Can Will Anderson catch? Can Jalen Carter block?

[rawdawg]

RT and C are the only immediate needs on the OL. I dont think Whitehair gets cut

I think Brax and Jenkins are fine where they are and just need experience

Well, Whitehair apparently suffered a bad knee injury on Sunday so, if you don't cut him, you need a starting guard for probably half the season anyway. And you pay Whitehair 14.1Mil for the other half of the season, which as I've said, they weren't going to do even if he was healthy.

 

[remydat]

1. The bears have continued to sign vets to shorter/cheaper deals since forever. It keeps the line a float but doesn’t build to anything. If you want a good offense you need a good OL, and in order to do that they need to spend money and draft capital. Continuing to get guys like Germaine ifedi, Reif, sitton, etc … it patches a hole but it’s not enough. Spend some money and draft picks. I like jones potential but by no means has he locked down the LT spot. With yet another injury to Jenkins they need to seriously invest by signing at least 2 players and drafting at least 1 with the expectation of starting.

2. There aren’t guys that are surefire starters in the NFL on offense in round 1? Are you joking? I agree defense looks better especially at the top of round 1 but there’s no way a guy like skoronski wouldn’t expect to be a day 1 starter. Even in this weaker WR class I’d expect a wr to start day 1. Let Mooney slide back to slot assuming he comes back ready to go.

1. I said nothing about getting guys like Ifedi or Reiff. If you see any of my proposals it is to get guys like Conklin or E Jenkins ie likely top FA on the OL. I would also expect us to draft OL just not at 2 as don't think anyone is worth it. I already said if we trade down then adding an OL and WR may make sense but not with a top 5 pick IMO as don't think any OL or WR is worth it that high.

2. I don't think any WR in this draft class is better than Mooney or Claypool nor do I think any is as NFL ready as say Wilson or Olave was. I would much rather we spend the money and get a WR like Slayton, Lazard or Meyers who Fields can actually trust. But again if we drop lower in the first like the teens then a WR becomes more viable. I don't like Skoronski. I don't think he clearly would beat out Jones and I certainly would not spend a top 5 pick on a G or RT prospect. But again if we trade down that is a different question.

 

[remydat]

Yeah, that's fine and all, but reliable chain mover isn't that valuable to me. And you know who else is a reliable chain mover? Byron Pringle. 42 catches last year, and 39 of them went for 1st downs. That's a reliable chain mover. Meyers has 29 first downs on 52 catches this year, for comparison. Pringle was much cheaper than Meyers will be and based on the single criterium of moving chains, he was better.

A #1 WR is valuable to me. And while the Bears aren't likely to get a #1 WR, they have a much better chance to get one thru the draft than to pay a guy 12M who is proven not to be a #1.

Yeah comparing Pringle to Meyers makes no sense in terms of actual production. Meyers has averaged over 51 to 58 yards a game the last 3 years with questionable QB play which projects to 850-986 yards over a season. Pringle has averaged over 12.5 yards a game only once and that was last year. So Meyers has a consistent level of play that can be projected. Pringle has had one decent year in the NFL where he still only averaged 33 yards a game. Having said that, would have no problem bringing Pringle back as he is likely to be dirt cheap as has been a lost year for him.

Well, Whitehair apparently suffered a bad knee injury on Sunday so, if you don't cut him, you need a starting guard for probably half the season anyway. And you pay Whitehair 14.1Mil for the other half of the season, which as I've said, they weren't going to do even if he was healthy.

You would owe Whitehair a sizeable injury settlement if you tried to cut him while injured so that would be silly. You don't know what they will do. You just are presuming your preference is also their preference.

 

[SugarWalls]

1. I said nothing about getting guys like Ifedi or Reiff. If you see any of my proposals it is to get guys like Conklin or E Jenkins ie likely top FA on the OL. I would also expect us to draft OL just not at 2 as don't think anyone is worth it. I already said if we trade down then adding an OL and WR may make sense but not with a top 5 pick IMO as don't think any OL or WR is worth it that high.

