Bulls survive Arenas, play lousy basketball, but get the win

[Undisputed]

Gordon and other role players aren't getting endorsement deals. yes i am serious. it's a business. If a team is willing to offer you a million or so more, would you turn it down? turning down guaranteed money is Special person. Honestly, when you turn 40 would you rather have a house or a ring? If you answer a ring, that's where you and i differ. I'd rather have financial security.

As long as an NBA player has a contract, there's financial security. A lot of good players have taken less money to win. Pity that he'd only make about 9 million(plus bonuses for making it to the play-offs) a season than 11 million. You're making it seem like that's the difference between poverty and riches, it's not. That's why players take less money to stay/go to a winning situation or somewhere they're comfortable.

 

[pinkizdead]

would you give up a million to win? keep in mind that you're basically only going to be paid from ages 18-30something as a ball player. after that you're going to be making regular joe cash, and more than likely be broke as soon as you stop playing professionally.

 

[Undisputed]

would you give up a million to win? keep in mind that you're basically only going to be paid from ages 18-30something as a ball player. after that you're going to be making regular joe cash, and more than likely be broke as soon as you stop playing professionally.

As an athlete, I would honestly take less money to play in a winning situation. That's just me of course, I couldn't imagine being on a feeble team that's locked up financially....and I definitely wouldn't leave a city like Chicago for the rapidly declining Detroit. I see where you're coming from, but you're just a fool with money if you blow millions to the point where you're broke in the future. Most people can live a really good life with just one million, let alone multi-millions.

 

[houheffna]

What lebron and wade did was crazy. I'd take an extra million over winning any day of the week. It's your livlihood.

Well, it would be interesting for you to explain away the simplicity in your statement about Lebron and Wade...would love to have read it.

Number 1...look at Lebron, Carmelo, Chris Paul, people like that...they are willing to sacrifice...look at Shaq! Shaq is playing for peanuts, other teams offered more, Shaq wants a ring. The reason Joe Johnson went back was because he would have left millions of dollars on the table, a bit different from what you are talking about.

That said, unless you are a millionaire, and I don't think you are, you obviously don't understand the situation with these players. A million to them is not the same as a million to you or me. Those guys piss away 25k fines like its a $5 tip. Money is not a problem to Lebron, winning is. That is why he made the decision.

 

[Shakes]

The money is not just about financial security, it's also about respect. When Chicago says "you're a 10 million a year player" and Detroit says "no, you're a 12 million a year player" then Detroit is saying they think Ben Gordon is a better basketball player than Chicago thinks he is.

Vets taking less money to play for a winner is the same thing really, it's a team saying "we're a really good team and we think you can put us over the top and win us a championship". Again, that's saying the team respects them as a player.

 

[houheffna]

The money is not just about financial security, it's also about respect. When Chicago says "you're a 10 million a year player" and Detroit says "no, you're a 12 million a year player" then Detroit is saying they think Ben Gordon is a better basketball player than Chicago thinks he is.

Vets taking less money to play for a winner is the same thing really, it's a team saying "we're a really good team and we think you can put us over the top and win us a championship". Again, that's saying the team respects them as a player.

Not necessarily. That can be two different entities with two totally different views of market value. Do you think Dumars believes Gordon is better than Monta Ellis? I don't think so. But Dumars paid him as if he was.

 

[Shakes]

Not necessarily. That can be two different entities with two totally different views of market value. Do you think Dumars believes Gordon is better than Monta Ellis? I don't think so. But Dumars paid him as if he was.

Monta Ellis wasn't available to Detroit, so the contract he got isn't a factor. The only bidding here was between Detroit and Chicago for Ben Gordon's services, and Detroit by way of $$$ said they wanted him more.

Ironically they then bench him for Rip Hamilton who is utter shit at this point in his career, but thems the breaks. Good deal for Gordon though, getting paid for sitting on the bench and watching Rip shoot bricks.

 

[clonetrooper264]

would you give up a million to win? keep in mind that you're basically only going to be paid from ages 18-30something as a ball player. after that you're going to be making regular joe cash, and more than likely be broke as soon as you stop playing professionally.

IMO a smart player will give up a million to get a ring. That ring is worth much more to a player than a million dollars (which in the NBA is barely anything to most players). If you get a ring, you have respect (assuming you actually played a bit of a role in that...no Adam Morrison's here). By saying you'll take a million over a ring you tell people "I care more about myself than the team's success." And as a side note, a financially smart athlete (though I know they're few and far between) would have no problems taking a million less since in the big scheme of things they're set for life really. Again, this is the smart athlete. Everyone else probably thinks they're still set for life and doesn't really pay much attention to the extra million. Of course there are always exceptions, such as this one, where a million matters to them more than winning a championship (which should be every player's ultimate goal).

