Caleb Williams Under Pressure

[bamainatlanta]

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On Caleb Williams. From Dan Cryer, of Kennewick, Washington: “I thought your original ‘I saw him for one game and he’s not that good’ take on Williams was a little out of character for you, but your follow-up after the USC-Notre Dame game has an ‘I told you so’ pettiness about it. It seems like you’re targeting Williams for no apparent reason.”

You would have to invent words from my few paragraphs on Williams from the Oct. 2 column to find me saying Williams is “not that good.” I never did, Dan. I simply said he had all day to throw against Colorado and he’ll very rarely have all day to throw in the NFL, particularly playing for what’s likely to be the bad NFL team that drafts him—probably with a suspect offensive line. Read my note about him last week: I watched the three-interception game at Notre Dame and saw him play poorly under pressure and wrote what I saw. As Bruce Feldman of The Athletic wrote the other day, PFF has Williams as its 175th-ranked quarterback under pressure (fifth-worst in college football) in 2023. That’s an issue scouts will want answers to.

(Note: he ranked 1st in 2022 under pressure)

What to make of Caleb Williams' performance in loss to Notre Dame

Presumed No. 1 pick Caleb Williams put forth an uncharacteristic performance — in which he earned a 49.7 passing grade and made a career-high four turnover-worthy plays — against Notre Dame in Week 7.

www.pff.com

 

[Beast15]

Thankfully Bagent turned out to be QB1

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Regardless of how we feel about our current QB's.... it's in our best interests for CW to play well. Same thing with Maye.

 

[remydat]

FMIA Week 7: Hurts and Philly push forward; Jackson and Ravens look lethal

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On Caleb Williams. From Dan Cryer, of Kennewick, Washington: “I thought your original ‘I saw him for one game and he’s not that good’ take on Williams was a little out of character for you, but your follow-up after the USC-Notre Dame game has an ‘I told you so’ pettiness about it. It seems like you’re targeting Williams for no apparent reason.”

You would have to invent words from my few paragraphs on Williams from the Oct. 2 column to find me saying Williams is “not that good.” I never did, Dan. I simply said he had all day to throw against Colorado and he’ll very rarely have all day to throw in the NFL, particularly playing for what’s likely to be the bad NFL team that drafts him—probably with a suspect offensive line. Read my note about him last week: I watched the three-interception game at Notre Dame and saw him play poorly under pressure and wrote what I saw. As Bruce Feldman of The Athletic wrote the other day, PFF has Williams as its 175th-ranked quarterback under pressure (fifth-worst in college football) in 2023. That’s an issue scouts will want answers to.

(Note: he ranked 1st in 2022 under pressure)

What to make of Caleb Williams' performance in loss to Notre Dame

Presumed No. 1 pick Caleb Williams put forth an uncharacteristic performance — in which he earned a 49.7 passing grade and made a career-high four turnover-worthy plays — against Notre Dame in Week 7.

www.pff.com

Not sure where he is getting his PFF data from as I just checked and Williams is 39th if you exclude guys with less than 60 passing attemptd under pressure.

And yes he was 1st last year.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Regardless of how we feel about our current QB's.... it's in our best interests for CW to play well. Same thing with Maye.

People keep saying this. I understand the concept but at some point you have to deal with the reality. CW and Maye are NOT playing well against better competition.

I know we were all hoping to get a haul at a bare minimum. But if we end up with the first pick (CAR) and because of the wins, say a pick somewhere between 4 to 10, we may want to switch our gears in terms of Demands. In such a situation I would want to draft MHJ number one overall and potentially trade down slightly our second overall pick in order to get one for the following year so that way we maintain the two picks a year in the first round thing in the event we need to trade up and draft a quarterback in 2025.

 

[bamainatlanta]

People keep saying this. I understand the concept but at some point you have to deal with the reality. CW and Maye are NOT playing well against better competition.