2. I don't think any WR in this draft class is better than Mooney or Claypool nor do I think any is as NFL ready as say Wilson or Olave was. I would much rather we spend the money and get a WR like Slayton, Lazard or Meyers who Fields can actually trust. But again if we drop lower in the first like the teens then a WR becomes more viable. I don't like Skoronski. I don't think he clearly would beat out Jones and I certainly would not spend a top 5 pick on a G or RT prospect. But again if we trade down that is a different question.

I misread your post I thought you were asking to sign vets to a 1-2 year deal, which no quality player would look to sign unless looking for a prove it year.

Certainly doesn't look like any WR worth taking top 5.

I'm not a scout but from the measureables Skoronski seems somewhat similiar to Mcglinchey who the 9ers drafted at pick 9. Granted they have the luxury of having Richardson at LT but still if this is the team we want to model after, or any other successful franchise for that matter, they draft OL and DL high. If Carter/Anderson are off the board with a slight trade back I would rather skoronski than the WR available. I don't see why he couldn't beat out Jones and if not he should easily beat out any competition at RT unless they sign a proven vet that is healthy.

 

[rawdawg]

Yeah comparing Pringle to Meyers makes no sense in terms of actual production. Meyers has averaged over 51 to 58 yards a game the last 3 years with questionable QB play which projects to 850-986 yards over a season. Pringle has averaged over 12.5 yards a game only once and that was last year. So Meyers has a consistent level of play that can be projected. Pringle has had one decent year in the NFL where he still only averaged 33 yards a game. Having said that, would have no problem bringing Pringle back as he is likely to be dirt cheap as has been a lost year for him.



You would owe Whitehair a sizeable injury settlement if you tried to cut him while injured so that would be silly. You don't know what they will do. You just are presuming your preference is also their preference.

I was only comparing them as "chain movers" in response to the comment I quoted. Pringle was thought to be a chain mover as well, and he was a much cheaper chain mover than Meyers projects to be. I know Meyers is the better WR, hence why he will be paid more. But him being paid more is also the reason why I'd rather not go after him.

IDK what you're talking about an injury settlement. They will cut him after the season/at the start of the league year, as they've done many other players. Most recently, Tarik Cohen was cut while injured. Where's his big injury settlement? And you're being intentionally dense. I'm not saying I know what the Bears will do. I'm just piling on to what I've already said and you've already argued (which will be proven incorrectly when the league year starts) that Whitehair is not in the 2023 Bears plans, healthy or not.

 

[remydat]

I misread your post I thought you were asking to sign vets to a 1-2 year deal, which no quality player would look to sign unless looking for a prove it year.

Certainly doesn't look like any WR worth taking top 5.

I'm not a scout but from the measureables Skoronski seems somewhat similiar to Mcglinchey who the 9ers drafted at pick 9. Granted they have the luxury of having Richardson at LT but still if this is the team we want to model after, or any other successful franchise for that matter, they draft OL and DL high. If Carter/Anderson are off the board with a slight trade back I would rather skoronski than the WR available. I don't see why he couldn't beat out Jones and if not he should easily beat out any competition at RT unless they sign a proven vet that is healthy.

Yeah I want to address the OL and DL in FA and then go BPA for the most part in the draft. I don't like the idea of draft a guy top 10 unless they are a LT. RT and G/C are generally available late in the first and in later rounds. The other thing is even if a RT is great, it is less likely you give them a 2nd contract if you also have to pay big money to a LT. So I prefer to draft guys top 10 that you have no doubt you would give a 2nd contract to if they are great which to me is QB, pass rusher, CB, LT, WR

 

[remydat]

I was only comparing them as "chain movers" in response to the comment I quoted. Pringle was thought to be a chain mover as well, and he was a much cheaper chain mover than Meyers projects to be. I know Meyers is the better WR, hence why he will be paid more. But him being paid more is also the reason why I'd rather not go after him.

IDK what you're talking about an injury settlement. They will cut him after the season/at the start of the league year, as they've done many other players. Most recently, Tarik Cohen was cut while injured. Where's his big injury settlement? And you're being intentionally dense. I'm not saying I know what the Bears will do. I'm just piling on to what I've already said and you've already argued (which will be proven incorrectly when the league year starts) that Whitehair is not in the 2023 Bears plans, healthy or not.

Yeah and my point is you are paying for a better all around WR who can also move the chains.

