Bulls sign Redick to offer sheet

[Kush77]

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chi...-redick-to-3-year-20-million-offer-sheet.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5368470

3 years 20 million. Can't see the Magic matching that.

It's a lot, but the Bulls need some shooting, and they could end up with plenty of it.

Good to see the Bulls not sitting on the money.

 

[Shakes]

As I said in the SG thread, not sold on this one. I was for taking a bit more of a gamble on a guy who might have a bit more potential. Also there are reports the Magic will match.

Still I think JJ is an OK player, he's obviously a very good shooter and he's not that bad of a defender, he'll at least give an effort. So not my favourite move but I can live with it.

 

[??? ??????]

Redick > Hinrich imo. He's a good defender too. I like how the Bulls are constructing themselves, although the team probably still lacks the talent to win.

 

[Shakes]

Yeah Redick is probably better than Hinrich at this point. Neither can make a layup, but Redick can at least shoot.

Still given the way SVG has talked about Redick he's considered part of their team going forward and I think they'll match. Pietrus might become available if they need to cut salary I guess.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Wow...Redick is better than Hinrich? I'll be damned...

 

[houheffna]

No he isn't, that is very erroneous thinking. Hinrich can do more on the basketball court than Korver or Redick can.

 

[Shakes]

44/40/86 vs 41/37/75 while scoring at a much better rate. The defense is in Kirk's favor, but I don't think by enough to make up the difference, Redick is a decent defender.

Obviously Kirk is a better point guard, but we're after a shooting guard here, so I'm only considering that part of his skill set.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Shakes wrote:

44/40/86 vs 41/37/75 while scoring at a much better rate. The defense is in Kirk's favor, but I don't think by enough to make up the difference, Redick is a decent defender.

Obviously Kirk is a better point guard, but we're after a shooting guard here, so I'm only considering that part of his skill set.

If Redick does half as good as Kirk does when guarding guys like Wade and even Paul Pierce, I'll admit that. I'd say Kirk's defense far exceeds Redick's, even if he's a good defender.

 

[houheffna]

KC says that Bulls frontloaded the contract so Magic couldn't match. So not so bad on the back end...

 

[clonetrooper264]

houheffna wrote:

KC says that Bulls frontloaded the contract so Magic couldn't match. So not so bad on the back end...

Though grossly overpaid on the front end. Regardless...we needed shooting and we got it.

 

[Shakes]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Shakes wrote:

44/40/86 vs 41/37/75 while scoring at a much better rate. The defense is in Kirk's favor, but I don't think by enough to make up the difference, Redick is a decent defender.

Obviously Kirk is a better point guard, but we're after a shooting guard here, so I'm only considering that part of his skill set.

If Reddick does half as good as Kirk does when guarding guys like Wade and even Paul Pierce, I'll admit that. I'd say Kirk's defense far exceeds Reddick, even if he's a good defender.

Well SVG was using him during the playoffs because of his defense on Ray Allen. Of course he was replacing Vince Carter who doesn't give a crap about defense, but still, SVG in general speaks highly of him. And if TT is also happy with making him an offer (which you have to assume he is), then I think he'll be fine.

 

[MikeMeraz]

No way is Redick or Korver as good as Hirich. Those two guys are both arguably bench players in this league, arguably. Hinrich is a starting point guard in this league or at least he should be. Hinrich has great defense and can create plays for others.

BUT! I'm really happy about both of these moves. Redick and Korver are great moves. I was hoping for Miller instead of Korver but I wanted Redick either way. He improved last year a lot.

So what's are roster looking like at the moment?

 

[Shakes]

MikeMeraz wrote:

Hinrich is a starting point guard in this league or at least he should be.

Which means nothing to us because we already have a starting point guard. Hinrich is a better PG than Redick, but Redick is a better SG. On a team with Rose, Redick makes a heck of a lot more sense than Hinrich.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Shakes wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Shakes wrote:

44/40/86 vs 41/37/75 while scoring at a much better rate. The defense is in Kirk's favor, but I don't think by enough to make up the difference, Redick is a decent defender.