I know we were all hoping to get a haul at a bare minimum. But if we end up with the first pick (CAR) and because of the wins, say a pick somewhere between 4 to 10, we may want to switch our gears in terms of Demands. In such a situation I would want to draft MHJ number one overall and potentially trade down slightly our second overall pick in order to get one for the following year so that way we maintain the two picks a year in the first round thing in the event we need to trade up and draft a quarterback in 2025.

If its MHJ @ #1, then Williams & Maye likely go 2nd & 3rd. That will kill the trade market

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

People keep saying this. I understand the concept but at some point you have to deal with the reality. CW and Maye are NOT playing well against better competition.

I know we were all hoping to get a haul at a bare minimum. But if we end up with the first pick (CAR) and because of the wins, say a pick somewhere between 4 to 10, we may want to switch our gears in terms of Demands. In such a situation I would want to draft MHJ number one overall and potentially trade down slightly our second overall pick in order to get one for the following year so that way we maintain the two picks a year in the first round thing in the event we need to trade up and draft a quarterback in 2025.

This is all WAY too premature. Get back to me in 10 weeks.

And the reality is CW and Maye are both going to be top picks if they come out unless they completely shit the bed the next 5 games. QB's are allowed to have an off game or two.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

People keep saying this. I understand the concept but at some point you have to deal with the reality. CW and Maye are NOT playing well against better competition.

I know we were all hoping to get a haul at a bare minimum. But if we end up with the first pick (CAR) and because of the wins, say a pick somewhere between 4 to 10, we may want to switch our gears in terms of Demands. In such a situation I would want to draft MHJ number one overall and potentially trade down slightly our second overall pick in order to get one for the following year so that way we maintain the two picks a year in the first round thing in the event we need to trade up and draft a quarterback in 2025.

This is what an idiot who doesn't know anything would do

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

mmmm I am still in the sign Cousins (gross) and/or trade with the <team here> for ( QB / DE / LT ) and picks for Carolina (hopefully 1).

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

If its MHJ @ #1, then Williams & Maye likely go 2nd & 3rd. That will kill the trade market

Those are likely your top three no matter what even in spite of their performances.

The true generational Prospect in this draft is Marvin Harrison Jr. Taking him is worth more than a bundle of picks.

If that means you miss out on a trade down because of that so be it.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

FMIA Week 7: Hurts and Philly push forward; Jackson and Ravens look lethal

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On Caleb Williams. From Dan Cryer, of Kennewick, Washington: “I thought your original ‘I saw him for one game and he’s not that good’ take on Williams was a little out of character for you, but your follow-up after the USC-Notre Dame game has an ‘I told you so’ pettiness about it. It seems like you’re targeting Williams for no apparent reason.”

You would have to invent words from my few paragraphs on Williams from the Oct. 2 column to find me saying Williams is “not that good.” I never did, Dan. I simply said he had all day to throw against Colorado and he’ll very rarely have all day to throw in the NFL, particularly playing for what’s likely to be the bad NFL team that drafts him—probably with a suspect offensive line. Read my note about him last week: I watched the three-interception game at Notre Dame and saw him play poorly under pressure and wrote what I saw. As Bruce Feldman of The Athletic wrote the other day, PFF has Williams as its 175th-ranked quarterback under pressure (fifth-worst in college football) in 2023. That’s an issue scouts will want answers to.

(Note: he ranked 1st in 2022 under pressure)

What to make of Caleb Williams' performance in loss to Notre Dame

Presumed No. 1 pick Caleb Williams put forth an uncharacteristic performance — in which he earned a 49.7 passing grade and made a career-high four turnover-worthy plays — against Notre Dame in Week 7.

www.pff.com

Ya don't say

 

[DanielCCSBears]

People keep saying this. I understand the concept but at some point you have to deal with the reality. CW and Maye are NOT playing well against better competition.

I know we were all hoping to get a haul at a bare minimum. But if we end up with the first pick (CAR) and because of the wins, say a pick somewhere between 4 to 10, we may want to switch our gears in terms of Demands. In such a situation I would want to draft MHJ number one overall and potentially trade down slightly our second overall pick in order to get one for the following year so that way we maintain the two picks a year in the first round thing in the event we need to trade up and draft a quarterback in 2025.