What is an injury settlement? - National Football Post

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If you cut Whitehair when he is still injured then you have to agree an injury settlement. If you are claiming he is going to miss half the season next year and he agrees then you would pay him for the 8-9 games you are saying he will miss. If you can't agree then you most likely have to put him on IR until he is healthy and he gets full salary on IR.

Not being dense, you said they weren't going to do it as if it was fact. Just making it clear that is just your opinion.

 

[SugarWalls]

Yeah I want to address the OL and DL in FA and then go BPA for the most part in the draft. I don't like the idea of draft a guy top 10 unless they are a LT. RT and G/C are generally available late in the first and in later rounds. The other thing is even if a RT is great, it is less likely you give them a 2nd contract if you also have to pay big money to a LT. So I prefer to draft guys top 10 that you have no doubt you would give a 2nd contract to if they are great which to me is QB, pass rusher, CB, LT, WR

I don't think this is actually accurate to what teams these days are doing though, and it makes sense as if your RT is weak the other team will move their pass rushers to abuse that point. Just look at what reddick did last week against the Bears.

Additionally, lets say Jones does develop, does he really project to a top 10 tackle? Maybe. Maybe he develops to top 15 but I'd be shocked if he turned into a top 5 player or anything like that. Bears could potentially get away with spending upper middle at both spots.

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Eagles have one of if not the best OL in football, for a handful of reasons including depth. They pay Lane Johnson 18mil per, and LT mailota 16 mil

McGlinchey is due a pay day, ill be curious to see what the 9ers do here.

Lots of young players on rookie contracts on that RT list. I'd expect the average salary to bump up quite a bit here.

The other benefit of drafting a RT is that they will be cheap for those first 4-5 years. If you want to move on after that contract so be it, but if you want to sign a good one like Conklin you are going to have to open the wallet. That money might be better spent re-signing players or adding to DL.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

1. I said nothing about getting guys like Ifedi or Reiff. If you see any of my proposals it is to get guys like Conklin or E Jenkins ie likely top FA on the OL. I would also expect us to draft OL just not at 2 as don't think anyone is worth it. I already said if we trade down then adding an OL and WR may make sense but not with a top 5 pick IMO as don't think any OL or WR is worth it that high.

2. I don't think any WR in this draft class is better than Mooney or Claypool nor do I think any is as NFL ready as say Wilson or Olave was. I would much rather we spend the money and get a WR like Slayton, Lazard or Meyers who Fields can actually trust. But again if we drop lower in the first like the teens then a WR becomes more viable. I don't like Skoronski. I don't think he clearly would beat out Jones and I certainly would not spend a top 5 pick on a G or RT prospect. But again if we trade down that is a different question.

Mooney was a huge disappointment this year IMO. I definitely think there’s better in the draft.

If you’re going to spend money on a WR then just get JuJu. Only WR available that moves the needle at all.

 

[remydat]

I don't think this is actually accurate to what teams these days are doing though, and it makes sense as if your RT is weak the other team will move their pass rushers to abuse that point. Just look at what reddick did last week against the Bears.

Additionally, lets say Jones does develop, does he really project to a top 10 tackle? Maybe. Maybe he develops to top 15 but I'd be shocked if he turned into a top 5 player or anything like that. Bears could potentially get away with spending upper middle at both spots.

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Eagles have one of if not the best OL in football, for a handful of reasons including depth. They pay Lane Johnson 18mil per, and LT mailota 16 mil

McGlinchey is due a pay day, ill be curious to see what the 9ers do here.

Lots of young players on rookie contracts on that RT list. I'd expect the average salary to bump up quite a bit here.

The other benefit of drafting a RT is that they will be cheap for those first 4-5 years. If you want to move on after that contract so be it, but if you want to sign a good one like Conklin you are going to have to open the wallet. That money might be better spent re-signing players or adding to DL.

Oh I know some teams do it but I don't prefer it. Also Lane and Jordan are on different time scales. Jordan's cap hits are 4m this year and 7m next year so doesn't jump to 21m until 2024. Lane jumps up to 24 next year but then goes back down to 14m when Jordan gets expensive. Eagles can do that as Jordan is 25 and Lane is 33. That would be tougher to do when Jones and a 1st round RT are around the same age because then they will both expect to get paid big money within a year or two. With Jordan and Lane, you most likely move on from Lane when he is 35 so you aren't overlapping big money with Jordan.

