Brandon Marshall on Teams Stuck In The 50's (and more)

[mecha]

I like how he literally referred to the McCaskeys organization as a mom and pop shop just like I do. and probably about 4 other people here. probably the most fascinating takeaway is he gave Trestman props for how he tried to organize the team and that his methods are widely adopted by the entire league now, but he was way ahead of his time trying to do it circa 2013/2014. (and I'm not referring to recycle bins) he also threw out how the culture changing between Lovie Smith and Trestman was significant, and Trestman's way wasn't bad, it was just the defense couldn't buy in with Smith gone. (another point I've hammered for many years here and Trestman's tenure's undoing)

the Marc Trestman podcast he mentions is here: The Leadership Gameplan Podcast | University of Miami School of Law (you apparently need Facebook/Google to hear all of it FYI). the hellstorm Ravens game gets a pretty epic mention. Marshall is my favorite Bears receiver, I'm glad he's doing well for himself after football.

 

[WestsideResider]

That’s pretty disheartening. Wish he would’ve went into more detail about other ways they’re stuck in the 50s.

 

[mecha]

he had a lot of positive words for them, really. particularly George. it's not just the Bears though, he called out the Giants too. I hope the wholesale changes they've been making in the front office and new coaching staff help.

 

[hebs]

Anyone remember how good our offense was under Trestman? Was it because of the Oline???

Or was it because it was the largest gathering of skilled players this team has ever seen??

Is Fields as good as Cutty? Or is he better?

I wouldn't be upset at all of the Bears went WR, TE, WR, OL, DL in this draft.

Along with finding a possible Robinson and Mustipher replacement during FA....

Having a top Oline is way more of a luxury, than having top skill players at their position.

But if anyone is bored... can you list out the teams that are successful with top tier Olines but no-name skill players vs the teams with middling to bottom Olines and numerous skill players. Feel free to include their regular season and post season stats.

 

[mecha]

Anyone remember how good our offense was under Trestman? Was it because of the Oline???

Or was it because it was the largest gathering of skilled players this team has ever seen??

Is Fields as good as Cutty? Or is he better?

I wouldn't be upset at all of the Bears went WR, TE, WR, OL, DL in this draft.

Along with finding a possible Robinson and Mustipher replacement during FA....

Having a top Oline is way more of a luxury, than having top skill players at their position.

But if anyone is bored... can you list out the teams that are successful with top tier Olines but no-name skill players vs the teams with middling to bottom Olines and numerous skill players. Feel free to include their regular season and post season stats.

Emery had that offense stacked top to bottom. it was grown men having sads about Lovie Smith getting fired combined with Mel Tucker's horrible defense that sunk that team. I still can't believe they axed Trestman after 2 seasons. even that jackoff Nagy got 4 for not even half the results with what he was supposed to actually be good at.

people may disagree, but I thought it was bullshit they cut Marshall for some kind of "culture issues", but then kept Bennett, who was infinitely a bigger shithead in my opinion. I guess it was Marshall's comments towards Cutler who they shelled out metric shit tons of money for... for reasoning I still don't understand. statistically best quarterback ever for the team? yeah. going 8-8 and losing yet another winnable game against the Packers (and refs) to be eliminated from the playoffs to get that payday? no.

 

[TheWinman]

Who doesn't refer to the bears as a mom and pop organization? Lol

I like how he literally referred to the McCaskeys organization as a mom and pop shop just like I do. and probably about 4 other people here. probably the most fascinating takeaway is he gave Trestman props for how he tried to organize the team and that his methods are widely adopted by the entire league now, but he was way ahead of his time trying to do it circa 2013/2014. (and I'm not referring to recycle bins) he also threw out how the culture changing between Lovie Smith and Trestman was significant, and Trestman's way wasn't bad, it was just the defense couldn't buy in with Smith gone. (another point I've hammered for many years here and Trestman's tenure's undoing)

the Marc Trestman podcast he mentions is here: The Leadership Gameplan Podcast | University of Miami School of Law (you apparently need Facebook/Google to hear all of it FYI). the hellstorm Ravens game gets a pretty epic mention. Marshall is my favorite Bears receiver, I'm glad he's doing well for himself after football.

 

[Penny Traitor]

it was grown men having sads about Lovie Smith getting fired combined with Mel Tucker's horrible defense that sunk that team.

Yet Mel Tucker was simply running Lovie's defense. I mostly blame Lance Briggs for being a total shithead after Lovie & Urlacher were gone and the defense seemed to follow his lead.

I thought it was bullshit they cut Marshall for some kind of "culture issues", but then kept Bennett, who was infinitely a bigger shithead in my opinion.

