Bowman has his eyes set on Dubois

[Raskolnikov]

After re-thinking it, our time table is different with Kane and I'd be ok with it, simply because Dach may not be ok for 2-3 years. He's gonna have to re-learn stick handling and things like that. My father had a similar break, the lump hand compund shatter. Without knowing Dachs injury details...

you have to weigh what Bowman knows, with length of recovery, team timetable, a possibility occurred to me that changed my mind...a verbal agreement on a goaltender or guessing of someone available. (or inside knowledge on Nalimov)

So I believe the guy Stan wants is out there, Stan looks a little better in lite of Crow retirement, although I maintain I wanted Lehner long term from day 1. But he's just my type of guy.

It just feels like we might have a beed on a couple guys already out there. Demko knocked some goalies free, and others are 2-3 deep...I feel like pressure will have to diffuse a goalie toward us at some point.

 

[KBIB]

Dach and Dubois are both centers...no? Neither guy can win a draw to save their lives.

Dubois can play wing

 

[HSBOB]

I watched that draft and I believe he was compared to Toews.

Idk if I'd compare them too much tho. He's faster then Toews was and has a mean streak.

The big question is....

Would you trade the Hawks first round pick this year for Dubois when there's alot of potential that pick could be a lottery pick which could possibly be first overall when the second coming of Chris Pronger will be available?

I wouldn't compare Toews to Dubois either....
Pierre-Luc Dubois Stats and News | NHL.com

Jonathan Toews Stats and News | NHL.com

Because there is no comparison......especially at the dot where there's a 14pt career percentage gap.

He might have a men streak but hockeyfights doesn't show a single tilt from him.

 

[KBIB]

I wouldn't compare Toews to Dubois either....
Pierre-Luc Dubois Stats and News | NHL.com

Jonathan Toews Stats and News | NHL.com

Because there is no comparison......especially at the dot where there's a 14pt career percentage gap.

He might have a men streak but hockeyfights doesn't show a single tilt from him.

Dubois is basically a LW who plays center, so face off stats are kind of misleading to go along with Toews being a faceoff god trying to justify faceoffs using him as a comparison.

There's a few fights out there with Dubois, but fights being a part of hockey that's in the works of being cancelled isn't a barometer for having a mean streak any more. You have to watch his play. He finishes checks with force and has no issues with getting under players skins.

He's a legit power forward. Something the Hawks haven't had since prime Bickell with Dubois being better then prime Bickell in every facet.

Would I trade Dach for him? Right now? With the uncertainty of a wrecked wrist and possibly being able to take advantage of a dead cap and getting the Jackets first rounder along with Dubois? Yeah. I would because next year's draft is turning into one of the best group of defenseman in a few years and two lottery picks could net you a top pairing for the next decade.

But I would also try my best to include everyone but Dach first.

Cat, Strome(who has little trade value),Kubalik, you name it id offer

 

[HSBOB]

Dubois is basically a LW who plays center, so face off stats are kind of misleading to go along with Toews being a faceoff god trying to justify faceoffs using him as a comparison.

There's a few fights out there with Dubois, but fights being a part of hockey that's in the works of being cancelled isn't a barometer for having a mean streak any more. You have to watch his play. He finishes checks with force and has no issues with getting under players skins.

He's a legit power forward. Something the Hawks haven't had since prime Bickell with Dubois being better then prime Bickell in every facet.

Would I trade Dach for him? Right now? With the uncertainty of a wrecked wrist and possibly being able to take advantage of a dead cap and getting the Jackets first rounder along with Dubois? Yeah. I would because next year's draft is turning into one of the best group of defenseman in a few years and two lottery picks could net you a top pairing for the next decade.

But I would also try my best to include everyone but Dach first.

Cat, Strome(who has little trade value),Kubalik, you name it id offer

Columbus lists him as a center,I don't watch BJ's games so maybe he does play wing..........he shouldn't play center at 43%FO's anyway.

link to his fights?