So I would rather sign a RT for some money now while Jones is cheap and then a year before you need to move on from that RT because you have to pay Jones, you draft a RT to replace. Always better IMO to have things staggered like that as that was my point about the Bears already having some young talent. Need to add some good pricey vets and then use the draft to eventually replace them before the young guys get paid.

 

[remydat]

Mooney was a huge disappointment this year IMO. I definitely think there’s better in the draft.

If you’re going to spend money on a WR then just get JuJu. Only WR available that moves the needle at all.

Disagree on both fronts. Fields took time to find himself and Mooney suffered. You aren't putting up big numbers when you QB is throwing for 150 yards.

Juju is not better than Slayton/Meyers/Lazard imo. He is mostly a zone beater and struggles in man and we need a guy that can win one on one in man IMO.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Disagree on both fronts. Fields took time to find himself and Mooney suffered. You aren't putting up big numbers when you QB is throwing for 150 yards.

Juju is not better than Slayton/Meyers/Lazard imo. He is mostly a zone beater and struggles in man and we need a guy that can win one on one in man IMO.

Yeah, we disagree bigly here.

 

[rawdawg]

Yeah and my point is you are paying for a better all around WR who can also move the chains.

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If you cut Whitehair when he is still injured then you have to agree an injury settlement. If you are claiming he is going to miss half the season next year and he agrees then you would pay him for the 8-9 games you are saying he will miss. If you can't agree then you most likely have to put him on IR until he is healthy and he gets full salary on IR.

Not being dense, you said they weren't going to do it as if it was fact. Just making it clear that is just your opinion.

Ok, fine. Injury settlement. Still makes more sense than keeping him at 14.1M as was my original point. They are paying him some money next year either way. Whether it's injury settlement or waiver wire, IT IS MY OPINION (which I didn't know I had to specify on a message board) that he wasn't in the 2023 and beyond plans either way. This injury just makes that decision much easier.

 

[rawdawg]

Yeah, we disagree bigly here.

He's right about this. Juju is not good.

And Mooney had 493 of the 1826 receiving yards thru 12 games for right at 27% of the passing game. Last year with 1055 yards he was at 29% of the passing game. Pretty much right in line, especially when you consider he missed 68% of the snaps in the game he got injured. If the Bears were passing the ball at the same level (and he stayed healthy) he would have finished right around 1000 yards this season.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

He's right about this. Juju is not good.

And Mooney had 493 of the 1826 receiving yards thru 12 games for right at 27% of the passing game. Last year with 1055 yards he was at 29% of the passing game. Pretty much right in line, especially when you consider he missed 68% of the snaps in the game he got injured. If the Bears were passing the ball at the same level (and he stayed healthy) he would have finished right around 1000 yards this season.

We also disagree

 

[remydat]

Yeah, we disagree bigly here.

It happens. You can't be right all the time

Ok, fine. Injury settlement. Still makes more sense than keeping him at 14.1M as was my original point. They are paying him some money next year either way. Whether it's injury settlement or waiver wire, IT IS MY OPINION (which I didn't know I had to specify on a message board) that he wasn't in the 2023 and beyond plans either way. This injury just makes that decision much easier.

Not if Whitehair's agent says it should be more than that as they would need to agree. Furthermore, not really in his interest to agree on an injury settlement if he isn't going to be ready by Week 1 as once Week 1 hits, his salary for the year is fully guaranteed. If he is going to be healthy before Week 1 then makes no sense to offer him an injury settlement and instead you just wait until he is healthy to cut him.

Prior to the Eagles he had 7 pressures and 0 sacks. So makes little sense to cut him and create a hole as doubt you are going to find a replacement that good. Having said hat he had an abysmal game against the Eagles where he went from 0 sacks all year to giving up 4 in one game but think you fascination with cutting him is odd. Until Sunday he was never really the problem on the OL.

 

[rawdawg]

It happens. You can't be right all the time


Not if Whitehair's agent says it should be more than that as they would need to agree. Furthermore, not really in his interest to agree on an injury settlement if he isn't going to be ready by Week 1 as once Week 1 hits, his salary for the year is fully guaranteed. If he is going to be healthy before Week 1 then makes no sense to offer him an injury settlement and instead you just wait until he is healthy to cut him.

