Build the team like the Ravens or the Eagles?

[JP Hochbaum]

I have been intrigued by how both of these teams have approached team building.

Eagles: They appear to be spending draft and free agent resources on players who are nearest the ball the most: WR, OLine, Dline, Corners.

Ravens: They appear to put their resources towards Oline, Dline, Secondary, and instead of WR they spend on Tight end.

Both are allocating resources towards players near the ball the most.

The Ravens are obviously favoring a more run heavy offense, where the Eagles are putting more into their passing offense. I think the Ravens transitioned away from a WR oriented pass game because Lamar just wasn't targeting them enough to warrant resources being used there. Hurts, however, is spreading the ball around quite well, and so the resources for WR are warranted there.

The Eagles are also not spending on the linebacker position, where the Ravens seem to allocate money there with the savings they have from not spending on wide receiver.

The big question will be what will the Eagles shift to once Hurts needs to get paid? I tend to think they will allocate less money at WR, similar to what the Chiefs have done. And it appears the Ravens also had to abandon spending at WR because Lamar is already earning 23 million from his 5th year option, and they had to cut spending at WR to make this happen.

I am obviously intrigued by this team building approach because it will effect how Poles thinks of the next two years before Justin hits his 5th year option, or gets extended. I tend to think he will spend the next two years investing at WR, in a way that he can get out of it in Justin's 5th year, kind of what the Ravens and Chiefs did.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I have been intrigued by how both of these teams have approached team building.

Eagles: They appear to be spending draft and free agent resources on players who are nearest the ball the most: WR, OLine, Dline, Corners.

Ravens: They appear to put their resources towards Oline, Dline, Secondary, and instead of WR they spend on Tight end.

Both are allocating resources towards players near the ball the most.

The Ravens are obviously favoring a more run heavy offense, where the Eagles are putting more into their passing offense. I think the Ravens transitioned away from a WR oriented pass game because Lamar just wasn't targeting them enough to warrant resources being used there. Hurts, however, is spreading the ball around quite well, and so the resources for WR are warranted there.

The Eagles are also not spending on the linebacker position, where the Ravens seem to allocate money there with the savings they have from not spending on wide receiver.

The big question will be what will the Eagles shift to once Hurts needs to get paid? I tend to think they will allocate less money at WR, similar to what the Chiefs have done. And it appears the Ravens also had to abandon spending at WR because Lamar is already earning 23 million from his 5th year option, and they had to cut spending at WR to make this happen.

I am obviously intrigued by this team building approach because it will effect how Poles thinks of the next two years before Justin hits his 5th year option, or gets extended. I tend to think he will spend the next two years investing at WR, in a way that he can get out of it in Justin's 5th year, kind of what the Ravens and Chiefs did.

111 views and no replies, I think you missed the mark somehow even putting a fair amount of work into the logic.

 

[HeHateMe]

111 views and no replies, I think you missed the mark somehow even putting a fair amount of work into the logic.

wut

 

[JP Hochbaum]

111 views and no replies, I think you missed the mark somehow even putting a fair amount of work into the logic.

Well it had me thinking this morning. Home sick from work and bored, lol. But I see a 2 year window for the Bears to build like the Eagles before they have to switch to be built like the Chiefs and Ravens, who let go stud receivers to keep their QB.

 

[rawdawg]

Both teams are good up front. Do that.

But more importantly, both teams are good. Do that. There's a reason teams want to model the Ravens, Eagles, 49ers, and Chiefs. It's because they're good. They are all drastically different, but they are all pretty strong on the lines. Chiefs weren't good on the OL in the playoffs a couple years ago, they did everything to make sure they were going forward with heavy investments.

 

[mecha]

111 views and no replies, I think you missed the mark somehow even putting a fair amount of work into the logic.

hey man, Canada's assaulting the country with extreme weather. people are probably making preparations to not freeze and die.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I have been intrigued by how both of these teams have approached team building.

Eagles: They appear to be spending draft and free agent resources on players who are nearest the ball the most: WR, OLine, Dline, Corners.

Ravens: They appear to put their resources towards Oline, Dline, Secondary, and instead of WR they spend on Tight end.

Both are allocating resources towards players near the ball the most.

The Ravens are obviously favoring a more run heavy offense, where the Eagles are putting more into their passing offense. I think the Ravens transitioned away from a WR oriented pass game because Lamar just wasn't targeting them enough to warrant resources being used there. Hurts, however, is spreading the ball around quite well, and so the resources for WR are warranted there.

The Eagles are also not spending on the linebacker position, where the Ravens seem to allocate money there with the savings they have from not spending on wide receiver.

The big question will be what will the Eagles shift to once Hurts needs to get paid? I tend to think they will allocate less money at WR, similar to what the Chiefs have done. And it appears the Ravens also had to abandon spending at WR because Lamar is already earning 23 million from his 5th year option, and they had to cut spending at WR to make this happen.

I am obviously intrigued by this team building approach because it will effect how Poles thinks of the next two years before Justin hits his 5th year option, or gets extended. I tend to think he will spend the next two years investing at WR, in a way that he can get out of it in Justin's 5th year, kind of what the Ravens and Chiefs did.

DAMN'T.

I had to double check the time codes and it seems my post in the Roquan thread came after this thread. I swear to you that I did not read this thread prior to making my post in that thread.

All of that said: I prefer the Eagles approach as with Getsy calling plays I think great WR play will be important. I also don't think you can ever discount the trust that goes into the trust of having a #1 WR that can go up and get it.