 

[Raskolnikov]

Columbus lists him as a center,I don't watch BJ's games so maybe he does play wing..........he shouldn't play center at 43%FO's anyway.

link to his fights?

some of these new style teams play like 8 C's as starters, like the Bruins.

 

[ruprecht]

Dubois is basically a LW who plays center, so face off stats are kind of misleading to go along with Toews being a faceoff god trying to justify faceoffs using him as a comparison.

There's a few fights out there with Dubois, but fights being a part of hockey that's in the works of being cancelled isn't a barometer for having a mean streak any more. You have to watch his play. He finishes checks with force and has no issues with getting under players skins.

He's a legit power forward. Something the Hawks haven't had since prime Bickell with Dubois being better then prime Bickell in every facet.

Would I trade Dach for him? Right now? With the uncertainty of a wrecked wrist and possibly being able to take advantage of a dead cap and getting the Jackets first rounder along with Dubois? Yeah. I would because next year's draft is turning into one of the best group of defenseman in a few years and two lottery picks could net you a top pairing for the next decade.

But I would also try my best to include everyone but Dach first.

Cat, Strome(who has little trade value),Kubalik, you name it id offer

Yeah Cat, Strome, etc for sure. Would hate to lose Kubalik. Be wicked to have Dubois, but not sure how realistic it is anyway. Lot of teams are in the mix

 

[KBIB]

Columbus lists him as a center,I don't watch BJ's games so maybe he does play wing..........he shouldn't play center at 43%FO's anyway.

link to his fights?

Mackinnion was 43% on FOs last year. He shouldn't play center either?

As for his fights, if you type his name into the youtube search bar, then after that type "fight" I'm sure his fights with Crosby, Macvoy, and Barzal will show up.

 

[KBIB]

Yeah Cat, Strome, etc for sure. Would hate to lose Kubalik. Be wicked to have Dubois, but not sure how realistic it is anyway. Lot of teams are in the mix

With the names being thrown around the Hawks would have to include Dach

 

[ruprecht]

With the names being thrown around the Hawks would have to include Dach

Noooooo!

 

[LordKOTL]

Dubois is basically a LW who plays center, so face off stats are kind of misleading to go along with Toews being a faceoff god trying to justify faceoffs using him as a comparison.

There's a few fights out there with Dubois, but fights being a part of hockey that's in the works of being cancelled isn't a barometer for having a mean streak any more. You have to watch his play. He finishes checks with force and has no issues with getting under players skins.

He's a legit power forward. Something the Hawks haven't had since prime Bickell with Dubois being better then prime Bickell in every facet.

Would I trade Dach for him? Right now? With the uncertainty of a wrecked wrist and possibly being able to take advantage of a dead cap and getting the Jackets first rounder along with Dubois? Yeah. I would because next year's draft is turning into one of the best group of defenseman in a few years and two lottery picks could net you a top pairing for the next decade.

But I would also try my best to include everyone but Dach first.

Cat, Strome(who has little trade value),Kubalik, you name it id offer

At this point there's no way I'd offer Koob. Koob has more goals, and about the same amount of points, a higher +/- on a team with a team defense that is an order of magnitude worse, is about 1.3M cheaper, and the only real downsides to Koob are that he's less of a setup man and he's arbitration eligible after all is said and done.

Further, aside from the Almighty Kane, who else do we have that's a finisher? He does Saad better than Saad at this point. Trading out Koob for Dubois would be robbing Peter to pay Paul, but trading something the 'hawks need (a finisher), for something that while we may need (faceoffs), does something we already have plenty of (Set-up guys).

I'd hate to see Dach go, but right now I think Koob's untouchable until he proves otherwise. El Gato I'd do in a heartbeat but I think that moving forward the choices should be who should the 'hawks keep around for the next gen, as opposed for making a Hjammer/Niemi "who would you rather have" scenario. The 'hawks likely aren't going anywhere for a few years so getting in Dubois over Koob doesn't do much--we're likley still going to get killed in the faceoff circle and likely still going to get killed on the scoreboard with only Kane and Koob the finishers of note (unless Debrincat rights his game).

