Bulls Name Gar Forman GM

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Dpauley23 wrote:

How is that lowball offer? If they gave him that offer they would basically be paying him 16 million for this year. I don't think people realize that you could probably give this guy offer at 9 million, but his 2009 salary would have to be low

I'm not following how it would be paying him like 16 million. It would be $8 million a year. Less than $5 million after agent fees and taxes.

Compare the first three years of an $8 million a year deal and a 3 year MLE offer using the estimated salary cap (which from what I heard, should end up being higher than the estimate, thus making the MLE higher.)

Year 1: Bulls - $6.34 MLE - $5.87
Year 2: Bulls - $7.00 MLE - $6.34
Year 3: Bulls - $7.67 MLE - $6.81
Total: Bulls - $21.01 MLE - $19.02

The Bulls offer isn't that much. He could probably make up that much just by getting in a T-Mobile commercial with D-Wade.

And then when you incorporate taxes, it becomes less.

Now say using a 7% state tax for road games for both teams (not going to go through and calculate that, but I'm pretty sure that's around the average, you get.

After Taxes (for Miami):

Bulls - $12.61
MLE - $11.70

Now incorporate agent fee (using the largets allowed in the NBA of 4%)

Now:

Bulls - $12.10
MLE - $11.23

So in the end, it comes down to $870,000 difference among the first three years of an $8 million a year deal from the Bulls, and a 3 year MLE deal. Again, if Gordon gets in a T-Mobile commercial (say they do a commercial concept where Chuck gets bounced out of Wade's Fav 5 for Gordon), that money is probably already made up.

And even if he doesn't get an additional endorsement, is 870k really an amount that is going to keep him in Chicago, when future earnings after the third year would be much greater in a place like Miami?

 

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TheStig wrote:

Fred wrote:

The new titles (for Gar Forman) reflect a shift that had already taken place over the past year, with Forman assuming more day-to-day responsibilities. That included the lead role in contract negotiations with Luol Deng and Ben Gordon and input in the coaching search last summer.- Associated Press

If this is true, and he took the lead in those negotitions, then so far, this he's already been a disaster. Reinsdorf probably deserves most of the blame, but if I ever find out that Gar Forman was the jerk responsible for pulling that Gordon contract off the table when Ben wanted to sign (with per year average less than Hinrich and Deng), then he's going to have to do an awful lot to impress me. If he's primarily responsible to signing Deng to that overpriced contract, then that's mistake #2. And if his "input" was "hire Vinny", then we're in big trouble.

Really Fred? You think that Gar walked up, didn't ask anyone else and started making these choices himself? You don't remember Pax and JR interviewing coaches or JR talking to our rfas either. He is a contributor but he doesn't have more pull than JR or Pax.

I think he had more pull than Pax. My understanding is that they pretty much pulled Paxson from the Gordon negotiations because he is too good of friends with Gordon.

 

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TheStig wrote:

Fred wrote:

The new titles (for Gar Forman) reflect a shift that had already taken place over the past year, with Forman assuming more day-to-day responsibilities. That included the lead role in contract negotiations with Luol Deng and Ben Gordon and input in the coaching search last summer.- Associated Press

If this is true, and he took the lead in those negotitions, then so far, this he's already been a disaster. Reinsdorf probably deserves most of the blame, but if I ever find out that Gar Forman was the jerk responsible for pulling that Gordon contract off the table when Ben wanted to sign (with per year average less than Hinrich and Deng), then he's going to have to do an awful lot to impress me. If he's primarily responsible to signing Deng to that overpriced contract, then that's mistake #2. And if his "input" was "hire Vinny", then we're in big trouble.

Really Fred? You think that Gar walked up, didn't ask anyone else and started making these choices himself? You don't remember Pax and JR interviewing coaches or JR talking to our rfas either. He is a contributor but he doesn't have more pull than JR or Pax.

I think he had more pull than Pax. My understanding is that they pretty much pulled Paxson from the Gordon negotiations because he is too good of friends with Gordon.

How did you come to that understanding?

 

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TheStig wrote:

Fred wrote:

The new titles (for Gar Forman) reflect a shift that had already taken place over the past year, with Forman assuming more day-to-day responsibilities. That included the lead role in contract negotiations with Luol Deng and Ben Gordon and input in the coaching search last summer.- Associated Press

If this is true, and he took the lead in those negotitions, then so far, this he's already been a disaster. Reinsdorf probably deserves most of the blame, but if I ever find out that Gar Forman was the jerk responsible for pulling that Gordon contract off the table when Ben wanted to sign (with per year average less than Hinrich and Deng), then he's going to have to do an awful lot to impress me. If he's primarily responsible to signing Deng to that overpriced contract, then that's mistake #2. And if his "input" was "hire Vinny", then we're in big trouble.

Really Fred? You think that Gar walked up, didn't ask anyone else and started making these choices himself? You don't remember Pax and JR interviewing coaches or JR talking to our rfas either. He is a contributor but he doesn't have more pull than JR or Pax.