Prior to the Eagles he had 7 pressures and 0 sacks. So makes little sense to cut him and create a hole as doubt you are going to find a replacement that good. Having said hat he had an abysmal game against the Eagles where he went from 0 sacks all year to giving up 4 in one game but think you fascination with cutting him is odd. Until Sunday he was never really the problem on the OL.

You call it a fascination with cutting him, I call it wanting to improve the OL.

And I'm not just talking out my ass here. The 4 sacks Sunday just puts him overall about where his ability is at this stage in his career. He had a bunch of strong games and the worst game for almost any lineman all year. It's been smoke and mirrors most of this season. Hes not a 0 sack type of pass blocker (PFF grade in pure pass sets shows this). He's been mediocre overall. He was mediocre last year. And will likely be mediocre at best in 2023 based on age and now an injury history that you try to make out wasn't an issue in past conversations on the subject.

My opinion isn't based on not liking Cody or necessarily wanting him gone. There's layer's to everything. I was expecting a horrible game or 2 together him closer to the mean of his ability. I was expecting another potential injury, and expect more going forward due to his age. I expect the Bears to have a lot of interest in Elgton Jenkins who's best position happens to be LG. And I expect that 14.1M price tag to be too much of an issue when comparing his play to players who are in that pay range.

You see him as not the problem, I see him as not a solution. Duct tape fixes problems. Only permanent fixes are a solution. Cody Whitehair is no longer a permanent solution for this OL. Better to get rid of him a year too early than a year too late.

 

[remydat]

You call it a fascination with cutting him, I call it wanting to improve the OL.

And I'm not just talking out my ass here. The 4 sacks Sunday just puts him overall about where his ability is at this stage in his career. He had a bunch of strong games and the worst game for almost any lineman all year. It's been smoke and mirrors most of this season. Hes not a 0 sack type of pass blocker (PFF grade in pure pass sets shows this). He's been mediocre overall. He was mediocre last year. And will likely be mediocre at best in 2023 based on age and now an injury history that you try to make out wasn't an issue in past conversations on the subject.

My opinion isn't based on not liking Cody or necessarily wanting him gone. There's layer's to everything. I was expecting a horrible game or 2 together him closer to the mean of his ability. I was expecting another potential injury, and expect more going forward due to his age. I expect the Bears to have a lot of interest in Elgton Jenkins who's best position happens to be LG. And I expect that 14.1M price tag to be too much of an issue when comparing his play to players who are in that pay range.

You see him as not the problem, I see him as not a solution. Duct tape fixes problems. Only permanent fixes are a solution. Cody Whitehair is no longer a permanent solution for this OL. Better to get rid of him a year too early than a year too late.

But you have not offered anything of substance to suggest the OL will be improved without him. It isn't feasible to find long term solutions for every single position so the logical thing to do is fix the areas in dire need. If after doing that you can improve at LG then fine but yes you are obsessed with this idea of moving on from Whitehair without any real evidence you can actually improve.

Like what is your actually proposal here. Who are you claiming is a significant improvement over Whitehair. How are you going to address C and RT, the entire DL, LB, CB, RB and WR? I would rate all of those spots as priorities over replacing Whitehair.

 

[rawdawg]

But you have not offered anything of substance to suggest the OL will be improved without him. It isn't feasible to find long term solutions for every single position so the logical thing to do is fix the areas in dire need. If after doing that you can improve at LG then fine but yes you are obsessed with this idea of moving on from Whitehair without any real evidence you can actually improve.

Like what is your actually proposal here. Who are you claiming is a significant improvement over Whitehair. How are you going to address C and RT, the entire DL, LB, CB, RB and WR? I would rate all of those spots as priorities over replacing Whitehair.

I literally said Elgton Jenkins by name in the post you quoted. In previous posts in response to you, I have named Nate Davis, Isaac Seumalo, Evan Brown from Detroit, and others. I didn't know I had to do a whole mock offseason for you to justify my opinion.

