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I'm guessing that Tom Thibodeau wasn't handing out victory cigars in this one, in fact, I'm pretty certain he was ripping the team a new one in the locker room after this game, because they were fortunate to get a...

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Kirk Hinrich got a standing ovation when announced, and the Bulls played a video tribute to him during the first timeout. It's interesting, but unsurprising, to see how appreciated Hinrich is amongst the casual fans relative to Gordon who's simply booed every time he touches the ball. Make what you want of that.


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Frankly, I've seen gordon's and hinrich's resume's on the offensive side of the ball. With that in mind it makes much more sense that bulls fans boo gordon's possessions and cheer hinrich's possessions. If i was on the opposing team, i'd get giddy every time hinrich attempts a shot.
 

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Frankly, I've seen gordon's and hinrich's resume's on the offensive side of the ball. With that in mind it makes much more sense that bulls fans boo gordon's possessions and cheer hinrich's possessions. If i was on the opposing team, i'd get giddy every time hinrich attempts a shot.

LOL pretty much what I wrote over on Doug's blog, it's easy to cheer a guy you don't think is going to beat you, you'd only bother to boo a guy if you think it's a good idea to get into his head and put him off his game.
 

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You guys are totally missing the reason as to why Gordon gets booed and Hinrich gets cheered. Hinrich is gone because the Bulls organization traded him out of desperation for cap space in free agency. He was forced out of the door. Ben Gordon on the other hand left on his own will after a lengthy and public contract dispute. To add on to that, he signed with a division rival.

It's not about who played better for us or that we're worried about one guy beating us over the other; Bulls fans were not happy about the way Gordon left and are appreciative of Hinrich's loyality during his tenure. Some may blame the organization for Gordon's departure, but the more intelligent fans will realize that he was just demanding too much money and had to be let go.
 

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You guys are totally missing the reason as to why Gordon gets booed and Hinrich gets cheered. Hinrich is gone because the Bulls organization traded him out of desperation for cap space in free agency. He was forced out of the door. Ben Gordon on the other hand left on his own will after a lengthy and public contract dispute. To add on to that, he signed with a division rival.

It's not about who played better for us or that we're worried about one guy beating us over the other; Bulls fans were not happy about the way Gordon left and are appreciative of Hinrich's loyality during his tenure. Some may blame the organization for Gordon's departure, but the more intelligent fans will realize that he was just demanding too much money and had to be let go.

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You guys are totally missing the reason as to why Gordon gets booed and Hinrich gets cheered. Hinrich is gone because the Bulls organization traded him out of desperation for cap space in free agency. He was forced out of the door. Ben Gordon on the other hand left on his own will after a lengthy and public contract dispute. To add on to that, he signed with a division rival.

It's not about who played better for us or that we're worried about one guy beating us over the other; Bulls fans were not happy about the way Gordon left and are appreciative of Hinrich's loyality during his tenure. Some may blame the organization for Gordon's departure, but the more intelligent fans will realize that he was just demanding too much money and had to be let go.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
 

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arenas really played well. he still has that sweet looking jumpshot.
 

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You guys are totally missing the reason as to why Gordon gets booed and Hinrich gets cheered. Hinrich is gone because the Bulls organization traded him out of desperation for cap space in free agency. He was forced out of the door. Ben Gordon on the other hand left on his own will after a lengthy and public contract dispute. To add on to that, he signed with a division rival.

It's not about who played better for us or that we're worried about one guy beating us over the other; Bulls fans were not happy about the way Gordon left and are appreciative of Hinrich's loyality during his tenure. Some may blame the organization for Gordon's departure, but the more intelligent fans will realize that he was just demanding too much money and had to be let go.

First off, I just want to say that I'm not pining over the loss of Gordon. I loved him when he was here & I still like him as a player, but I am always one to recognize his faults. And his cap space helped put us in the position we are today. However, your 'reason' doesn't sit well with me.

BG is one of the most professional players in the league. He never complains, he never whines. Yes, he answers questions when asked by the media. During the contract dispute, he hardly sat there T.O. style, spouting off about lack of respect, or blah blah blah. He answered his questions honestly. And he never disrespected the team or JR. Not once. He was the best scorer on the team, one of the best players on the team, & he felt he deserved to be compensated for it. I guess that makes him a horrible person or a cancer or whatever. Is he worth $11mill/per? No, but neither is Deng or Hinrich or 99% of the league for that matter.

