Blackhawks Sign Michael Frolik To A 3 Year Contract Worth 7 Million

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LonghornBob said:
Brouwer put up 17 and 19 last year if I recall correctly. Mire thancthat the prior year and he was dealing with the issues surrounding his dad and the missed time. I didn't think of it in these terms, but the above statement about keeping Brouwer is right. He's more productive, has been a hitter, and would have run the same coin. That sorta pisses in the soup for me. If Frolik doesn't put up the numbers Brouwer has for the last two years I'll be cheesed. He needs to surpass those totals.
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I think the upside on Frolik is higher than it is on Brouwer. In other words, Frolik has more skill.

Brouwer was here for a while, playing with extremely talented linemates and he never materialized into a player the team couldn't do without.
 
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Buff, I agree that Frolik probably has more potential, but potential means "hasn't done shit yet".

I'll be okay with it if Fro puts up 15 and 20 or some kind of 35-40 point season with some well-timed forearm shivers, but if he doesn't produce what Brouwer has I'll feel jobbed. Brouwer produced on a Cup winning squad (with which he put up 4 goals and 4 assists during the run). If Frolik can't match that then his potential is just that, unrealized talent, and Bowman choked.

"Bird in the hand" as I recall... I'll be the first to come here when Frolk puts up his 40th point and say I was wrong, I'm just not sure I see it happening.
 
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Yeah, let me know who on this team will replace his 450 hits combined the last 2 years..
 

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I don't think Frolik is the same guy as Brower- or is supposed to be - however, Bickell -should be able to step up.

I don't necessarily know if he did last season ( as I would love to see some full games - but those are not available for me) -- I did see him on a line with Toews/Kane in that Nashville game where Kane scores with about 13 seconds left and then Hossa won it in OT.

Bickell was a non-factor -at least as far as big guys go. I am hoping he threw his weight around a little last season -as he has the body for it. (He's built like a wall).

However hitting on its own is pretty much meaningless.

Edited: Replacing 450 combined hits over 2 seasons -- replacing of...

Carcillo, Mayers, possibly Smith. But hitting as a stat standing by itself is meaningless.

Edit.. Montador, O'Donnell... (both replacing spots where there wasn't much of a presence).

Come to think of it - who replaced Boynton's hitting? No - wait- did it matter? (Doubt it).

I liked Brouwer all right, but -frankly the guy was just another generic player that got shifted all over the place. I buy totally, that he was frustrated with that -- but the thing is ... that was the coach's decision -so the problem is with the coaching in that case...

Come to think of it Brouwer's production when on the Kane Toews line - compared to on another line ... seems to suggest that production changes with linemates (another thread, sure ... but same thing).

Sometimes, though if you want to clear some cap space - someone goes... in this last case it was Brouwer ... gotta open up slots - might as well open them up with the 3 mil per season or so guys ... if performance is relatively equal.

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...come to think of it ... if Niemi played better in the finals - then he might have gotten the MVP in place of Toews ... whiuch would have meant that one guy out of the mix of Buff, Versteeg, Ladd, or Niemi could have stayed.
 
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LonghornBob said:
Brouwer put up 17 and 19 last year if I recall correctly. Mire thancthat the prior year and he was dealing with the issues surrounding his dad and the missed time. I didn't think of it in these terms, but the above statement about keeping Brouwer is right. He's more productive, has been a hitter, and would have run the same coin. That sorta pisses in the soup for me. If Frolik doesn't put up the numbers Brouwer has for the last two years I'll be cheesed. He needs to surpass those totals.
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Buff, I agree that Frolik probably has more potential, but potential means "hasn't done shit yet".

I'll be okay with it if Fro puts up 15 and 20 or some kind of 35-40 point season with some well-timed forearm shivers, but if he doesn't produce what Brouwer has I'll feel jobbed. Brouwer produced on a Cup winning squad (with which he put up 4 goals and 4 assists during the run). If Frolik can't match that then his potential is just that, unrealized talent, and Bowman choked.

"Bird in the hand" as I recall... I'll be the first to come here when Frolk puts up his 40th point and say I was wrong, I'm just not sure I see it happening.
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Your talking about 2 totally different players here with different game styles. Brouwer got his shot at the top line and couldn't perform. Brouwer has only put up 1 season wth 22 goals in 3 years. Frolik has done that in 2 years and last year with the change of eveything in Floida he struggled. Once he came to Chicago he showed what he really has the capabilities of, and that being a 2-way foward. He wasn't the bestoffensively but once he got comfotable enough on a line with Bolland those numbers started coming. Frolik is also 2 years younger than Brouwer.

You talk about Brouwer contributing to the cup, well this past post season Brouwer didn't do a thing but play 7 games. Frolik, in his first post-seson appearence racked up 5 points in 7 games.

So we lose Brouwer who provided hits, but we added Montador, O'Donnell, Carcillo, and Mayers. Pointis Brouwer had his shot, and didn't make the best of it, now he's in Washington.
 

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Capt. Serious said:
Yeah, let me know who on this team will replace his 450 hits combined the last 2 years..
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Well let ya known when there's any relevance to the hits. Brouwers were mostly moot. Not much protection or intimidation came from his hitting guys after they sent the puck away.

Frolz making more money up front when they have the available pay so they dont feel contorted if they do want to trade him in 2 years or not have to worry about taking more pay losses is terrible? oookay
 
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I was on the fence w/ Frolik because he could not find the net in the regular season. Don't remember the exact number, but I know he had a huge goal slump.

But he won me over with his performance in Games 4-7 of the Vancouver series (particularly his brass-balls moment in his Game 6 shootout).

A guy that's 25 who's already had two 20-goal seasons while playing in the hockey purgatory that is the Florida Panthers? I'll take that.
 

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Pricey. Now he can invest in one of these to cure his crestaimolitis:

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Fro is the perfect wing for Bolland. He is responsible in his own zone, he battles on the tough ice and he has the ability to put up points.
 
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