Bushrod to Right Tackle and Long back to Guard?

[ClydeLee]

If Bushrod is healthy enough to play I agree if might not be a bad idea to play him at RT. Long is our best lineman, but he is very average at Tackle. Tackles move from LT to RT often, John Tait did it successfully here in Chicago.

John Tait successfully moved from RT to LT when the Bears signed him... after he was RT, though he may of started some times initially at LT for the KC Chiefs. They made that move back because he was declining with age and thought it would help him. He wasn't even good anyway that last year to begin with.

For some guys it's easier to move inside/outside than it is to the opposite side. Some have preferred dominant sides they are better at.

 

[NCChiFan]

My recollection from Bushrod's comments when asked about a move to RT was, he was opposed. Said he's never played on the Right side and didn't know the techniques for playing on that side of the center, nor, at the time, was he gung ho about learning them. Was a recorded interview, thinking it was on the Bear site, but again, we are going back a year or two.

 

[Burque]

I would put bushrod at RG before i would ever move Long back there.

 

[Larsonite]

Bushrod best attribute is his pass blocking not his run blocking. RT needs to be a powerful run blocker. LT and RT are not interchangeable. RT is not a lesser position to LT. It doesn't work that way. It's similar to LDE handling double teams on run downs by the RT and TE and RDE beating the LT on passing plays. Given QBs are 98% right handed, the LT needs to be your best pass blocker as it is the blind side. The QB can see if the RT is beat and can adjust faster than the guy he can't see.

Bushrod has made a career out of blocking the blind side. He has never been a dominate run blocker. Moving him to RT is a stupid, idiotic, moronic idea.

Try being opposite handed and see how Special person you write, eat a bowl of cereal and jerk off. It'll be a fucking disaster. Now think about blocking an NFL DE like that, fucking disaster. Now some can flip hands easier than others and it's more of an example than what happens on the field but it's still really fucking hard to do the exact opposite at an NFL level in a short time.

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[baselman1974]

Just let Bushrod go. He was serviceable but not elite or even above average. I rather have the Bears get younger on O-line.

 

[PrideisBears]

Just let Bushrod go. He was serviceable but not elite or even above average. I rather have the Bears get younger on O-line.

This. Bears need to stop with these F.A Band-Aids at LT and try to actually draft one. I think Chris Williams was our last try at drafting a "franchise" LT

 

[hebs]

This. Bears need to stop with these F.A Band-Aids at LT and try to actually draft one. I think Chris Williams was our last try at drafting a "franchise" LT

Not even gonna name the failure from Wisconsin?? Or do you not consider him a contender for LT?

 

[Matt Suhey]

Bushrod best attribute is his pass blocking not his run blocking. RT needs to be a powerful run blocker. LT and RT are not interchangeable. RT is not a lesser position to LT. It doesn't work that way. It's similar to LDE handling double teams on run downs by the RT and TE and RDE beating the LT on passing plays. Given QBs are 98% right handed, the LT needs to be your best pass blocker as it is the blind side. The QB can see if the RT is beat and can adjust faster than the guy he can't see.

Bushrod has made a career out of blocking the blind side. He has never been a dominate run blocker. Moving him to RT is a stupid, idiotic, moronic idea.

Try being opposite handed and see how Special person you write, eat a bowl of cereal and jerk off. It'll be a fucking disaster. Now think about blocking an NFL DE like that, fucking disaster. Now some can flip hands easier than others and it's more of an example than what happens on the field but it's still really fucking hard to do the exact opposite at an NFL level in a short time.

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I also have some serious doubts that in mid season a guy with a lifetime on the left side will make an easy transition to the right side. The muscle memory thing is working way against him. However Kyle is doing pretty well moving one spot over to the right at RT so having Bushrod move from LT to LG seems a reasonable idea.

 

[Matt Suhey]

Bushrod best attribute is his pass blocking not his run blocking. RT needs to be a powerful run blocker. LT and RT are not interchangeable. RT is not a lesser position to LT. It doesn't work that way. It's similar to LDE handling double teams on run downs by the RT and TE and RDE beating the LT on passing plays. Given QBs are 98% right handed, the LT needs to be your best pass blocker as it is the blind side. The QB can see if the RT is beat and can adjust faster than the guy he can't see.

Bushrod has made a career out of blocking the blind side. He has never been a dominate run blocker. Moving him to RT is a stupid, idiotic, moronic idea.

Try being opposite handed and see how Special person you write, eat a bowl of cereal and jerk off. It'll be a fucking disaster. Now think about blocking an NFL DE like that, fucking disaster. Now some can flip hands easier than others and it's more of an example than what happens on the field but it's still really fucking hard to do the exact opposite at an NFL level in a short time.