Yes you've said this already.

But you don't build a team by hoping to get lucky by drafting a guy between 11 and 25 every year.

The Bears had their Top-2 talent fall into their laps and they fucking blew it.

The next guy will be a 50-50 5 year starter at best. You have to aim for the Trevor Lawrence Calvin Johnson type of players when you're there otherwise you wind up in a never ending cycle of shit.

You have to get Nick Bosa Myles Garrett Aidan Hutchinson Trevor Lawrence Joe Burrow type players when they're available.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Yes you've said this already.

But you don't build a team by hoping to get lucky by drafting a guy between 11 and 25 every year.

The Bears had their Top-2 talent fall into their laps and they fucking blew it.

The next guy will be a 50-50 5 year starter at best. You have to aim for the Trevor Lawrence Calvin Johnson type of players when you're there otherwise you wind up in a never ending cycle of shit.

You have to get Nick Bosa Myles Garrett Aidan Hutchinson Trevor Lawrence Joe Burrow type players when they're available.

Trevor Lawrence? Lol
Good player but he ain’t no generational QB like the other guys you mentioned.

 

[94c4lt1]

Regardless of how we feel about our current QB's.... it's in our best interests for CW to play well. Same thing with Maye.

For trade value, yes. For the Bears who are evaluating potential QB replacements, it is in their best interest that Maye and CW show all their warts and their collegiate play properly mirrors what their play at the NFL level would be. That way, you can make the best informed decision as possible. That’s really what’s in the best interest of the Bears.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Trevor Lawrence? Lol
Good player but he ain’t no generational QB like the other guys you mentioned.

Okay I get it you don't like Lawrence. But he took the Jags to the playoffs in his second season with virtually no help after dealing with Urban Meyer and that shit show in year one and then went out and beat the Chargers in the playoffs. If you're doing that in year two you're pretty good.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Okay I get it you don't like Lawrence. But he took the Jags to the playoffs in his second season with virtually no help after dealing with Urban Meyer and that shit show in year one and then went out and beat the Chargers in the playoffs. If you're doing that in year two you're pretty good.

No help? He had a coach that won a super bowl with nick foles at qb. A 1st rnd rb and they sunk a ton of money in skill players (whether they were smart money spent is beside the point)

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Yes you've said this already.

But you don't build a team by hoping to get lucky by drafting a guy between 11 and 25 every year.

The Bears had their Top-2 talent fall into their laps and they fucking blew it.

The next guy will be a 50-50 5 year starter at best. You have to aim for the Trevor Lawrence Calvin Johnson type of players when you're there otherwise you wind up in a never ending cycle of shit.

You have to get Nick Bosa Myles Garrett Aidan Hutchinson Trevor Lawrence Joe Burrow type players when they're available.

But you also need to understand you don't build a team by drafting a quarterback every 4 years, replacing your head coach and GM every 3 to 8 years, and the entire time doing very little to protect your quarterback investment over the entire cycle no matter who was in charge.

The quarterback is the hardest position to get right in the NFL. If you can build a good team for a quarterback to jump into that is going to help them succeed a lot better than putting them in a horrible situation and then that building around them which is the Bears track record going back to ever since I've been a bears fan. Or really to be fair the last time the Bears had a good offensive line was the year they went to the Super Bowl.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the cliche definition of insanity and yet that is what you endorse. Forgive me for wanting to take a different approach that will at the very least if successful yield winning seasons and yearly trips to the playoffs. Because with a good solid team and an average veteran fa quarterback you can do that much. As for the draft position, I guess you never heard of trading up. Suddenly all those picks don't mean as much if your team other than the quarterback is already built so you can sell out whatever picks you have for a year to get the guy you really want and you think will really succeed rather than just getting the hot name in a year because he's that guy that year.

Dude, just be honest instead of expecting us to accept the same Insanity we've always done. There's a quarterback you really like this year and you're not tolerating any arguments against whomever your guy is.