 

[MDB111™]

I like the Eagles approach. Might mean the Bears have to donk off a number one pick or three for Justin Jefferson!

 

[JP Hochbaum]

DAMN'T.

I had to double check the time codes and it seems my post in the Roquan thread came after this thread. I swear to you that I did not read this thread prior to making my post in that thread.

All of that said: I prefer the Eagles approach as with Getsy calling plays I think great WR play will be important. I also don't think you can ever discount the trust that goes into the trust of having a #1 WR that can go up and get it.

Yeah I thought the same thing when I saw your comment, lol. I was sitting on this most of the week trying to get a good discussion about this going.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Yeah I thought the same thing when I saw your comment, lol. I was sitting on this most of the week trying to get a good discussion about this going.

I think it's a fun discussion, because I find team building - in all sports - to be more fascinating than the actual play on the field (which is more exciting).

 

[Speed]

I like the Eagles approach better on paper. In practice I feel the Ravens approach might be better due to the sucky weather off of the Lake. At least until they build Halas World in Arlington.

Trade back from #2 this year, get some sucky team's draft pick. Be in the Marvin Harrison JR and Brock Bowers sweepstakes next year.

 

[The Hawk]

Both teams are good up front. Do that.

But more importantly, both teams are good. Do that. There's a reason teams want to model the Ravens, Eagles, 49ers, and Chiefs. It's because they're good. They are all drastically different, but they are all pretty strong on the lines. Chiefs weren't good on the OL in the playoffs a couple years ago, they did everything to make sure they were going forward with heavy investments.

I think that the model of the Bear's should be the Chiefs model which is really based on building an offense around the best quarterback in a generation in Mahomes. A generational quarterback allows a team to win games on off days in other aspects of the game. The true GREAT quarterbacks had that and Fields WILL BE A GREAT QUARTERACK.

 

[The Hawk]

I think that the model of the Bear's should be the Chiefs model which is really based on building an offense around the best quarterback in a generation in Mahomes. A generational quarterback allows a team to win games on off days in other aspects of the game. The true GREAT quarterbacks had that and Fields WILL BE A GREAT QUARTERACK.

 

[gallagher]

The model that matters is OL. Get your QB a line that gives him time to execute whatever traits make them successful.

Thing is, Fields is showing that he can be successful playing a wildly different way than he did in college. So I think that, given his mobility, this team needs to get weapons that move around the offense and offer a lot as playmakers in space. Fields will pull attention away from LBs and Safeties just by being a threat, so a home run hitter that you can scheme open would be so nice to have.

If Claypool and Harry stick around, we have plenty of guys that can high point the ball. Mooney has good agility and can burn a guy one on one, but I am already over Jones. I think that if this team trades down and picks up Robinson in the first round, that we will have a weapon that makes plays in space and punishes a team for focusing too much on Fields.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Acquire and keep as much talent as you can in as many positions as you can. View 2-deep at every role as a starter.

Win the battle of attrition by all means at all costs. This is the most war and work like aspect of football. Protect your defense with offense. Limit snaps by running clock and possession. Rotate players even more if not in super bowl mode. Rotate guys whenever possible to get through season. Rest long term stars for stretches of season until necessary. Doctors must collaborate.
Exploit compensatory draft at every angle. (Trades/contract synergy/buy-sell specific off-seasons)

I think you will see the Eagle and Ravens snd 49ers leading categories of compensatory draft picks because having 12 picks per year leads to better teams as the largest single FUCKING FACTOR MORE THAN EVEN QBs and COACHES AND THEMzoTHER **** BeARs are too stupid to recognize this one fucking simple fact that will forever prevent them from competing.

 

[Raskolnikov]

There, I did your fucking homework for you and figured out the formula.

If you aren’t angling at compensatory picks just sell the team to Arlington and get the **** out,

 

[Raskolnikov]

Imagine debating strategies behind Halas doors and all the wind bag meetings and inspirational talks are for not because they are too stupid to consider that more picks will make a better football team over time.

That you will have more non busts. That you will have more players to trade. That you will have less positions neglected in the draft, that you will have better draft flexibility to trade up and down, that you will have more high quality competition, and in time more players to let go for more compensatory picks in the single most important cycle we could be a part of.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Well it had me thinking this morning. Home sick from work and bored, lol. But I see a 2 year window for the Bears to build like the Eagles before they have to switch to be built like the Chiefs and Ravens, who let go stud receivers to keep their QB.

Marquise Brown is decent but he’s no stud. He became a problem in the locker room about targets so that’s the main reason they shipped him out

 

[Raskolnikov]

We are that fucking stupid!!!

So until you see the bears start maneuvering to acquire comp picks just give up and don’t bother understanding team building.

 

[vabearsfan15]

Interesting thought exercise. Though
I'm not sure we have to follow either team to a
T, I'd think we would lean more towards the Ravens script.

The Bears already have the #1 rushing offense. And while alot of that has to do with Fields, Getsy's run scheme has plenty to do with it as well. So, to me, as long as Getsy is here I don't see us getting away from the run. Would be nice to get a top paid WR prospect, but I think the staff would prioritize a TE that could be as great of a blocker than a receiver.

I also think Flus is more traditional and has a conservative approach. Control the clock. Limit possessions. Play hard nosed football. Lean on the defense type of guy. Head Coach's tend to take care of their side of the ball. So I see us spending more there. But the trenches will be key on both sides of the ball.