 

[WindyCity7]

i doubt pink even believes that

 

[houheffna]

Monta Ellis wasn't available to Detroit, so the contract he got isn't a factor. The only bidding here was between Detroit and Chicago for Ben Gordon's services, and Detroit by way of $$$ said they wanted him more.

Ironically they then bench him for Rip Hamilton who is utter shit at this point in his career, but thems the breaks. Good deal for Gordon though, getting paid for sitting on the bench and watching Rip shoot bricks.

You don't think other players at the same position's financial situation would dictate in any way what Gordon would get paid? In the case of Dumars, that might be the case, which explains the criticism he would received after making those signings. But in most situations in every sport, another player or players at the same position definitely dictates the market value at the time. Why do you think Tyson Chandler got the contract he received? Samuel Dalembert. Price comparisons is a part of finance on all levels when buying and selling.

 

[WindyCity7]

You don't think other players at the same position's financial situation would dictate in any way what Gordon would get paid? In the case of Dumars, that might be the case, which explains the criticism he would received after making those signings. But in most situations in every sport, another player or players at the same position definitely dictates the market value at the time. Why do you think Tyson Chandler got the contract he received? Samuel Dalembert. Price comparisons is a part of finance on all levels when buying and selling.

check n mate

 

[pinkizdead]

i doubt pink even believes that

i don't. Listen if my livelihood was a game, i wouldn't place much room in my life for glory. For instance, if i were to look back at my life at the age of 50, would i rather have a ring, or would i rather have the guarantee that i just sent my grandchild to grad school, i'd go with the later. If you think i'm despicable for having that point of view, **** off.

 

[WindyCity7]

i don't. Listen if my livelihood was a game, i wouldn't place much room in my life for glory. For instance, if i were to look back at my life at the age of 50, would i rather have a ring, or would i rather have the guarantee that i just sent my grandchild to grad school, i'd go with the later. If you think i'm despicable for having that point of view, **** off.

nah i get what your are saying i was just stating that what was said wasnt going to change your opinionm acman2:

 

[houheffna]

i don't. Listen if my livelihood was a game, i wouldn't place much room in my life for glory. For instance, if i were to look back at my life at the age of 50, would i rather have a ring, or would i rather have the guarantee that i just sent my grandchild to grad school, i'd go with the later. If you think i'm despicable for having that point of view, **** off.

you talk as if these players are making $15 and hour. You could support your children and send them to school off of what Joe Johnson makes in a month!

 

[pinkizdead]

nah i get what your are saying i was just stating that what was said wasnt going to change your opinionm acman2:

yeah. no i understand the counter point. As a fan, i'd hope that that most athletes share your point of view.

 

[Derkach77]

Wasn't a great game by us but we hung in there when we needed to.

 

[Shakes]

You don't think other players at the same position's financial situation would dictate in any way what Gordon would get paid? In the case of Dumars, that might be the case, which explains the criticism he would received after making those signings. But in most situations in every sport, another player or players at the same position definitely dictates the market value at the time. Why do you think Tyson Chandler got the contract he received? Samuel Dalembert. Price comparisons is a part of finance on all levels when buying and selling.

I'm not saying that at all, of course you consider the salary of other players. But you've also got to consider the NBA rules, you can't just decide "Oh I like Ellis, I'll go out and pay him" because he's under contract. Detroit had the option of buying the players on the FA market or getting nobody. Chicago had the option of buying the FA they had bird rights on or getting nobody. Thus I think for Gordon he can look at the two teams and say "If Detroit is offering me more they think more of me as a player than Chicago do".

You know I support Chicago's decision to let Gordon go and I think Detroit were stupid to get him at the price, but I'm just looking at it from the player's point of view, not the teams.

 

[houheffna]

I'm not saying that at all, of course you consider the salary of other players. But you've also got to consider the NBA rules, you can't just decide "Oh I like Ellis, I'll go out and pay him" because he's under contract. Detroit had the option of buying the players on the FA market or getting nobody. Chicago had the option of buying the FA they had bird rights on or getting nobody. Thus I think for Gordon he can look at the two teams and say "If Detroit is offering me more they think more of me as a player than Chicago do".

You know I support Chicago's decision to let Gordon go and I think Detroit were stupid to get him at the price, but I'm just looking at it from the player's point of view, not the teams.

understood

 

[pinkizdead]

You know I support Chicago's decision to let Gordon go and I think Detroit were stupid to get him at the price, but I'm just looking at it from the player's point of view, not the teams.

ditto. i was just voicing my opinion about what i would do as a player.