You are trying to dress an emotional argument in a logical one but a lot of us can see right through it because we've been through that before and we are tired of it. We want some damn entertaining football to watch. Not to see some other overhyped college Prospect fail and repeat the same cycle I denoted in this post.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

But you also need to understand you don't build a team by drafting a quarterback every 4 years, replacing your head coach and GM every 3 to 8 years, and the entire time doing very little to protect your quarterback investment over the entire cycle no matter who was in charge.

The quarterback is the hardest position to get right in the NFL. If you can build a good team for a quarterback to jump into that is going to help them succeed a lot better than putting them in a horrible situation and then that building around them which is the Bears track record going back to ever since I've been a bears fan. Or really to be fair the last time the Bears had a good offensive line was the year they went to the Super Bowl.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the cliche definition of insanity and yet that is what you endorse. Forgive me for wanting to take a different approach that will at the very least if successful yield winning seasons and yearly trips to the playoffs. Because with a good solid team and an average veteran fa quarterback you can do that much. As for the draft position, I guess you never heard of trading up. Suddenly all those picks don't mean as much if your team other than the quarterback is already built so you can sell out whatever picks you have for a year to get the guy you really want and you think will really succeed rather than just getting the hot name in a year because he's that guy that year.

Dude, just be honest instead of expecting us to accept the same Insanity we've always done. There's a quarterback you really like this year and you're not tolerating any arguments against whomever your guy is.

You are trying to dress an emotional argument in a logical one but a lot of us can see right through it because we've been through that before and we are tired of it. We want some damn entertaining football to watch. Not to see some other overhyped college Prospect fail and repeat the same cycle I denoted in this post.

The only one that's emotional here is you because you're emotionally attached to Justin Fields.

 

[Bearcub13]

FMIA Week 7: Hurts and Philly push forward; Jackson and Ravens look lethal

www.nbcsports.com

On Caleb Williams. From Dan Cryer, of Kennewick, Washington: “I thought your original ‘I saw him for one game and he’s not that good’ take on Williams was a little out of character for you, but your follow-up after the USC-Notre Dame game has an ‘I told you so’ pettiness about it. It seems like you’re targeting Williams for no apparent reason.”

You would have to invent words from my few paragraphs on Williams from the Oct. 2 column to find me saying Williams is “not that good.” I never did, Dan. I simply said he had all day to throw against Colorado and he’ll very rarely have all day to throw in the NFL, particularly playing for what’s likely to be the bad NFL team that drafts him—probably with a suspect offensive line. Read my note about him last week: I watched the three-interception game at Notre Dame and saw him play poorly under pressure and wrote what I saw. As Bruce Feldman of The Athletic wrote the other day, PFF has Williams as its 175th-ranked quarterback under pressure (fifth-worst in college football) in 2023. That’s an issue scouts will want answers to.

(Note: he ranked 1st in 2022 under pressure)

What to make of Caleb Williams' performance in loss to Notre Dame

Presumed No. 1 pick Caleb Williams put forth an uncharacteristic performance — in which he earned a 49.7 passing grade and made a career-high four turnover-worthy plays — against Notre Dame in Week 7.

www.pff.com

When I watch college QBs I try to keep a few things in mind. First, it is college, only about 10% of the players will be pros, so a QB can pick on the inferior athletes on the field. Second, college QBs are not asked to do even 1/4 as much as an NFL QB, so it should look easy for a good college QB. Finally, decision making, decision making, decision making, it is only going to get harder in the pros. When Williams was anointed going into this season, I wanted to watch some of his games to get a feel for his abilities, so far he has been wildy uneven, he is not blessed with a good defense so he is being forced to make risky plays to keep up. For all of the folks on the CW bandwagon, how many of them had even the slightest idea that Tyson Badgett could play some?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

The only one that's emotional here is you because you're emotionally attached to Justin Fields.

Yeah, ok. Where did I bring up Fields? That's a tell, dude.

You just proved I hit the on calling you out.

Seriously, every time, just have to give you guys enough rope with which to hang your own damn self LOL.

None of you ever see it coming and you guys always walk right into it...