. Legitimately or in the underground. You can even donate bitcoins to fund elections in the US.
 

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Veteran bitcoiners told newbies not to buy bitcoin above value, unless they had a direct need for it. For those who don't listen, they're going to learn the hard way I guess, regardless of what it is. Bitcoin is not for newbs.

That being said, I made off like a bandit. Some advanced economics knowledge goes a long way. BitCoin goes up, you win. BitCoin goes down, you win. Amazing what research and analytical skills can do(and not relying on someone's blog site to act as some shortcut).

Please explain
 

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Please explain

On many different levels. If you want to accumulate bitcoins, when it goes down, the price is low, as well as the payout for goods and services exchanged are higher. It's no secret. The analytical part might be more of a secret, because it takes a lot of work to get a good system down, but not the concept of profiting on a downtrend.
 

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I read some story a while back about this guy who had collected bitcoin for a while and had it stored on a hard drive that he mistakenly threw away. Something like 9 million dollars worth I think it said. But not knowing much about it I'm not terribly sure about the details.

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On many different levels. If you want to accumulate bitcoins, when it goes down, the price is low, as well as the payout for goods and services exchanged are higher. It's no secret. The analytical part might be more of a secret, because it takes a lot of work to get a good system down, but not the concept of profiting on a downtrend.

You can say that with any commodity/currency/psuedocurrency....
 

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You can say that with any commodity/currency/psuedocurrency....

Pretty much, and I never made claims otherwise. You asked, I answered.
 

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