From what I heard from a decent source, Paxson had very little to do with the Deng contract negotiations last summer. Reinsdorf basically told him to sit that one out, and he and Gar handled it personally. I'm not 100 percent sure it's true, but I've seen nothing in the press to make me think that assertation is wrong.

As far as the coaching search, I was fine with Pax's first 2 choices. I don't know how much input Gar had, but Pax didn't need his input with Collins.

 

[Fred]

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I think he had more pull than Pax. My understanding is that they pretty much pulled Paxson from the Gordon negotiations because he is too good of friends with Gordon.

I can't remember where I heard it (it might have been on a Bulls Beat), but someone told me Gordon likes Pax, but he's not a fan of Reinsdorf. Andrew's statement here would back that up.

 

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I have no doubt that Gordon and Paxson like each other. But it seems a big reach that JR would pull Paxson out of negotiations because they are good friends.

I remember Paxson mid season talking about how difficult it is to deal with some particular agents. Obviously he was talking about Raymond Brothers. That means Paxson and Brothers were dealing with each other.

 

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TheStig wrote:

Fred wrote:

The new titles (for Gar Forman) reflect a shift that had already taken place over the past year, with Forman assuming more day-to-day responsibilities. That included the lead role in contract negotiations with Luol Deng and Ben Gordon and input in the coaching search last summer.- Associated Press

If this is true, and he took the lead in those negotitions, then so far, this he's already been a disaster. Reinsdorf probably deserves most of the blame, but if I ever find out that Gar Forman was the jerk responsible for pulling that Gordon contract off the table when Ben wanted to sign (with per year average less than Hinrich and Deng), then he's going to have to do an awful lot to impress me. If he's primarily responsible to signing Deng to that overpriced contract, then that's mistake #2. And if his "input" was "hire Vinny", then we're in big trouble.

Really Fred? You think that Gar walked up, didn't ask anyone else and started making these choices himself? You don't remember Pax and JR interviewing coaches or JR talking to our rfas either. He is a contributor but he doesn't have more pull than JR or Pax.

I think he had more pull than Pax. My understanding is that they pretty much pulled Paxson from the Gordon negotiations because he is too good of friends with Gordon.

Maybe in that particular aspect but Gar certainly didn't have more pull than JR. My point isn't how they delegate duties, its that JR and Pax are higher up the food chain. I don't view Gar's promotion as a demotion for Pax. Worst case, they are equals now. It is still JR's final call anyway, not Gar's. We don't have a hands off owner.

 

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Fred wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Fred wrote:

The new titles (for Gar Forman) reflect a shift that had already taken place over the past year, with Forman assuming more day-to-day responsibilities. That included the lead role in contract negotiations with Luol Deng and Ben Gordon and input in the coaching search last summer.- Associated Press

If this is true, and he took the lead in those negotitions, then so far, this he's already been a disaster. Reinsdorf probably deserves most of the blame, but if I ever find out that Gar Forman was the jerk responsible for pulling that Gordon contract off the table when Ben wanted to sign (with per year average less than Hinrich and Deng), then he's going to have to do an awful lot to impress me. If he's primarily responsible to signing Deng to that overpriced contract, then that's mistake #2. And if his "input" was "hire Vinny", then we're in big trouble.

Really Fred? You think that Gar walked up, didn't ask anyone else and started making these choices himself? You don't remember Pax and JR interviewing coaches or JR talking to our rfas either. He is a contributor but he doesn't have more pull than JR or Pax.

From what I heard from a decent source, Paxson had very little to do with the Deng contract negotiations last summer. Reinsdorf basically told him to sit that one out, and he and Gar handled it personally. I'm not 100 percent sure it's true, but I've seen nothing in the press to make me think that assertation is wrong.

As far as the coaching search, I was fine with Pax's first 2 choices. I don't know how much input Gar had, but Pax didn't need his input with Collins.

I'm not trying to argue that, I am sure Pax wanted to resign Deng anyway. Its not who does the leg work but who makes the calls. I really don't view Pax as Gar's subordinate, do you?

 

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We'll have to watch the offseason and next season up to the trade deadline probably before we have a clear picture who's calling the shots, Gar or Pax. I hope it's still Pax, he's got a track record, Gar is an enigma.

 

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Paxson had very little to do with the Deng contract negotiations last summer. Reinsdorf basically told him to sit that one out, and he and Gar handled it personally.

I believe there was an article which had JR stated that too.

 

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Paxson interview with Swirsky

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/paxson_090521.mp3

-One person is not enough for the job, Gar is well equipped to handle the duties, etc.
-Said he is pleased with how the team played in the 2nd half.
-Is happy with Noah's progression
-Expects Deng to be healthy and have a much better season
-Likes where there at right now, good position with 2 picks
-Will jump on an opportunity if the right guy is available