Can Will Anderson catch? Can Jalen Carter block?

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I think the less talented position of the Bears is the front seven.
Linebackers is the new "runningbacks" - next guy in.
We have the worst sack rate in the NFL. We need to make pressure to the QB.
We need an healthy offensive line and i'm sure we can upgrade it with FA.
We can select a good WR in the second round.

Whitehair, Jenkins and B.Jones are good. We neeed a Center and a RT.

Did you watch yesterday?

 

[Davide]

Did you watch yesterday?

Yes, i watched every single Bears match from 2006.
I'm not saying that Whitehair is an all star, but our guards are very very good in running game and need a big help in passing game with tackles.
That's my opinion. 17 sacks in all year. Eagles have 55.

 

[remydat]

Who?

The 9ers actually have talent on offense.

Figure Fields has maybe one or two more years left playing “hero ball” where he does everything before his body starts breaking down. Games like yesterday are not sustainable long term.

Let’s not ruin him.

They have the best coach in football. They have a world class OL, they have deebo samuel, they have aiyuk, they just brought in mccaffrey, they have Kittle .....

Who exactly are the bears good young talent on offense? Kmet, mooney and claypool (mid end talent at best imo), Tevin Jenkins who already has serious back concerns .... The OL depth is non existent and the starters are garbage. I like Herbert and montgomery but again they are middle of the road and not great at pass catching. Velus jones looks useless this year, maybe he can provide any semblance of value next year.

Other than Fields the bears have a bunch of long shot prospects and only a few good young prospects on offense. The defense has a few good prospects, but the DL youth has done absolutely nothing this year after flashing some in week 1.

This team is devoid of talent. Yes they need to bring in a few veterans, but on offense there ain't much to be excited about other than Fields.

Fields, Herbert, Mooney, Claypool, Kmet, Jones, Jenkins. That is 7 starters 25 or younger. Resign Monty or go get a guy ljke Barkley. Sign an older vet WR to a short term deal. Sign 2-3 vet OL. Any rookies should be guys that start only if they earn it not guys forced to start because we have holes.

In addition to those guys who should be sure starters you have guys like ESB, VJJ and Harry that are fine as 4th, 5th and 6th WRs that will have 2 offseasons in the offense. You also have Borom that can be the swing tackle.

There arent any guys in top half of draft om O that are surefire starters IMO. Of course if we trade down then that changes the equation. By contrast there are legit Day 1 starters on D available early in draft.

 

[remydat]

Did you watch yesterday?

SMH Whitehair had given up 0 sacks and 7 pressures going into yesterday. Literally graded out as 10th best pass blocker at guard.

You are usually not a meatball Baba. Dont go judging things based off of one game especially when stunts are usually the fault of the G and T as when the DT goes first the T has to let the G know as the G cant see the DE until it is too late.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I’d rather have two or three starting Oline in this case.

Jenkins is the only one who’s play I was 100% about and he was carted off yesterday.

I LOVE Braxton but I need a plan B in place as well in case he doesn’t take the next step.

Both lines are awful. Oline is just more important to me because we have JF1 back there.

Are you saying that if the Bears are picking at number 2, you would want them to take either a WR or OT even if they can not trade down?

Highest rated OT is Peter Skoronski from Northwestern. He is rated as the 7th best player in the draft.
Highest rated WR is Jordan Addison from USC. He is rated as the 22nd best player in the draft.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

So if the Bears are picking at 2, you would rather have either of them over Jalen Carter or Will Anderson who are considered the best players in the draft?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Fields, Herbert, Mooney, Claypool, Kmet, Jones, Jenkins. That is 7 starters 25 or younger. Resign Monty or go get a guy ljke Barkley. Sign an older vet WR to a short term deal. Sign 2-3 vet OL. Any rookies should be guys that start only if they earn it not guys forced to start because we have holes.

In addition to those guys who should be sure starters you have guys like ESB, VJJ and Harry that are fine as 4th, 5th and 6th WRs that will have 2 offseasons in the offense. You also have Borom that can be the swing tackle.

There arent any guys in top half of draft om O that are surefire starters IMO. Of course if we trade down then that changes the equation. By contrast there are legit Day 1 starters on D available early in draft.

So you agree with me at least that they need to sign 2-3 starting OL.

Borom should not be relied upon for anything and should be fighting to just make the roster.

ESB. VJJ and Harry can be ejected into the sun for all I care.

They don’t need to sign an older vet WR. They need a top 2 pick spent on one.

 

[sphinxnole]

Until yesterday I was satisfied with the Oline play but yesterday scared me. It could just be because of the Eagles’ talent in the front four, but after seeing the complete whiffs on the DLine stunts I think they need 4 replacements along the Oline.

