Bulls and Noah agree to 5/60 Extension

[Lefty]

The LT line this year is at roughly $70 million, assuming that next year's LT line is approximately the same, the Bulls could very-well be in the tax after this year. They're at $52 million in salary now, and figure $10-12 million first year for Noah, and the team is looking at a $62-64 million cap figure for next season, still needing to fill Thomas' spot on the roster and perhaps filling Bogans' spot should he not be picked up. Two average-salaried players puts them well into the LT, and even one average-salary and one minimum-vet deal puts them right up against it, if not over it.

 

[TheStig]

The LT line this year is at roughly $70 million, assuming that next year's LT line is approximately the same, the Bulls could very-well be in the tax after this year. They're at $52 million in salary now, and figure $10-12 million first year for Noah, and the team is looking at a $62-64 million cap figure for next season, still needing to fill Thomas' spot on the roster and perhaps filling Bogans' spot should he not be picked up. Two average-salaried players puts them well into the LT, and even one average-salary and one minimum-vet deal puts them right up against it, if not over it.

The bulls can't add to average size salaries. They will only have one MLE slot. So the max they can do without trades is gonna be right under the LT. After Noah they will have 62 mill and ten slots. One MLE at roughly 5.5mill and one lle at right under 2 mill and first at around a mill would put them right at it and I don't see us using both the full mle and lle. Trust me, JJ would sacrifice the lle for avoiding the LT.

 

[pinkizdead]

i really really really really hope we go into LT. it's been soo long since we spent serious dough. It'd be nice to be committed to winning.

 

[Lefty]

The bulls can't add to average size salaries. They will only have one MLE slot. So the max they can do without trades is gonna be right under the LT. After Noah they will have 62 mill and ten slots. One MLE at roughly 5.5mill and one lle at right under 2 mill and first at around a mill would put them right at it and I don't see us using both the full mle and lle. Trust me, JJ would sacrifice the lle for avoiding the LT.

Right, but this has all been assuming the cap/LT line at least stay stagnant. We've seen in the last two years the cap go down more than it has gone up (and I can't speak on the CBA stuff too much, and like I said in other threads it would be erroneous to plan for some virtually complete unknown), so it's a safe bet that the Bulls will likely be at least right up against the LT.

i really really really really hope we go into LT. it's been soo long since we spent serious dough. It'd be nice to be committed to winning.

But my point is this: as a team, you don't go into the LT with Luol Deng and Joakim Noah (both contracts of your own doing) contributing $20-25 million towards that figure. That's a questionable allocation of finite resources.

 

[pinkizdead]

noah hasn't even played yet. you cant question if he's worth the contract. all big men make roughly the same salary as noah. Can you really argue he's not worth it. (sadly i know the answer).

i think we we have to at least wait for them to paly before we say we can't go into LT. Furthermore, you'd have to blame boozer for this too. Boozer is significantly overpaid, but, all free agents are overpaid.

 

[FirstTimer]

noah hasn't even played yet. you cant question if he's worth the contract.

Odd..
I thought he has played for three seasons...

How can you argue he is worth it if he "hasn't played"?

Boozer is significantly overpaid, but, all free agents are overpaid.

In relation to the market Boozer isn't overpaid.

Plus how can you say Boozer is overpaid? He hasn't even played yet?!?!?


:crazydance:

Your post is full of logic fail.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

My opinion is this: really stupid decision by the Bulls. They should have waited through Noah's restricted free-agency period (by simply just matching the highest offer), and until the details of the new CBA were brought to light before giving him this pricey deal.

 

[FedEx227]

In relation to the market Boozer isn't overpaid.

Plus how can you say Boozer is overpaid? He hasn't even played yet?!?!?


:crazydance:

Your post is full of logic fail.

Me thinks it's classic "ALL DESE ATHLETES MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!"

 

[pinkizdead]

Odd..
I thought he has played for three seasons...

How can you argue he is worth it if he "hasn't played"?





In relation to the market Boozer isn't overpaid.

