Buster Olney ranks Cubs infield as the best in baseball

[FirstTimer]

He completely outperformed anyones expectations.

Except for people who projected him as a fast track middle of the order MLB bat........................

Its funny cause you are talking about Klaw and dismissing him and naming MLB as your source.

I'm not dismissing Law. I said there are more talent evaluators out there than him and frankly, Law's report basically agrees with what I'm saying anyways. Tremendous power, advanced approach, fast track etc etc.

I said he outperformed anyones expectations.

Except for people who projected him as a fast track middle of the order MLB bat........................

 

[SilenceS]

Except for people who projected him as a fast track middle of the order MLB bat........................

I'm not dismissing Law. I said there are more talent evaluators out there than him and frankly, Law's report basically agrees with what I'm saying anyways. Tremendous power, advanced approach, fast track etc etc.


Except for people who projected him as a fast track middle of the order MLB bat........................

Yea, so, nothing and now you changed the discussion. Good talk

 

[FirstTimer]

Yea, so, nothing and now you changed the discussion. Good talk

LOL I never changed the discussion I've been talking about Schwarber being a fast track bat the entire time.

Schwarber on draft day: "Best hitter in college, most advanced bat in the draft, fast track middle of the order bat. no real position"

Schwarber today: Got called up less than a year after being drafted and showed himself to have middle of the order bat qualities and be a complete liability in the field.

Still missing how this wasn't foreseeable. He's pretty much met expectations and been as advertised from the second he was drafted.

 

[SilenceS]

LOL I never changed the discussion I've been talking about Schwarber being a fast track bat the entire time.

Schwarber on draft day: "Best hitter in college, most advanced bat in the draft, fast track middle of the order bat. no real position"

Schwarber today: Got called up less than a year after being drafted and showed himself to have middle of the order bat qualities and be a complete liability in the field.

Still missing how this wasn't foreseeable. He's pretty much met expectations and been as advertised from the second he was drafted.

LOL you are either completely irrational when you are wrong or you have gone :hawked: Do you know how few major league players come up in less than a year? Especially, ones on pace for 35 home runs in his rookie season. He outperformed ANYONE's expectations except yours. Evidently, you believe middle of the order bats come up as stars on the reg. Im sure you have the numbers to back that up. Insane

 

[Parade_Rain]

LOL you are either completely irrational when you are wrong or you have gone :hawked: Do you know how few major league players come up in less than a year? Especially, ones on pace for 35 home runs in his rookie season. He outperformed ANYONE's expectations except yours. Evidently, you believe middle of the order bats come up as stars on the reg. Im sure you have the numbers to back that up. Insane

FirstTimer just screwed himself. Maybe his moniker should be changed to SecondTimer.

 

[DanTown]

I think we're getting caught up in the TIME in which Schwarber became the hitter he was but the actual projection of what he would be isn't that different. Maybe people didn't think Schwarber would be a middle of the order bat in his second pro-season but I also don't think his actual development and hitting skill has ever been questioned.

If the question is WHEN will Kyle Schwarber become the hitter he became, he clearly exceeded the time-frame but he didn't really exceed the ABILITY of the hitter that people thought he'd become. The only reason he was an overslot and "easy" draft pick was his clear lack of a position as many say he's a C who can't C. Teams usually don't use top 5 picks on just a bat (especially NL ones).

 

[Diehardfan]

I think we're getting caught up in the TIME in which Schwarber became the hitter he was but the actual projection of what he would be isn't that different. Maybe people didn't think Schwarber would be a middle of the order bat in his second pro-season but I also don't think his actual development and hitting skill has ever been questioned.

If the question is WHEN will Kyle Schwarber become the hitter he became, he clearly exceeded the time-frame but he didn't really exceed the ABILITY of the hitter that people thought he'd become. The only reason he was an overslot and "easy" draft pick was his clear lack of a position as many say he's a C who can't C. Teams usually don't use top 5 picks on just a bat (especially NL ones).

Exactly, he still isn't locked in left field yet. He plays 5 or 6 innings and goes out for defense.

 

[CSF77]

Dude can rake. Late inning sub with the lead. It is nothing new to this game.

The thing with Kyle is his drive to be great and his natural leader instincts. I believe those 2 qualities are the reason why they drafted him.

 

[FirstTimer]

I think we're getting caught up in the TIME in which Schwarber became the hitter he was but the actual projection of what he would be isn't that different. Maybe people didn't think Schwarber would be a middle of the order bat in his second pro-season but I also don't think his actual development and hitting skill has ever been questioned.

If the question is WHEN will Kyle Schwarber become the hitter he became, he clearly exceeded the time-frame but he didn't really exceed the ABILITY of the hitter that people thought he'd become. The only reason he was an overslot and "easy" draft pick was his clear lack of a position as many say he's a C who can't C. Teams usually don't use top 5 picks on just a bat (especially NL ones).

Did he? Even when drafted most people had him in the majors by 2016...and again, he was seen as a fast track middle of the order bat. What time frame did you expect? 2016? 2017?