I mean Marshall was literally threatening to fight Lions fans via Twitter. I love B Marsh, but he never learned when to just STFU already. I don't see how Bennett was worse, but John Fox could not stand him...so maybe there was more going on in that locker room than I was aware of.

 

[TexasBearfan]

imagine had they just hired trestman as lovie's OC

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Anyone remember how good our offense was under Trestman? Was it because of the Oline???

Or was it because it was the largest gathering of skilled players this team has ever seen??

Is Fields as good as Cutty? Or is he better?

I wouldn't be upset at all of the Bears went WR, TE, WR, OL, DL in this draft.

Along with finding a possible Robinson and Mustipher replacement during FA....

Having a top Oline is way more of a luxury, than having top skill players at their position.

But if anyone is bored... can you list out the teams that are successful with top tier Olines but no-name skill players vs the teams with middling to bottom Olines and numerous skill players. Feel free to include their regular season and post season stats.

There is a difference between have a top-tier offensive line and a good offensive line.

A top tier offensive line has high draft picks in at least 3 of their positions. Think Dallas Cowboys.

A good offensive line has a line made up of all different round players who happen to play well together. Think Green Bay Packers.

A bad line is a line that has a mix of players who play poorly together. Most of their problems are with bad coaching. A good coach could turn an inexperienced offensive line into an effective offensive line, turn chicken shit into chicken, not the most exciting meal but it fills a need. Think of the Chicago Bears as that bad line. They had too much talent to be that bad. There had to be some O line coach who could train Daniels as an effective C, seeing that Daniels was the top center coming out his draft year. The Bears coaching was so bad that they ruined Daniels as a center.

Now that is brilliant!

Yes, the stars need to be at the skill positions.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Emery had that offense stacked top to bottom. it was grown men having sads about Lovie Smith getting fired combined with Mel Tucker's horrible defense that sunk that team. I still can't believe they axed Trestman after 2 seasons. even that jackoff Nagy got 4 for not even half the results with what he was supposed to actually be good at.

people may disagree, but I thought it was bullshit they cut Marshall for some kind of "culture issues", but then kept Bennett, who was infinitely a bigger shithead in my opinion. I guess it was Marshall's comments towards Cutler who they shelled out metric shit tons of money for... for reasoning I still don't understand. statistically best quarterback ever for the team? yeah. going 8-8 and losing yet another winnable game against the Packers (and refs) to be eliminated from the playoffs to get that payday? no.

I feel like I've recently read/heard that Tucker was forced to adopt Lovie's defense. One that he had never coached or called before. So I don't know if I necessarily look back and fault him.

 

[stelz]

That whole locker room was lost in Trestman' second year. Everyone had stopped trying, especially Cutler. Lance Briggs should have been a leader of the team and set a terrible example, such as missing practice to open his restaurant. Brandon Marshall was going back and forth to NYC to do inside the NFL. Neither of those things should have been allowed. Trestman made them do things like holding hands for photographs that they didn't want to do, contributing to losing the players. Rotating captains was another. The "C" on the jersey should mean something more than a participation ribbon.

That defense was absurd, just rolling over in the first quarter of games that second year, as in down four TD's to Green Bay at the end of the half. And who could forget the final play of the first year, fourth down at midfield and you give up a wide open bomb for a TD to miss the playoffs. Was surprised that Mel Tucker ever found coordinator level jobs in football again, let alone making 90 million dollars to HC Michigan State.

The whole thing was such a mess, rock fucking bottom...but it was surprising, shocking really that they cleaned house the way they did after that second season. Didn't Emery and Trestman both have two years left on their deals? Hooray for Mom and Pop....

 

[Bust]

Like the Bengals were? Just 2 seasons ago they were a 2 win team. Then Burrow happened ...

Can Justin end the curse of Ohio State and Bears historically inept QB play??? hmmmmmm

 

[Mdbearz]

There is a difference between have a top-tier offensive line and a good offensive line.

A top tier offensive line has high draft picks in at least 3 of their positions. Think Dallas Cowboys.

A good offensive line has a line made up of all different round players who happen to play well together. Think Green Bay Packers.

A bad line is a line that has a mix of players who play poorly together. Most of their problems are with bad coaching. A good coach could turn an inexperienced offensive line into an effective offensive line, turn chicken shit into chicken, not the most exciting meal but it fills a need. Think of the Chicago Bears as that bad line. They had too much talent to be that bad. There had to be some O line coach who could train Daniels as an effective C, seeing that Daniels was the top center coming out his draft year. The Bears coaching was so bad that they ruined Daniels as a center.

Now that is brilliant!

Yes, the stars need to be at the skill positions.

Do you think that the O-line of Borom-Whitehair-Daniels-Bars-Jenkins could be any good?

While I do not completely disagree with you about Daniels, he had an opportunity to play Center and did not fare so well, while, his time at RG has been fairly successful.