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I also have some serious doubts that in mid season a guy with a lifetime on the left side will make an easy transition to the right side. The muscle memory thing is working way against him. However Kyle is doing pretty well moving one spot over to the right at RT so having Bushrod move from LT to LG seems a reasonable idea.

 

[mattb78]

Lets be honest, Kyle is struggling at RT. He has given up 5 sacks this year and 3 holding penalties. Most by any O-lineman on our team.

That being said, might as well let him finish the year out at RT and see if he figures it out. He seemed to have the skill set to play anywhere but perhaps not.

You don't take a pro bowl guard and make him an average RT.

Here is hoping he does better at RT but Kyle Long looks like a guard playing out of place right now.

 

[xer0h0ur]

I'm just sitting here waiting for the end of the season so I can #CalledIt, I never wanted Long moved from guard.

 

[Burque]

Just let Bushrod go. He was serviceable but not elite or even above average. I rather have the Bears get younger on O-line.

I think they will probably keep him around as a backup at least until the season is over. After that I totally agree he should go down the road.

 

[PrideisBears]

Not even gonna name the failure from Wisconsin?? Or do you not consider him a contender for LT?

**** no. He was supposed to be a RT

 

[Matt Suhey]

I also have some serious doubts that in mid season a guy with a lifetime on the left side will make an easy transition to the right side. The muscle memory thing is working way against him. However Kyle is doing pretty well moving one spot over to the right at RT so having Bushrod move from LT to LG seems a reasonable idea.

Here is Hub's grades on the oline after reviewing the tape Kyle did better than some around here are giving him credit for

Kyle Long had a rare bad night. He actually blocked well for the most part but two 15-yard flags can’t happen.

Charles Leno, Jr. has moments in pass protection but also occasional big misses – Melvin Ingram on the strip sack – and is below average as a run blocker, and Vladimir Ducasse and Patrick Omameh at this point are just guys.

The offensive line other than Slauson was a C.

LInk for all the grades http://www.chicagofootball.com/2015...lshon-jeffery-after-monday-night-win/ao74cb0/

 

[Larsonite]

Lets be honest, Kyle is struggling at RT. He has given up 5 sacks this year and 3 holding penalties. Most by any O-lineman on our team.

That being said, might as well let him finish the year out at RT and see if he figures it out. He seemed to have the skill set to play anywhere but perhaps not.

You don't take a pro bowl guard and make him an average RT.

Here is hoping he does better at RT but Kyle Long looks like a guard playing out of place right now.

Long has had no offseason or preseason at RT. He was thrown into the spot when the guys we had sucked. He actually started out pretty decent but has had a bit more trouble recently. Which points to teams watching film and attacking his weaknesses. Given time, he'll fix his issues and defenders will have less to attack. It wouldn't surprise me that he plays at a much higher level next year after an offseason and preseason of preparation. He is still a damn good run blocker.

One of his problems at the moment is holding but that makes sense given he could get away with it a bit more on the interior. He'll fix the little things and will be much better for it.

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[Bearly]

i dont know about bushrod, but moving a player from a position in which he was dominating was fucking stupid IMO.

That's only because you loved seeing Cutler get killed when anyone else played RT.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

oh, yeah? lets see what happens when they face some dominate interior D lineman.

this devaluing of the interior is ridiculous. you dont move a dominate guard simply because, as someone mentioned, "hes to good to be left at guard."

interior play is just as fucking important, arguably more so.

 

[Larsonite]

oh, yeah? lets see what happens when they face some dominate interior D lineman.

this devaluing of the interior is ridiculous. you dont move a dominate guard simply because, as someone mentioned, "hes to good to be left at guard."

interior play is just as fucking important, arguably more so.

That's ridiculous. Tackles get payed more for a reason and are much more talented individuals than guards.

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[Monsieur Tirets]

That's ridiculous. Tackles get payed more for a reason and are much more talented individuals than guards.

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thats ridiculous.

there are a number of teams that value guards more than tackle and believe in building from the interior out. it may not be the popular opinion, but so fucking what?

in 2013 the bears had one of the better lines and it was based around two excellent gaurds whereas the tackles were nothing special.

 

[Larsonite]

thats ridiculous.

there are a number of teams that value guards more than tackle and believe in building from he interior out.

in 2013 the bears had one of the better lines and it was based around two excellent gaurds whereas the tackles were nothing special.

Some teams value guards more than other teams but not more than tackles. The idea is that you can find better guards easier than tackles. But that adds to the point, tackles are more important because they are harder to find. It's not like 2 guards and a center are going to block more defenders because you value the position more. Tackles get stretched wide and end up on an island and must defend their opponent one on one.

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