 

[Granada]

Dubois is basically a LW who plays center, so face off stats are kind of misleading to go along with Toews being a faceoff god trying to justify faceoffs using him as a comparison.

There's a few fights out there with Dubois, but fights being a part of hockey that's in the works of being cancelled isn't a barometer for having a mean streak any more. You have to watch his play. He finishes checks with force and has no issues with getting under players skins.

He's a legit power forward. Something the Hawks haven't had since prime Bickell with Dubois being better then prime Bickell in every facet.

Would I trade Dach for him? Right now? With the uncertainty of a wrecked wrist and possibly being able to take advantage of a dead cap and getting the Jackets first rounder along with Dubois? Yeah. I would because next year's draft is turning into one of the best group of defenseman in a few years and two lottery picks could net you a top pairing for the next decade.

But I would also try my best to include everyone but Dach first.

Cat, Strome(who has little trade value),Kubalik, you name it id offer

Man would I love to have a bonafide power forward on this team -- I've been waiting for this for what seems like ages. I actually thought we were close with Bell and Calder; recently I thought we were close with Saad and Bickell (and Buff, but I knew he'd be traded before Sharp, which was the right move).

I'd also give up Cat, Strome or Kubalik. Kubalik actually scares me, I'm not sure if he'll be able to produce now that the book is out on him this year -- I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but either way, I'd give him up too.

 

[MassHavoc]

Just curious, was anyone actually able to login and read what Lubrun said?

 

[KBIB]

Man would I love to have a bonafide power forward on this team -- I've been waiting for this for what seems like ages. I actually thought we were close with Bell and Calder; recently I thought we were close with Saad and Bickell (and Buff, but I knew he'd be traded before Sharp, which was the right move).

I'd also give up Cat, Strome or Kubalik. Kubalik actually scares me, I'm not sure if he'll be able to produce now that the book is out on him this year -- I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but either way, I'd give him up too.

Well the names being thrown around Kakko, who I think the rangers are trying to get rid of, and Laine, who has burned a bridge in the Peg, are big names. If Stan was smart, and Dach was the guy they wanted, I'd tell them point blank that first rounder has to be included because Laine wants to get paid and I don't think Kakko is as good as he was hyped.

Sure, the dynamic of the Hawks future changes because you would have to keep Strome long term and get every last bit of Toews when or if he comes back, but you would have two stacked lines of you plugged Dubois in at wing.

The Hawks would be alot tougher to play against and Toews would finally have the wing he can rely on the same way he did with Hossa. Yes, Dubois is that good defensively and hits ppl.

Dubois/Toews/Kubi would be fun to watch just from a possession standpoint then have Cat/Strome/Kane as the sheltered offensive line. I could live with that on top of having two high draft picks in a draft filled with high end defenseman? Or the Swede goalie? Hmm

 

[HSBOB]

Mackinnion was 43% on FOs last year. He shouldn't play center either?

As for his fights, if you type his name into the youtube search bar, then after that type "fight" I'm sure his fights with Crosby, Macvoy, and Barzal will show up.

Mackinnion could use a little work on his career 45.8 FO% but his defense and playmaking ability make him a center.
Hockeyfights.com didn't show any but I'll take your word for it. I'm not advocating for or against DuBois,just discussing his all around game.

 

[HSBOB]

At this point there's no way I'd offer Koob. Koob has more goals, and about the same amount of points, a higher +/- on a team with a team defense that is an order of magnitude worse, is about 1.3M cheaper, and the only real downsides to Koob are that he's less of a setup man and he's arbitration eligible after all is said and done.

Further, aside from the Almighty Kane, who else do we have that's a finisher? He does Saad better than Saad at this point. Trading out Koob for Dubois would be robbing Peter to pay Paul, but trading something the 'hawks need (a finisher), for something that while we may need (faceoffs), does something we already have plenty of (Set-up guys).