And if you want to talk about lack of respect I can give a prime example. During contract negotiations for Deng & BG in the off season of '07, JR & Gar Foreman both flew to London to personally handle negotiations & woo Deng with a big contract. BG was given a number by the FO & told 'take it or leave it' & you have by the beginning of training camp to decide. After giving your all for your team for 4 years & performing at a high level, don't you think you'd feel a little bit disrespected if your boss basically told you 'take it or leave it'? I know I sure would. Oh and one more little tidbit. Remember after '09 Gar flat out lying to the entire fanbase that resigning Ben was a priority of the offseason? I sure do. They didn't even offer him a contract. Now who was pushing who out the door?

People boo BG because he was nothing but criticized his entire time here & all that seeped into the drones heads. That's mainly the media's doing, partly management's, & entirely the mindless drones for feeding into it. Is he short for a 2 guard? Yes. Did we need to be reminded of that every single friggin' day he was here? No. Was not good on defense? No, he was average at his best. Did we need to be reminded of that every single friggin' day he was here? No. Did he sometimes take bad shots? Yes, as many NBA players do. Did we need to be reminded of that every single friggin' day he was here? No. Do you see the pattern that is emerging here? BG had his faults, but he was also the most explosive scorer this city had seen since MJ, & was never afraid to put the team on his back to pull out a victory. The guy won us 12 games alone in his rookie season for cryin' out loud. An 'intelligent' fan would not be booing him. An 'intelligent' fan would be cheering him, thanking him for the years of professionalism & the countless exciting clutch performances he gave us over the years.
 

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First off, I just want to say that I'm not pining over the loss of Gordon. I loved him when he was here & I still like him as a player, but I am always one to recognize his faults. And his cap space helped put us in the position we are today. However, your 'reason' doesn't sit well with me.

BG is one of the most professional players in the league. He never complains, he never whines. Yes, he answers questions when asked by the media. During the contract dispute, he hardly sat there T.O. style, spouting off about lack of respect, or blah blah blah. He answered his questions honestly. And he never disrespected the team or JR. Not once. He was the best scorer on the team, one of the best players on the team, & he felt he deserved to be compensated for it. I guess that makes him a horrible person or a cancer or whatever. Is he worth $11mill/per? No, but neither is Deng or Hinrich or 99% of the league for that matter.

And if you want to talk about lack of respect I can give a prime example. During contract negotiations for Deng & BG in the off season of '07, JR & Gar Foreman both flew to London to personally handle negotiations & woo Deng with a big contract. BG was given a number by the FO & told 'take it or leave it' & you have by the beginning of training camp to decide. After giving your all for your team for 4 years & performing at a high level, don't you think you'd feel a little bit disrespected if your boss basically told you 'take it or leave it'? I know I sure would. Oh and one more little tidbit. Remember after '09 Gar flat out lying to the entire fanbase that resigning Ben was a priority of the offseason? I sure do. They didn't even offer him a contract. Now who was pushing who out the door?

People boo BG because he was nothing but criticized his entire time here & all that seeped into the drones heads. That's mainly the media's doing, partly management's, & entirely the mindless drones for feeding into it. Is he short for a 2 guard? Yes. Did we need to be reminded of that every single friggin' day he was here? No. Was not good on defense? No, he was average at his best. Did we need to be reminded of that every single friggin' day he was here? No. Did he sometimes take bad shots? Yes, as many NBA players do. Did we need to be reminded of that every single friggin' day he was here? No. Do you see the pattern that is emerging here? BG had his faults, but he was also the most explosive scorer this city had seen since MJ, & was never afraid to put the team on his back to pull out a victory. The guy won us 12 games alone in his rookie season for cryin' out loud. An 'intelligent' fan would not be booing him. An 'intelligent' fan would be cheering him, thanking him for the years of professionalism & the countless exciting clutch performances he gave us over the years.

Oh boy, somebody get me some knee high boots so I can wade through THIS b.s....

Gordon shouldn't get booed because he played hard, neither should Hinrich. They gave their all and represent at their best a team that was as good as the 1994 Rockets...without that HOF center the Rockets had. Nothing to romanticize about. Ben Wallace is the one that deserves to get booed...that is the truth. Neither is going to the HOF, neither is a franchise cornerstone, neither contributed to the downfall of the franchise in any way.

I will say this, while pointing out the "drones" and their being mistaken about Gordon, the Church of St. Ben was one of the most delusional group of sports fans I have ever...EVER seen. So that cuts both ways...
 
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Oh boy, somebody get me some knee high boots so I can wade through THIS b.s....