Obviously Kirk is a better point guard, but we're after a shooting guard here, so I'm only considering that part of his skill set.

If Redick does half as good as Kirk does when guarding guys like Wade and even Paul Pierce, I'll admit that. I'd say Kirk's defense far exceeds Redick, even if he's a good defender.

Well SVG was using him during the playoffs because of his defense on Ray Allen. Of course he was replacing Vince Carter who doesn't give a crap about defense, but still, SVG in general speaks highly of him. And if TT is also happy with making him an offer (which you have to assume he is), then I think he'll be fine.

I'm not saying that Redick is a bad defensive player, I'm just saying that Hinrich is better. If Redick's defense is that good, that's great. When it's all said and done, I'd have to agree that he's a better fit at SG than Hinrich, I just don't think he's a better overall player.

 

[J-Mart]

Very happy with both moves, I'm surprised about all the negativity. The money needs to go somewhere and there are limited option available. We need outside shooting desperately and well now we have it. I think the whole Skiles and Kirk era made Bulls fans forget how defense is supposed to be played, from the inside out. We can afford to have one bad defender on the perimeter (Assuming Rose is going to improve next season). The key is that we have solid big man down low who can hold their own in the paint. Boozer may not be the best defender, but hes got the strength and is an enforcer. Lets not also forget he has Noah on the weak side to help him out.

Thibs will have us playing a good team defense, which I believe will cover up a lot of the holes Korver and Redick have on defense.

Talking about Hinrich, Redick is a better shooting guard than Kirk Hinrich. Better player, maybe not, no question he is the better shooting guard. Also Reddick and Korver > Hinrich and his terrible contract

 

[MikeMeraz]

Shakes wrote:

MikeMeraz wrote:

Hinrich is a starting point guard in this league or at least he should be.

Which means nothing to us because we already have a starting point guard. Hinrich is a better PG than Redick, but Redick is a better SG. On a team with Rose, Redick makes a heck of a lot more sense than Hinrich.

Yeah I know. I'm just saying Korver and Redick are not as good as Hinrich. But I guess it's not by a long shot.

 

[clonetrooper264]

J-Mart wrote:

Very happy with both moves, I'm surprised about all the negativity. The money needs to go somewhere and there are limited option available. We need outside shooting desperately and well now we have it. I think the whole Skiles and Kirk era made Bulls fans forget how defense is supposed to be played, from the inside out. We can afford to have one bad defender on the perimeter (Assuming Rose is going to improve next season). The key is that we have solid big man down low who can hold their own in the paint. Boozer may not be the best defender, but hes got the strength and is an enforcer. Lets not also forget he has Noah on the weak side to help him out.

Thibs will have us playing a good team defense, which I believe will cover up a lot of the holes Korver and Redick have on defense.

Talking about Hinrich, Redick is a better shooting guard than Kirk Hinrich. Better player, maybe not, no question he is the better shooting guard. Also Reddick and Korver > Hinrich and his terrible contract

Well if Redick's contract is indeed frontloaded like Hou said, then Redick may very well be making the same amount as Hinrich this season...or a couple million less. That to me is rather humerus.

 

[Shakes]

By the time you take into account the signing bonus & decreasing contract, he'll be making nearly as much as Hinrich. Of course the Magic will have to pay double in tax, so JJ will be costing them over 16 million bucks. Allegedly they're keen to match and try to move other players, but damn, 16 million bucks for a guy who was the 7th man in your rotation the previous year is still a tough ask for any owner.

 

[TheStig]

7 mill for reddick and 5 mill for kover? I'd rather just have bg for his 12. He actually is a starter in this league. Reddick and kover aren't starters, I'd rather seen us try to get someone in trade rather than lock up that much in shooter that don't do anything else. SG's are gonna destroy those two. We should have at least gotten morrow for 3/12. Chea[er and higher upside.

 

[NealKleren]

I'm glad the Bulls might get Reddick but would rather have him cheaper but I'm glad we got Korver. Are these guys starters? Not really but we needed people to fill out the roster and needed shooting and I'm glad the Bulls went and did something and didnt take forever doing it. So far we're heading in the right direction. Now we need a backup pg.