I'd hate to see Dach go, but right now I think Koob's untouchable until he proves otherwise. El Gato I'd do in a heartbeat but I think that moving forward the choices should be who should the 'hawks keep around for the next gen, as opposed for making a Hjammer/Niemi "who would you rather have" scenario. The 'hawks likely aren't going anywhere for a few years so getting in Dubois over Koob doesn't do much--we're likley still going to get killed in the faceoff circle and likely still going to get killed on the scoreboard with only Kane and Koob the finishers of note (unless Debrincat rights his game).

D-Cat was on a glidepath to 50 before JC put him on a checking line with Carpenter and might reach that mark if he plays with Kane all year. Kubs won't have JT puttin' em on a platter this year so we'll see how that works.

 

[Raskolnikov]

D-Cat was on a glidepath to 50 before JC put him on a checking line with Carpenter and might reach that mark if he plays with Kane all year. Kubs won't have JT puttin' em on a platter this year so we'll see how that works.

Or Saad, who seemed to gel with him in a tandem twins style.

We might get lucky and find more than we thought with Suter and Wallmark, plus a natural lefty of Janmark's quality is nice. Those three fortify the top 9 considerably, its a shame to be down 2 C's before they even slide together.

They added 4 top 9's plus Pirri/Soderberg/Barrett and lost 3.

Depth was closer to that 25/26 mark they talk about, so at least they have prepared for this for at least 24 months.

 

[HSBOB]

Or Saad, who seemed to gel with him in a tandem twins style.

We might get lucky and find more than we thought with Suter and Wallmark, plus a natural lefty of Janmark's quality is nice. Those three fortify the top 9 considerably, its a shame to be down 2 C's before they even slide together.

They added 4 top 9's plus Pirri/Soderberg/Barrett and lost 3.

Depth was closer to that 25/26 mark they talk about, so at least they have prepared for this for at least 24 months.

The 176lbs of Swiss chees otherwise known as Pius Suter is yet to step on the small ice against players who outweigh him by 30lbs on average........I'll have to wait and see on the Lil' dude.
Janmark and the 178lb Wallmark had 17 goals between em last year......have to wait and see here too.
Soderberg is legit if he EVER get's here.......****** on the 'no-fly' list or what?
Any team higher than the AHL level with Pirri in their lineup has an INCREDABLY weak lineup.

"Fortified depth"? We'll have to wait and see on that too.

The Knighs pushed the Hawks around as much as they outplayed em last August ........the current rostered forwards show NONE who'll attempt to play in the league at it's average weight and six who'll attempt to play spotting 25lbs or more.
I'm sure Kane,D-Cat and Kubalik will continue to prosper as lightweights but there has to be a limit of how many little dudes a team can trot out there.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Man would I love to have a bonafide power forward on this team -- I've been waiting for this for what seems like ages. I actually thought we were close with Bell and Calder; recently I thought we were close with Saad and Bickell (and Buff, but I knew he'd be traded before Sharp, which was the right move).

I'd also give up Cat, Strome or Kubalik. Kubalik actually scares me, I'm not sure if he'll be able to produce now that the book is out on him this year -- I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but either way, I'd give him up too.

They sent your PF Barrett back to the Hogs. LOL...he could have gone to school for a Frozen Four shot so I have to think they are just seasoning and systeming him up for a few weeks. Expect Barrett back soon and to explore a PF with Kane roll vs Janmark after Cat/Strome round 3 fails like the first 2 times.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Cat-Strome-Kane can score, yes, but its much like an Ovechkin stat line, you aren't really sure if it helped you.

OK...and I'm being KIND because that WAS WITH CROW or Lehner standing on their heads.

First to Worst goaltending will change that formula, you can book that.

I guess they will get Keith/Murphy this time and we'll see if that does it. Its not the matchup we like because it allows a Kampf-Carp type pairing to just throttle us and turn other teams into top 6 2-way juggaurnauts.

They don't respect our depth when we play a top scoring line that small, imo. The just match us up defensively and load up on the rest.