Gordon shouldn't get booed because he played hard, neither should Hinrich. They gave their all and represent at their best a team that was as good as the 1994 Rockets...without that HOF center the Rockets had. Nothing to romanticize about. Ben Wallace is the one that deserves to get booed...that is the truth. Neither is going to the HOF, neither is a franchise cornerstone, neither contributed to the downfall of the franchise in any way.

I will say this, while pointing out the "drones" and their being mistaken about Gordon, the Church of St. Ben was one of the most delusional group of sports fans I have ever...EVER seen. So that cuts both ways...

excellent post.
 

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The Gordon/Hinrich debate is one of the most overblown things ever imo. Both guys gave their all here. Sure, Gordon is a better scorer and shooter than Hinrich and as a result the offense tended to ride on him a lot because he was capable of carrying them. Sure, Hinrich was a better defender, could defend 3 positions with a pretty good amount of success for a unathletic white guy and was a better facilitator and ball handler. Both guys had their strengths and faults, but at the end of the day, the giant amount of hate for both guys is appalling. Their BOTH overpaid for what they contribute, but you know what? It doesn't matter to us anymore, they're both gone.
 

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The Gordon/Hinrich debate is one of the most overblown things ever imo. Both guys gave their all here. Sure, Gordon is a better scorer and shooter than Hinrich and as a result the offense tended to ride on him a lot because he was capable of carrying them. Sure, Hinrich was a better defender, could defend 3 positions with a pretty good amount of success for a unathletic white guy and was a better facilitator and ball handler. Both guys had their strengths and faults, but at the end of the day, the giant amount of hate for both guys is appalling. Their BOTH overpaid for what they contribute, but you know what? It doesn't matter to us anymore, they're both gone.

also, excellent post.
 

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First off, I just want to say that I'm not pining over the loss of Gordon. I loved him when he was here & I still like him as a player, but I am always one to recognize his faults. And his cap space helped put us in the position we are today. However, your 'reason' doesn't sit well with me.

BG is one of the most professional players in the league. He never complains, he never whines. Yes, he answers questions when asked by the media. During the contract dispute, he hardly sat there T.O. style, spouting off about lack of respect, or blah blah blah. He answered his questions honestly. And he never disrespected the team or JR. Not once. He was the best scorer on the team, one of the best players on the team, & he felt he deserved to be compensated for it. I guess that makes him a horrible person or a cancer or whatever. Is he worth $11mill/per? No, but neither is Deng or Hinrich or 99% of the league for that matter.

And if you want to talk about lack of respect I can give a prime example. During contract negotiations for Deng & BG in the off season of '07, JR & Gar Foreman both flew to London to personally handle negotiations & woo Deng with a big contract. BG was given a number by the FO & told 'take it or leave it' & you have by the beginning of training camp to decide. After giving your all for your team for 4 years & performing at a high level, don't you think you'd feel a little bit disrespected if your boss basically told you 'take it or leave it'? I know I sure would. Oh and one more little tidbit. Remember after '09 Gar flat out lying to the entire fanbase that resigning Ben was a priority of the offseason? I sure do. They didn't even offer him a contract. Now who was pushing who out the door?

People boo BG because he was nothing but criticized his entire time here & all that seeped into the drones heads. That's mainly the media's doing, partly management's, & entirely the mindless drones for feeding into it. Is he short for a 2 guard? Yes. Did we need to be reminded of that every single friggin' day he was here? No. Was not good on defense? No, he was average at his best. Did we need to be reminded of that every single friggin' day he was here? No. Did he sometimes take bad shots? Yes, as many NBA players do. Did we need to be reminded of that every single friggin' day he was here? No. Do you see the pattern that is emerging here? BG had his faults, but he was also the most explosive scorer this city had seen since MJ, & was never afraid to put the team on his back to pull out a victory. The guy won us 12 games alone in his rookie season for cryin' out loud. An 'intelligent' fan would not be booing him. An 'intelligent' fan would be cheering him, thanking him for the years of professionalism & the countless exciting clutch performances he gave us over the years.

Regardless of whether the "reason" I gave sits well with you or not, it doesn't change the fact that it is indeed the reason. In reality, Ben Gordon is just a glorified bench player. Sure he was the best player on bad performing Bulls teams, but that doesn't justify overpaying for him(as even you acknowledged). The deal that was offered to him by the front office wasn't a bad one. He made it pretty clear he wasn't going to budge, that is until he realized he played a little too hard to get and tried to accept the deal after it was pulled off the table by the front office. I'm glad they stuck to their guns.