Plus how can you say Boozer is overpaid? He hasn't even played yet?!?!?


:crazydance:

Your post is full of logic fail.

My point was that we should wait and see to evaluate his contract. There are soo many changes to the bulls, that you can't really evaluate his 1 year of high level production to ascertain if the contract is FMV.

he played ilke crap for 2 season, and he played his ass off last season. He's coming into this new contract with a defined position, help from a good pf, and a real coach. When i said he hasn't played yet, i meant you haven't even seen what he can do in this new bulls scheme to ascertain if he's worth the contract. Frankly, i think 5 years 12 million isn't a terrible deal. under the current cba, it's a good/decent deal. Plus noah might have brought something new to the table after this off season. There was certainly an explosion of growth last season.

My other point was, if you are going to criticize the bulls for signing noah to this deal, criticize them for signing boozer too.
Noah's contract MIGHT be a terrible deal under the new cba, but boozer is going to be just as(if not more) a terrible deal.

 

[pinkizdead]

My opinion is this: really stupid decision by the Bulls. They should have waited through Noah's restricted free-agency period (by simply just matching the highest offer), and until the details of the new CBA were brought to light before giving him this pricey deal.

at least we aren't the grizzlies.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

at least we aren't the grizzlies.

Very true. Rudy ***'s contract is one of the most ludacris things I've ever seen/heard about.

 

[FirstTimer]

My other point was, if you are going to criticize the bulls for signing noah to this deal, criticize them for signing boozer too.

Then you are basically saying we either can't comment on the contract at all or have to hate both....

Dumb.

 

[sicko]

GREAT NEW!!! Although I wanted to do the Melo Deal...and still do! I am also OK with Noah staying with this team long term, excellent rebounder, plays tough defense and never backs down and his offense has improved EVERY YEAR even added a little jump shot, something I thought would NEVER HAPPEN with that ugly release, also no big man in the NBA runs the floor better then Noah, Noah moves like a SF so he is the perfect fit big man to go with Rose style

 

[Lefty]

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[TheStig]

Right, but this has all been assuming the cap/LT line at least stay stagnant. We've seen in the last two years the cap go down more than it has gone up (and I can't speak on the CBA stuff too much, and like I said in other threads it would be erroneous to plan for some virtually complete unknown), so it's a safe bet that the Bulls will likely be at least right up against the LT.
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I don't think there will be a drastic change in the current system. The league is still profitable. I'd bet the salary structure changes more than the actual salaries. Slightly lower salaries and less guaranteed years are my guess.

 

[waldo7239117]

Very true. Rudy ***'s contract is one of the most ludacris things I've ever seen/heard about.

You can probably say that about JJ too.

 

[TheStig]

You can probably say that about JJ too.

JJ's is much worse. ***'s is 40 million less and he will be in his prime. JJ is going to be the worst contract in the league in about 2-3 yrs.

 

[Scoot26]

JJ's is much worse. ***'s is 40 million less and he will be in his prime. JJ is going to be the worst contract in the league in about 2-3 yrs.

You know...there's too many "JJ's" in this league.

But Joe Johnson's contract is going easily be the worst in the league..Especially down the road...I think I read somewhere that Atlanta's owners rationalized the deal by saying they wouldnt be paying it because they plan to sell the team in a few seasons and a new owner would be paying the back end of that deal...Nice guys...

 

[Capt. Serious]

Boozer is injury prone so he has a point.

No need to jump down his throat because he said the "facts".

I know it's tough for the internet GM's here to realize that.

 

[waldo7239117]

You know...there's too many "JJ's" in this league.

But Joe Johnson's contract is going easily be the worst in the league..Especially down the road...I think I read somewhere that Atlanta's owners rationalized the deal by saying they wouldnt be paying it because they plan to sell the team in a few seasons and a new owner would be paying the back end of that deal...Nice guys...

I knew you guys would know what I means. That's what I was saying, JJ jas to be the worse.

Your right there a lot of JJ's: Joe Smith, Joe Johnson, James Johnson.