I hope they approach the draft and Free agency as if Center is a priority, because Mustipher is smart, but simple not able to hold up against strong DTs or NTs.

I'm just not sure there is enough good tape on Daniels at center to have the approach that he will be competing at that position come training camp, and the reality is until they sign him, he might not be playing for the Bears at all....then we have even more holes to fill, because I think he is a starting Guard and backup Center

 

[Penny Traitor]

I feel like I've recently read/heard that Tucker was forced to adopt Lovie's defense. One that he had never coached or called before. So I don't know if I necessarily look back and fault him.

Yep.

Phil Emery's grand plan was to fire Lovie, but somehow retain all his coaches and staff...particularly keeping Rod Marinelli at defensive coordinator. That way he could keep the defense intact and work on the offense.

When Marinelli and most of Lovie's crew walked, Emery himself scrambled to find someone willing to coach Lovie's defense. Tucker had just been canned in Jacksonville and probably was not getting a lot of other offers, so he became that guy.

Then came the whole "take it or leave it" deal with Brian Urlacher, which Lance Briggs took very poorly and led the way of playing like disinterested dogshit for the new coaches.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Do you think that the O-line of Borom-Whitehair-Daniels-Bars-Jenkins could be any good?

While I do not completely disagree with you about Daniels, he had an opportunity to play Center and did not fare so well, while, his time at RG has been fairly successful.

I hope they approach the draft and Free agency as if Center is a priority, because Mustipher is smart, but simple not able to hold up against strong DTs or NTs.

I'm just not sure there is enough good tape on Daniels at center to have the approach that he will be competing at that position come training camp, and the reality is until they sign him, he might not be playing for the Bears at all....then we have even more holes to fill, because I think he is a starting Guard and backup Center

Yes, I do believe that the above group could be effective even without any 1st round picks, with proper coaching.

Daniels was a good center in college. What happened? Bears coaching happened.

If Daniels comes back, either Barr or the center position needs to be addressed. The Bears do not have the cap space to get a whole bunch of top tier offensive linemen. Once we start dealing with expensive lesser tier o linemen, are they really an upgrade over what we have?

Sadly, 2022 is going to have to be a year where coaching is going to be more important than free agency because of the cap.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Yep.

Phil Emery's grand plan was to fire Lovie, but somehow retain all his coaches and staff...particularly keeping Rod Marinelli at defensive coordinator. That way he could keep the defense intact and work on the offense.

When Marinelli and most of Lovie's crew walked, Emery himself scrambled to find someone willing to coach Lovie's defense. Tucker had just been canned in Jacksonville and probably was not getting a lot of other offers, so he became that guy.

Then came the whole "take it or leave it" deal with Brian Urlacher, which Lance Briggs took very poorly and led the way of playing like disinterested dogshit for the new coaches.

Which is also why I take much of what Lance says with a grain of salt.

I feel like Alex Brown was gone before then, so he's a-ok in my book. I'm still unsure of what I think of Olin.

 

[94SupraTT]

I feel like I've recently read/heard that Tucker was forced to adopt Lovie's defense. One that he had never coached or called before. So I don't know if I necessarily look back and fault him.

Mel Tucker has been a horrid DC in the NFL. His failure is totally on him.

26th, 23rd, 28th, 6th, 30th, 30th, 30th. The one fluke year was in Jacksonville when he took over as HC. I assume someone else took over as DC.

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[stelz]

Yes, I do believe that the above group could be effective even without any 1st round picks, with proper coaching.

Daniels was a good center in college. What happened? Bears coaching happened.

If Daniels comes back, either Barr or the center position needs to be addressed. The Bears do not have the cap space to get a whole bunch of top tier offensive linemen. Once we start dealing with expensive lesser tier o linemen, are they really an upgrade over what we have?

Sadly, 2022 is going to have to be a year where coaching is going to be more important than free agency because of the cap.

Yes. No more kicking the can down the road. Take the hit for Pace’s mess in 2022. Spend FA dollars on top OL talent, even if it’s only one guy. No more shopping at the bargain basement OL store. And find an OL coach who knows what he is doing. Use your second round pick on OL, CB or now mike linebacker is a need.

At the end of 2022, we’ll know what we have, what we need, and we’ll have have all our draft picks and cap space.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Mel Tucker has been a horrid DC in the NFL. His failure is totally on him.

26th, 23rd, 28th, 6th, 30th, 30th, 30th. The one fluke year was in Jacksonville when he took over as HC. I assume someone else took over as DC.

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Ahh, Jacksonville. Surely we'll never be able to find a better model of consistency in the NFL.

 

[Marley's Liberality]

The items he uses for why the Mc Caskeys are stuck in the 50s are the same attention to detail items people would use to show why Belichek is great