I believe JF1 is the FRANCHISE and I don’t want another year of him running for his life. I want him comfortable like he was against the Pack. Again it could just be the Eagles are that good, but those stunts made Whitehair and Jones look like Middle School…

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Are you saying that if the Bears are picking at number 2, you would want them to take either a WR or OT even if they can not trade down?

Highest rated OT is Peter Skoronski from Northwestern. He is rated as the 7th best player in the draft.
Highest rated WR is Jordan Addison from USC. He is rated as the 22nd best player in the draft.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

So if the Bears are picking at 2, you would rather have either of them over Jalen Carter or Will Anderson who are considered the best players in the draft?

LOL at CBS sports.

Hopefully they fix the line in free agency.

Fine with a trade down if needed.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

SMH Whitehair had given up 0 sacks and 7 pressures going into yesterday. Literally graded out as 10th best pass blocker at guard.

You are usually not a meatball Baba. Dont go judging things based off of one game especially when stunts are usually the fault of the G and T as when the DT goes first the T has to let the G know as the G cant see the DE until it is too late.

I know you love your grades but I just don’t think they work well for Oline.

All I know is my eyes tell me that line has a long ways to go.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

LOL at CBS sports.

Hopefully they fix the line in free agency.

Fine with a trade down if needed.

Ok that is a valid suggestion that we should trade down. But I think you know that reaching for a player at pick 2 would be a disaster. If they stay at 2, they have to take either Carter or Anderson or Poles needs to be fired by McCaskey literally before the next pick is made.

I prefer trading down as well because we could get what you said and get multiple first round picks as well. The thing is though that it takes 2 teams to trade. There are no simulations in the actual draft. So we have to get a fair trade and that might not always happen.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Ok that is a valid suggestion that we should trade down. But I think you know that reaching for a player at pick 2 would be a disaster. If they stay at 2, they have to take either Carter or Anderson or Poles needs to be fired by McCaskey literally before the next pick is made.

I prefer trading down as well because we could get what you said and get multiple first round picks as well. The thing is though that it takes 2 teams to trade. There are no simulations in the actual draft. So we have to get a fair trade and that might not always happen.

Yeah I don’t want to reach for anyone.

 

[remydat]

So you agree with me at least that they need to sign 2-3 starting OL.

Borom should not be relied upon for anything and should be fighting to just make the roster.

ESB. VJJ and Harry can be ejected into the sun for all I care.

They don’t need to sign an older vet WR. They need a top 2 pick spent on one.

Disagree Borom is a useful player. 12 pressures and 4 sacks is perfectly acceptable for a swing tackle.

We will still need depth and these WRs will know the offense. Expect one or 2 of them to stick around.

They need to sign someone that can be counted on IMO. This WR class does not have top end talent and this O is not easy to digest. Even Watson in GB took over half a season to grasp it and outside of TDs he still hasnt been all that great.

Not saying we cant draft a WR. I am saying I dont want to count on a rookie WR being the No 3. Especially if I dont sign a RB for decent money like Barkley then I see if I can get a Meyers, Slayton or Lazard (knows O) for 10-12m a year or so. If a rookie can come in and outperform Mooney, Claypool and Meyers/Slayton/Lazard then that is gravy. Keep in mind that we dont know how Moonry is going to come back from a pretty brutal injury.

I know you love your grades but I just don’t think they work well for Oline.

All I know is my eyes tell me that line has a long ways to go.

I didnt just give you grades. I also gave you his sack and pressure numbers which are very good. He had a bad game but has been pretty good for most of the year.

 

[rawdawg]

So you agree with me at least that they need to sign 2-3 starting OL.

Borom should not be relied upon for anything and should be fighting to just make the roster.

ESB. VJJ and Harry can be ejected into the sun for all I care.

They don’t need to sign an older vet WR. They need a top 2 pick spent on one.

WR will be interesting. Claypool was the big move at WR. And because they have to potentially pay Claypool and Mooney after 2023, they can't really sign a FA WR for big money. They probably aren't going to trade for another WR because they already gave up a high 2nd for Claypool.

I don't necessarily think they need a true #1 WR. I think if they can maximize Claypool and Mooney and use them the way they perform best, they can be a productive offense. The Niners and Seahawks have borderline #1s at best and have productive offenses (DK and Deebo each only have one 1200 yard season, Deebo back down to Earth this year, DK down to Earth last year). But they could add a slot guy early in this draft and I think they'd be fine. Even if not Addison or JSN in the top 15, they can potentially get Zay Flowers in the 2nd. Claypool, Mooney, Flowers, Velus and a couple cheap FAs could be good enough, especially if you simply use Montgomery more as a receiver or replace him with a dynamic weapon (what I'd prefer).