Paxson and Reinsdorf were too high on Deng, and I will say I didn't like how that played out. The thing is, Deng was held in high regard by most people coming off that play-off performance against the Heat. Now I ask, do you try your hardest to re-sign your young 6'9" forward who rebounds, scores, and defends, or a one trick 6th man? It's hardly insulting that they focused on their center piece, at the time. Ultimately Deng was overpaid which was a mistake, but they had to do it considering how Gordon's contract negotiations were playing out. Ben Gordon himself helped Deng get that contract by putting the fear into the front office that they may lose both. That is fact a lot of those who complain about Deng's deal don't want to admit.

Though Gordon helped win some games, he also shot us out of a lot of them or simply was walked on by opposing SGs. I'm appreciative of what Gordon brought to the Bulls, but I'm with the fans who boo him now. I will never cheer on a Detroit Pistons player. I will also not cheer on a player that takes an extra million or so over winning. I'm glad it worked out for him and he got the deal that he desired, but he is now with the enemy.

To say the intelligent fan would cheer Ben Gordon, that couldn't be further from the truth. By no means is there a problem with Bulls fans booing him. On the other hand, there is also no problem with those who cheer him on.
 

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The Gordon/Hinrich debate is one of the most overblown things ever imo. Both guys gave their all here. Sure, Gordon is a better scorer and shooter than Hinrich and as a result the offense tended to ride on him a lot because he was capable of carrying them. Sure, Hinrich was a better defender, could defend 3 positions with a pretty good amount of success for a unathletic white guy and was a better facilitator and ball handler. Both guys had their strengths and faults, but at the end of the day, the giant amount of hate for both guys is appalling. Their BOTH overpaid for what they contribute, but you know what? It doesn't matter to us anymore, they're both gone.

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Regardless of whether the "reason" I gave sits well with you or not, it doesn't change the fact that it is indeed the reason. In reality, Ben Gordon is just a glorified bench player. Sure he was the best player on bad performing Bulls teams, but that doesn't justify overpaying for him(as even you acknowledged). The deal that was offered to him by the front office wasn't a bad one. He made it pretty clear he wasn't going to budge, that is until he realized he played a little too hard to get and tried to accept the deal after it was pulled off the table by the front office. I'm glad they stuck to their guns.

Paxson and Reinsdorf were too high on Deng, and I will say I didn't like how that played out. The thing is, Deng was held in high regard by most people coming off that play-off performance against the Heat. Now I ask, do you try your hardest to re-sign your young 6'9" forward who rebounds, scores, and defends, or a one trick 6th man? It's hardly insulting that they focused on their center piece, at the time. Ultimately Deng was overpaid which was a mistake, but they had to do it considering how Gordon's contract negotiations were playing out. Ben Gordon himself helped Deng get that contract by putting the fear into the front office that they may lose both. That is fact a lot of those who complain about Deng's deal don't want to admit.

Though Gordon helped win some games, he also shot us out of a lot of them or simply was walked on by opposing SGs. I'm appreciative of what Gordon brought to the Bulls, but I'm with the fans who boo him now. I will never cheer on a Detroit Pistons player. I will also not cheer on a player that takes an extra million or so over winning. I'm glad it worked out for him and he got the deal that he desired, but he is now with the enemy.

To say the intelligent fan would cheer Ben Gordon, that couldn't be further from the truth. By no means is there a problem with Bulls fans booing him. On the other hand, there is also no problem with those who cheer him on.

bro came in & killed it before anyone else could :bulls:
 

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What lebron and wade did was crazy. I'd take an extra million over winning any day of the week. It's your livlihood.
 

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What lebron and wade did was crazy. I'd take an extra million over winning any day of the week. It's your livlihood.

Wow...couldn't disagree more. So I take it you would have thought Lebron was stupid if he came to Chicago? I doubt it...
 

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THIS MAN SAID HE WOULD TAKE AN EXTRA MILLION OVER WINNING :obama: :obama: :turrible: :turrible: :lmao:

I HOPE YOUR NOT SERIOUS

losing that mil can easily be made up if a chip is won (playoff/finals money & extra endorsements that would follow a chip)

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Gordon and other role players aren't getting endorsement deals. yes i am serious. it's a business. If a team is willing to offer you a million or so more, would you turn it down? turning down guaranteed money is Special person. Honestly, when you turn 40 would you rather have a house or a ring? If you answer a ring, that's where you and i differ. I'd rather have financial security.

hou you dont understand the argument, so i'm not going to even respond.
 

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