Burst Pipes Discussion

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Start holding them accountable.

I did it to the Public Works crew last night and ended up getting the problem figured out.

I'm not sure why people are so averse to the notion of accountability and the rap on the knuckles it requires when you **** up.

I'm not advocating we drag that lady out into the town square and do awful things to her.

But she should be held accountable for the burst pipe in more than just "Oh my Aunt's insurance went up"

The Public Works crew who fucked up the first two times at my house, should be held accountable for not investigating the water as the 3rd crew did.

If they were, by a real leader, that person would've visited me today or given me a call to say "Hey I talked to my guys about what happened, and here's what I told them so that doesn't happen in the future."

That's what I used to do when I was a leader, it was the bare fucking minimum.

People don't do even that bare fucking minimum any longer.
Sounds like you need to run for office.
 

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Sounds like you need to run for office.

You know I'd never get anywhere near office and if I did they'd just fringe me like anyone else with any sense.

And this society would not get off their asses to back me up as I represented them.

That's the real problem.

People don't fight for people who fight for them.
 

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You know I'd never get anywhere near office and if I did they'd just fringe me like anyone else with any sense.

And this society would not get off their asses to back me up as I represented them.

That's the real problem.

People don't fight for people who fight for them.
That's because everyone just berates everyone now. Why would anyone with any sense want to be a politician, cop, nurse or teacher? That's really a large chunk of this country's problem right now.
 

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That's because everyone just berates everyone now. Why would anyone with any sense want to be a politician, cop, nurse or teacher? That's really a large chunk of this country's problem right now.

If those of us who have adult maturity would start yanking those big mouths doing the yelling and Twitter fuckery, maybe we could get back to a society where people respect Cops, Nurses, Teachers, and heck even Senators lol.
 

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If those of us who have adult maturity would start yanking those big mouths doing the yelling and Twitter fuckery, maybe we could get back to a society where people respect Cops, Nurses, Teachers, and heck even Senators lol.
The change was happening prior to Twitter.. but regardless, yes I agree. Just not sure how to go about it really.
 

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The change was happening prior to Twitter.. but regardless, yes I agree. Just not sure how to go about it really.

I wrote a post telling you how to go about it and deleted it.

I'll just say, all of us, need to start saying something, when we hear bullshit.

I know, people hate conflict, but you gotta start somewhere and speaking is at least non-violence.

We have freedom of speech, start speaking to people when they need to be spoken to.

You need to figure out how you use your words and body language to convey the type of message you think the person spouting bullshit needs to hear.

Some people, bullies, need to be bullied back into place.

Some people, just need you to articulate logical reasoning and offer them a firm tone.

Some people, literally need you to intellectually body slam them into submission and then need you to dare them to fight you before they will back down an inch and even talk to you.... maybe you just avoid these ones lol.
 

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I always say what I think. People don't like it, I don't care.
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I always say what I think. People don't like it, I don't care.
Has worked for over 50 yrs.

They're trying to purge you from society, and I won't allow it.
 

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I wrote a post telling you how to go about it and deleted it.

I'll just say, all of us, need to start saying something, when we hear bullshit.

I know, people hate conflict, but you gotta start somewhere and speaking is at least non-violence.

We have freedom of speech, start speaking to people when they need to be spoken to.

You need to figure out how you use your words and body language to convey the type of message you think the person spouting bullshit needs to hear.

Some people, bullies, need to be bullied back into place.

Some people, just need you to articulate logical reasoning and offer them a firm tone.

Some people, literally need you to intellectually body slam them into submission and then need you to dare them to fight you before they will back down an inch and even talk to you.... maybe you just avoid these ones lol.
I think the problem comes when you end up in bubbles online. Plus being online allows you to be completely different (sometimes) than you would be in person. I think people maybe had more respect for others when arguments would happen in person vs now where everything is in an online echo chamber, and on Twitter/Facebook comments where nothing constructive is actually ever going to happen.

Hell, this forum is a great example of that too. How often is anyone's mind ever actually changed here?
 

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I think the problem comes when you end up in bubbles online. Plus being online allows you to be completely different (sometimes) than you would be in person. I think people maybe had more respect for others when arguments would happen in person vs now where everything is in an online echo chamber, and on Twitter/Facebook comments where nothing constructive is actually ever going to happen.

Hell, this forum is a great example of that too. How often is anyone's mind ever actually changed here?

Its not about changing minds, its about maturing the adults around our society.

Like this thread, may have reminded a number of people, especially lurkers, that they should be keeping better tabs on their HVAC and pipes to avoid them bursting. Or maybe it made them think of their Aunt and they texted her to remind her to trickle her faucet when temps are below zero.

When you cut people's bullshit and speak sense, people have no choice but to hear it and see how effective it is in solving problems.

This influences them to listen to more people like you, do things like what you said because those things were effective.

Literally someone has to set examples of positive sensible adults who value and espouse competence over bullshit, just to get the message to people of a better way to be, or all they see is the horde of texting-while-driving zombies and join in.

And nothing we say will directly nor immediately break up that horde, but bit by bit if you force people to acknowledge that competence and effectiveness and efficiency and empathy are far superior to word salad and societal vaporware, some of them will have no choice but to change, even just a little bit, and begin an erosion of the current Idiocracy status quo.

Nothing in this world cannot be ground down by erosion.
 

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Its not about changing minds, its about maturing the adults around our society.

Like this thread, may have reminded a number of people, especially lurkers, that they should be keeping better tabs on their HVAC and pipes to avoid them bursting. Or maybe it made them think of their Aunt and they texted her to remind her to trickle her faucet when temps are below zero.

When you cut people's bullshit and speak sense, people have no choice but to hear it and see how effective it is in solving problems.

This influences them to listen to more people like you, do things like what you said because those things were effective.

Literally someone has to set examples of positive sensible adults who value and espouse competence over bullshit, just to get the message to people of a better way to be, or all they see is the horde of texting-while-driving zombies and join in.

And nothing we say will directly nor immediately break up that horde, but bit by bit if you force people to acknowledge that competence and effectiveness and efficiency and empathy are far superior to word salad and societal vaporware, some of them will have no choice but to change, even just a little bit, and begin an erosion of the current Idiocracy status quo.

Nothing in this world cannot be ground down by erosion.
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sound like you need to beat some fucks with a pipe
 

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sound like you need to beat some fucks with a pipe

I had that deranged look in my eye and lots of loose objects in my garage lol.

I cleaned out my garage yesterday, back filled the channel as much as we could/should and covered it with plywood until we get a day we can pour fresh concrete.

I am still waiting to hear anything from the HOA about if there's damage to the internal structure between our units, or any concerns of damage to the foundation.
 

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