 

[DanTown]

Did he? Even when drafted most people had him in the majors by 2016...and again, he was seen as a fast track middle of the order bat. What time frame did you expect? 2016? 2017?

Yes. Any hitter who is a major-leaguer in 11 months is fast tracked beyond normal projections. I mean he was in the majors with only 600 PA in the minors. I think a lot of his fast tracking was his summer/fall of 2014 when he basically raked enough to be AA prospect after 200 PA.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yes. Any hitter who is a major-leaguer in 11 months is fast tracked beyond normal projections. I mean he was in the majors with only 600 PA in the minors. I think a lot of his fast tracking was his summer/fall of 2014 when he basically raked enough to be AA prospect after 200 PA.

"Normal projections"? I'm not talking about "normal" projections because the Cubs didn't view Schwarber as a "normal" hitter. What were the Cubs and your expectations on his track? What time frame did you expect? 2016? 2017?

 

[SilenceS]

"Normal projections"? I'm not talking about "normal" projections because the Cubs didn't view Schwarber as a "normal" hitter. What were the Cubs and your expectations on his track? What time frame did you expect? 2016? 2017?

When in doubt, change the story.

"We loved his profile as an elite left-handed bat with power and patience," McLeod said. "Stan Zielinski did a great job with his background and we loved his makeup and leadership. Everything was a fit for the culture we're trying to build here."
As a bonus, Chicago was able to sign Schwarber for $3,125,000 because he wasn't a consensus top-10 prospect. That savings of nearly $1.5 million compared to his assigned pool value helped the team pay seven-figure bonuses to highly regarded high school arms Carson Sands, Justin Steele and Dylan Cease in rounds four through six.
• Complete list of the Cubs' 2014 Draft picks
Since turning pro, Schwarber has exceeded even the Cubs' expectations. He hit .344/.428/.634 and reached the Class A Advanced level in his debut and continued to rake in 2015, even while working diligently on his defense behind the plate. If he's going to remain a catcher, he'll need a lot more time in the Minors, though it's hard to conceive that Chicago won't want him in the middle of its 2016 lineup.
"It's an interesting conundrum," McLeod said. "This guy is quickly becoming a legend in Chicago. We don't have an answer right now. I think if you asked Kyle, he'd tell you he still wants to catch, but that's still to be determined. There are so many possibilities. All I know is that it's fun to watch him swing the bat."

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/154613860/chicago-cubs-draft-kyle-schwarber

 

[ChiSoxCity]

I don't hang in forums of teams I don't follow anymore. I loved the Sox when it was owned by Veck. After the winning ugly season I lost interest as I was a Cub fan first. Well I guess I mostly followed Carey over to the Cubs.

Now on the 2005 team. They won it enough said. I really doesn't matter that they have been a long lasting team or not. On the current team they have a few strong players. Not sure on their farm system in general. They have been picking high just like the Cubs but obviously Theo had a stronger plan (results speak for itself)

Results speak for themselves? Wow, it's really easy to please Cubs fans. All you have to do is tank the seasons for 5 years straight and hoard position prospects.

See, a Sox fan would actually wait for the team to win something before declaring how "strong" some suit's plan is. Tanking is easy. Pocketing revenues and not spending any money on the club for 5 or 6 years is easy. Winning a championship utilizing this method is extremely hard. You need to realize how absurd you sound to the rest of the non-koolaid drinking world. The Cubs still haven't won shit and until they do, you will always be los4ers.

 

[FirstTimer]

When in doubt, change the story.

I haven't changed the story.



The Cubs didn't see Schwarber as a "normal" hitter. Hence why the took a shitty defensive player #4 overall. So why then should we judge Schwarber on some sort of "normal" arc for hitters when he wasn't ever seen as that.

I'm still waiting to hear: What were the Cubs and your expectations on his track? What time frame did you expect? 2016? 2017?

I think your article is funny because it cites the Cubs expectations and it's not a quote from the Cubs or even gives context to what the expectations were.

You're intellectually bankrupt on this...as usual.

 

[bamainatlanta]

I remember when Schwarber was drafted, thats all I heard was that he could crush the ball but his defensive issues would lead him to be drafted as DH for the most part

 

[SilenceS]

I haven't changed the story.



The Cubs didn't see Schwarber as a "normal" hitter. Hence why the took a shitty defensive player #4 overall. So why then should we judge Schwarber on some sort of "normal" arc for hitters when he wasn't ever seen as that.

I'm still waiting to hear: What were the Cubs and your expectations on his track? What time frame did you expect? 2016? 2017?

I think your article is funny because it cites the Cubs expectations and it's not a quote from the Cubs or even gives context to what the expectations were.

You're intellectually bankrupt on this...as usual.

“It was an organization-wide love affair with the kid,” president of baseball operations Theo Epstein said. “He’s exceeded our expectations to this point, but (there’s) a long way to go. He’ll be the first one to tell you that — a lot of hard work ahead. But he’s not afraid of hard work.

“He’s a team-first guy. He’s the kind of kid you want on your side, and obviously it’s a real potent bat with power, with early pitch recognition out of the hand. I think he’s going to hit good pitching when it’s all said and done. And I think he’s going to catch for awhile, too.”