But anyway, Elgton is a no-brainer. Familiarity with Getsy, Packers likely can't bring him back and have had Zach Tom step up. Can play multiple positions so the Bears can add BPAs in FA and draft and let Elgton play wherever. But ideally, LG is his best position. Put him there. I'd also sign a mid level FA with G/C flexibility (Jon Feliciano, Daniel Brunskill come to mind). I've told you before I would keep Patrick. I'd use one of the first 2 picks on a RT (after a trade down). I'd love to add a developmental C on Day 3 as well, but depends on how they feel about Kramer. Either way, no harm in a Day 3 interior OL in general. So that gives you an OL of:

LT- Braxton Jones
LG- Elgton Jenkins/Brunskill
C- Patrick/Brunskill
RG- Teven Jenkins
RT- rookie (I like Anton Harrison of Oklahoma and Darnell Wright of Tennessee), Borom/Leatherwood

With Carter, Kramer and Diesch fighting it out for 8th/9th OL. Rookie at RT gets the job. If they want to spend on a C and get rid of Patrick, I wouldn't cry about that either. If they want to spend on a RT, I'd be fine with that too. They'll have money to do that and fix everything else.

As for the rest of the positions, I'd spend the money on the DL. Back up a Brinks for Payne. 22M AAV. 2nd highest paid DT to Aaron Donald. If he doesn't hit the market, there's Hargrave, DreMont Jones, and others. I'd sign multiple DTs. One at big money, over 15-18M AAV and another similar to Justin Jones level, preferably a big run stopper (Dalvin Tomlinson, David Oneymata, Greg Gaines, etc). Keep Jones, maybe keep Watts, add a day 3 pick.

At DE, I wouldn't spend huge money like Ngakoue or Davenport, but I'd get a solid starter similar to Muhammad but actually good (Omenihu, Ebukam, Rasheem Green), then I'd look to add a DE early. Obviously, if you stay at 2, Will Anderson mans the other end with Robinson and Gipson as backups. If you trade down and get an extra pick in the first 2 rounds, I would use them on OT, WR, DE in any order. Wouldn't hurt to add another cheap FA or late draft pick here either.

At LB, I'd add a stud. TJ Edwards seems like a no brainer here. In Philly where Ian Cunningham helped bring him in, college teammate and mentor for Sanborn. Way better than a Morrow level signing, not near the money you'd have paid Roquan. Also draft a guy here, late day 2 or early day 3.

CB is interesting. I wouldn't go big money here but wouldn't hesitate to add an 8-10M guy. I'd lean toward a guy with speed over a Rock Ya-Sin or Bradberry, though I wouldn't turn them down if no more than 10M AAV. Thinking more Cam Sutton or Emmanuel Mosely. Always love late round CBs, small school guys that can run and be developed. Chiefs have a history of such moves with Sneed, Keyes, and Fenton.

RB, I'd be looking to splurge. They probably aren't getting a #1 WR. They probably aren't going to try to replace Kmet or appease 2 TEs with enough receptions (Shanahan offense never throws to 2 TEs consistently) to sign a 1B TE. So, I'd look to really upgrade the weapons at RB. Barkley would be a pipe dream, if he's allowed to leave. I'd pay him highest RB in the league money though, IDC. Josh Jacobs, sure. Pollard, if on the market, give him 12-14M AAV. Lower end, give me Miles Sanders, Devin Singletary, Raheem Mostert or Jeff Wilson. Guy with more speed than Montgomery, who is a solid receiver out of the backfield but wouldn't take too many carries from Herbert.

WR, this is where a trade down would be good. I love Johnston from TCU, but Bears need a separator from the slot. Smith-Njigba would be nice. Zay Flowers in the 2nd. I'd be interested to see what Mecole Hardman gets in free agency. Not a great WR, but would add a nice speed element. Probably going to sign someone non-long term. I'd be interested on Zaccheus (ATL), Campbell (IND), Hardman (KC), Justin Watson (KC) if any would sign a 1 or 2 year deal for around what Pringle got.

 

[remydat]

Yeah and I already told you I would sign Jenkins and keep Whitehair and start one of them at C because Patrick has been trash. Both have a long history of being better than Patrick and we dont need the money saved cutting Whitehair so why weaken the team if the goal is to protect Fields. The other guys you mentioned I already looked at their grades and pressure stats and they dont actuall move the needle unless you can sign them for less than the 5m you save cutting Whitehair.