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Disagree Borom is a useful player. 12 pressures and 4 sacks is perfectly acceptable for a swing tackle.

We will still need depth and these WRs will know the offense. Expect one or 2 of them to stick around.

They need to sign someone that can be counted on IMO. This WR class does not have top end talent and this O is not easy to digest. Even Watson in GB took over half a season to grasp it and outside of TDs he still hasnt been all that great.

Not saying we cant draft a WR. I am saying I dont want to count on a rookie WR being the No 3. Especially if I dont sign a RB for decent money like Barkley then I see if I can get a Meyers, Slayton or Lazard (knows O) for 10-12m a year or so. If a rookie can come in ans outperform Mooney, Claypool and Meyers/Slayton/Lazard then that is gravy.



I didnt just give you grades. I also gave you his sack and pressure numbers were are very good.

Is Borom healthy now? If he is, and they’re playing Leatherwood doesn’t that tell us the staff is done with him? I just don’t remember of he’s healthy or not currently

 

[doctorbear]

That’s why Poles is a dumbass for not taking a WR last year and then trading an amazing pick for a bust in Claypool. This offense will always be a disaster.

 

[I Just Want To Read]

We have young guys on O already. We we are missing is good veteran players which we should find in free agency.

You build a whole team not just one side of the ball. The Niners are on their 3rd string QB and winning because their D and run game makes it easy on the QB. Poles and Flus have already said that is what they believe in ie making it easier on the QB by playing great D and using the run game to take pressure off.

Our offensive supporting cast sucks other than the RB room which is a position with a short shelf life.

Fixing the WR room has got to be a priority but it's tough to figure out how it can be done this offseason.

 

[remydat]

Is Borom healthy now? If he is, and they’re playing Leatherwood doesn’t that tell us the staff is done with him? I just don’t remember of he’s healthy or not currently

No they know what they have in Borom and may just want to see Leatherwood in live game action. We are talking about him sticking as a backup not a starter.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

WR will be interesting. Claypool was the big move at WR. And because they have to potentially pay Claypool and Mooney after 2023, they can't really sign a FA WR for big money. They probably aren't going to trade for another WR because they already gave up a high 2nd for Claypool.

I don't necessarily think they need a true #1 WR. I think if they can maximize Claypool and Mooney and use them the way they perform best, they can be a productive offense. The Niners and Seahawks have borderline #1s at best and have productive offenses (DK and Deebo each only have one 1200 yard season, Deebo back down to Earth this year, DK down to Earth last year). But they could add a slot guy early in this draft and I think they'd be fine. Even if not Addison or JSN in the top 15, they can potentially get Zay Flowers in the 2nd. Claypool, Mooney, Flowers, Velus and a couple cheap FAs could be good enough, especially if you simply use Montgomery more as a receiver or replace him with a dynamic weapon (what I'd prefer).

Agree WR will be interesting. I’m kinda down on Mooney at the moment. I need to see more next year before thinking about second contracts.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

No they know what they have in Borom and may just want to see Leatherwood in live game action. We are talking about him sticking as a backup not a starter.

That goes against everthing Flus has said. He’s been adamant best players play.

 

[remydat]

Our offensive supporting cast sucks other than the RB room which is a position with a short shelf life.

Fixing the WR room has got to be a priority but it's tough to figure out how it can be done this offseason.

Sign Meyers/Lazard/Slayton.

WR will be interesting. Claypool was the big move at WR. And because they have to potentially pay Claypool and Mooney after 2023, they can't really sign a FA WR for big money. They probably aren't going to trade for another WR because they already gave up a high 2nd for Claypool.

I don't necessarily think they need a true #1 WR. I think if they can maximize Claypool and Mooney and use them the way they perform best, they can be a productive offense. The Niners and Seahawks have borderline #1s at best and have productive offenses (DK and Deebo each only have one 1200 yard season, Deebo back down to Earth this year, DK down to Earth last year). But they could add a slot guy early in this draft and I think they'd be fine. Even if not Addison or JSN in the top 15, they can potentially get Zay Flowers in the 2nd. Claypool, Mooney, Flowers, Velus and a couple cheap FAs could be good enough, especially if you simply use Montgomery more as a receiver or replace him with a dynamic weapon (what I'd prefer).

Mooney nor Claypool are not guarantees. If you can add a FA WR for 10-12m then you do it. Cant assume Mooney is fully healthy next year or doesnt lose a step. At this point that injury probably depresses his value.