Schwarber had been sort of seen as a reach with that fourth pick, almost the consolation prize in a draft with three pitchers dominating the headlines, someone who made a below-slot deal ($3.125 million signing bonus).

http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/betting-kyle-schwarber-already-paying-cubs

 

[JosMin]

Worst team in baseball.

 

[FirstTimer]

“It was an organization-wide love affair with the kid,” president of baseball operations Theo Epstein said. “He’s exceeded our expectations to this point, but (there’s) a long way to go. He’ll be the first one to tell you that — a lot of hard work ahead. But he’s not afraid of hard work.

“He’s a team-first guy. He’s the kind of kid you want on your side, and obviously it’s a real potent bat with power, with early pitch recognition out of the hand. I think he’s going to hit good pitching when it’s all said and done. And I think he’s going to catch for awhile, too.”

Schwarber had been sort of seen as a reach with that fourth pick, almost the consolation prize in a draft with three pitchers dominating the headlines, someone who made a below-slot deal ($3.125 million signing bonus).

http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/betting-kyle-schwarber-already-paying-cubs

LOL you ever hear of "coach speak"? Epstein also goes on to say he's going to "catch for a while too." He seemed to have meant that too!...................... Jesus you're all naive.

Epstein also told Gammons ON DRAFT DAY that they feel they got the best hitter in the draft and the most MLB ready hitter but yeah, I'm sure they were SHOCKED to see the most MLB ready hitter in the draft come up and hit well.

"This MLB ready hitter fast track hitter really shocked us by making it to the MLB quickly and hitting!" is essentially what you're accusing Theo of saying/thinking. What do you think is more likely? Theo knows more than you from the day they drafted the kid or he just got lucky and was "surprised" when a top 5 pick made it to the bigs and was pretty good?

Spend two seconds thinking about that and then ban yourself.

The Cubs didn't see Schwarber as a "normal" hitter. Hence why the took a shitty defensive player #4 overall. So why then should we judge Schwarber on some sort of "normal" arc for hitters when he wasn't ever seen as that.

I'm still waiting to hear: What were the Cubs and your expectations on his track? What time frame did you expect? 2016? 2017?


You're intellectually bankrupt on this...as usual.

FYI..later in your article:

We were able to really go into that room and turn off the outside influence,” amateur scouting director Matt Dorey recalled. “We just really (challenged) each other about who we felt was the best player for that pick, and for the Cubs, and where we were going.

“Once we were able to kind of strip away the static and get that out of our vision, we were able to listen to our area scout — (Stan Zielinski) — who’s one of the best scouts on our staff. He’s been doing it forever.

“Stan was as convicted as I’ve ever heard him talking about this player, and this person, and how it aligned with our philosophy moving forward.

“So I’m not surprised with (how) he’s competed and how he’s performed with the bat

He still has a lot of work to do, but he’s doing exactly what he’s always done in his career, and sometimes I think we overlook that, because he’s always gone out and competed. He’s always gone out and hit. He’s always gone out and been a great teammate. So if he would have done anything other that that, I would be surprised.”

But hey...way to read through the entire article.

 

[SilenceS]

LOL you ever hear of "coach speak"? Epstein also goes on to say he's going to "catch for a while too." He seemed to have meant that too!...................... Jesus you're all naive.

Epstein also told Gammons ON DRAFT DAY that they feel they got the best hitter in the draft and the most MLB ready hitter but yeah, I'm sure they were SHOCKED to see the most MLB ready hitter in the draft come up and hit well.

"This MLB ready hitter fast track hitter really shocked us by making it to the MLB quickly and hitting!" is essentially what you're accusing Theo of saying/thinking. What do you think is more likely? Theo knows more than you from the day they drafted the kid or he just got lucky and was "surprised" when a top 5 pick made it to the bigs and was pretty good?

Spend two seconds thinking about that and then ban yourself.

The Cubs didn't see Schwarber as a "normal" hitter. Hence why the took a shitty defensive player #4 overall. So why then should we judge Schwarber on some sort of "normal" arc for hitters when he wasn't ever seen as that.

I'm still waiting to hear: What were the Cubs and your expectations on his track? What time frame did you expect? 2016? 2017?


You're intellectually bankrupt on this...as usual.

FYI..later in your article:



But hey...way to read through the entire article.

How far does your narcissism go?

Also, let me get this right. Its coach speak when he says he outperformed expectations but its not coach speak when he said we should have expected this? OKK? So, you have yet to show one projection that had him doing what he did last year? You keep trying strawman(Badly, might I add) and spinning circles because you jumped the gun on one sentence because you were most likely bored. Now, your complete sense of, I can never be wrong kicked in and you trying to hold on any form of sentence you can.



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[chibears55]

I find it extremely surprising that a top draft pick is doing well. That rarely happens in professional sports.

I find it surprising that for what 3 days now they been on this schwarber disagreement. .. [emoji3]

Besides, wouldn't surprise me if they end up trading schwarber by next off season, especially if he continues to be ehhh defensively in LF.