Carcillo Suspended 2 Games

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So he was shoved alot harder. The motion was there to shove him and luckily there was no injury which would have gotten car bomb more games

You can't just brush over that fact. The force of the hit/shove is the main discussion here. Letting up and not following through with full force shows there is no intent to injure or break the rules. It's a natural instinct for the trailing player to put up his arms to brace for contact in that position. It's a very common play and you can't eliminate it from the game.

All you can eliminate is the urge for the trailing player to follow through with a full hit/shove which can cause injury. Carcillo clearly didn't follow through with a forceful hit. Ovechkin did.

One resulted in an injury and a penalty on the ice. The other resulted in neither.
 

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Edited to add: (I got a chance to check out the video on YouTube -which I hadn't before) this one seems more like it would be an issue between the league's front office and the on ice officials.

---and after looking at it- maybe the on ice guys need a talking to - that looked like a penalty to me. Unfortunately the angle I saw cut out at what point looked about to be one hell of a slash on Pitkanen from behind as well. (Leastwise 13's stick was up pretty high).

It actually looks worse than the Ovechkin hit on Campbell.

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To be fair, I can't watch even the most basic video here without a massive amount of buffering -so I blow it off many times, for just that reason. I can understand how something as basic as that can be probably taken for granted (andyeh it is a little like still living in 1999 for me). For your consideration.
 
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Maybe I'm just still bitter at Carcillo for his pre-Hawks days, but I have to tell you, that kind of shit can break somebody's neck. Shoving a dude from behind into the boards is the worst on-ice shit there is in my opinion. It wasn't a lot of force, but he clearly shoved the from behind, into the boards, and that merited AT LEAST a two minute minor. I'm not sure about the suspension, but it surely should have been a PP...
 

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Its bad shit when theres some real force behind the hit and there is a pretty clar intent to crumple the guy into the boards.

Any other time, its a hockey play. A dangerous one yes, but if you want to remove all defensive contact from that play, you are starting down a very soft and dangerous path. I dont want to see that.

And if Im going to keep talking about this, ill go ahead and say that some of the responsibility is on the player who reaches the puck first. Knowing that you have back pressure, play it accordingly... With caution. Clearly if the chaser wants to give you a strong shove, thats unavoidable and he should penalized accordingly.

And hey, we all know Carcillo has a file with the Nhl and thats kinda how it should be- repeat offenders etc. Im guessing that was the driving factor behind the suspension. Hossa didnt get tagged when he did it and rightfully so.
 

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You can't just brush over that fact. The force of the hit/shove is the main discussion here. Letting up and not following through with full force shows there is no intent to injure or break the rules. It's a natural instinct for the trailing player to put up his arms to brace for contact in that position. It's a very common play and you can't eliminate it from the game.

All you can eliminate is the urge for the trailing player to follow through with a full hit/shove which can cause injury. Carcillo clearly didn't follow through with a forceful hit. Ovechkin did.

One resulted in an injury and a penalty on the ice. The other resulted in neither.

-The other thing I didn't do is read posts (I still haven't -not that much time to do that).

Ok, here's the thing - it is a valid point about pushing; however here is the thing - the high sticking rule was changed to eliminate intent as an issue for giving out penalties -the onus was on the player to keep control of their stick -and if it came up and clipped someone -no matter what the reason - the player got a penalty - if there was blood, generally it was a major instead of a minor.

What I'm getting at is that maybe the logic behind this is similar (for the NHL head office), that the players need to be responsible for their own positioning.

It was a dangerous play, anything that happens that close to the boards is dangerous -particularly when you got another guy piled on top of you - you the initial slidee (the one going to impact the boards first), have limited control over what you can do about protecting yourself (in some cases nothing).

I still think this is largely an issue behind the scenes between the head office officiating administration guys and their on-ice officials.

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If you look at how the league started calling what used to be legitimate stick checking as "hooking" a few years ago - they are being consistent at least ... although, I do get that it does make things different on the ice.
 

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You know, if they'd change the icing rule to eliminate the race that would damned sure fix a lot of this too...
 

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You know, if they'd change the icing rule to eliminate the race that would damned sure fix a lot of this too...

I'm confused how it would in this case.

They have atleast started handing out penalties if you hit a guy who touches up for icing.

The NHL has been looking into different aspects of how to go about icing. Calling an automatic icing if it passes the goal line. Having the nearest linesman decide if there is a legitimate race and who is going to win it, either calling icing immediately or waiving it off.
 

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Writer, in this case it wouldn't have mattered because it wasn't a potential icing. That's just usually where you see that deal. A dude skates his ass off to touch up the puck and the dude behind him creams his ass into the boards. It would start making icing even more of a judgment call though and I'm not sure that's good either. I don't really know I just hate to see the completely defenseless dude get drilled from behind face-first into the boards.
 

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Writer, in this case it wouldn't have mattered because it wasn't a potential icing. That's just usually where you see that deal. A dude skates his ass off to touch up the puck and the dude behind him creams his ass into the boards. It would start making icing even more of a judgment call though and I'm not sure that's good either. I don't really know I just hate to see the completely defenseless dude get drilled from behind face-first into the boards.

i dont know what league you are watching? but in the NHL i watch i never see this happen to a player going back for icing? the icing rule is fine no need to change it
 

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i dont know what league you are watching? but in the NHL i watch i never see this happen to a player going back for icing? the icing rule is fine no need to change it

I agree they are usually on a dump and chase play
 

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