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I am on day 2 of returning to Atkins, and I may try to get some IF going as well.
So f***ing fat rn
So f***ing fat rn
Carnivore and IF carnival. Come join the fun!
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Back on my grind, did lose 9 pounds over a 36 hour champagne diet. Weddings man
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Carnivore diet is basically a meat only diet. There are different levels of acceptance. There are some who will literally eat nothing but meat. Others just eat animal products which means they can eat eggs and some dairy along with meat. The dairy is usually always limited to grass-fed butter and possibly some cheese since it has next to no carbs.
Keto was a bit difficult in the beginning for me cause I jumped in without thorough knowledge of it but combined with IF, there's no way to really go wrong. If you don't do keto quite right, IF picks up the slack. After learning all the ins and outs of keto and really what makes it as effective as it is, I thought up of a good small core of food that I'd eat most frequently and over the next several months, it just became the food I crave most so kinda went on autopilot after that, not sweating if I was getting enough of the good fats or too much carbs cause I knew the food I'd chose was plenty keto friendly.
It's extremely easy for me now. I eat a lot of meat, favorite being steak, then salmon. I'll have a lot of chicken and burgers too. Chicken not really fatty enough for keto but I dip that in lots of mayo which I like a lot. Make my own mayo. Only takes a minute to make a batch. Idea is you want to avoid store bought mayo cause it uses the inferior type oils and fats so you make your own with olive oil and/or avocado oil. I eat a lot of eggs and bacon too. My 2 main vegetables are broccoli and spinach. I put a lot of butter on that stuff cause I like it like that and Keto likes when you add fat to foods.
As far as it being easy to get kicked out of keto and having to start over again, that's not really true. Firstly, it doesn't take that long to get into ketosis. Secondly, when combined with Intermittent Fasting, it's going to be easier to maintain ketosis. Also need to consider how long you've been doing keto cause the longer you do it, the more fat adapted you'll be and the quicker you'll go right back into ketosis even when kicked out of it. And it's not like your gonna die if your body has to burn sugar as fuel instead of fat for a bit. Even while following keto, you are going to get small amounts of sugar that the body is going to burn as fuel til it's used up. Nobody will ever just be burning fat 100% of the time. It's more like you're a hybrid that burns mostly fat as fuel.
Personally, I think it's silly when people worry about getting kicked out of ketosis. You're not going to lose all the benefits you gained cause of one day of slipping up. I've been doing it for over 1.5 years and have absolutely no fear of being kicked out of ketosis. I never feel a need to "cheat" anymore or really even get a craving to but I am not afraid to either cause I'm that set and satisfied in this keto way of eating. Offer me a sweet potato every now and then and I won't feel inclined to decline. We go into the city now and then, don't usually spend the whole day there so don't usually grab a meal there but last time we made a day of it, the kids and wife wanted to go eat at this pizza place. My daughter has a friend who's father owns it and it's free when we inform him we'll be in that area so who's gonna say no to free NYC pizza? Had damn near a whole pie by myself and threw in a couple of garlic knots for good measure. Next day, just out of curiosity, I got out the old keto mojo to measure ketones. I'd say about 14-16 hours had passed since I'd eaten that pizza and the reading was at 1.0 mmol/L so not even a bump in the road really. Right back to my keto self, happy with my keto food as if it was nothing but a thing. I like pizza but I don't crave it or need it and I much prefer a big steak. It's really a lot easier than most people think to change eating habits. Just have to give the new way of eating enough time to become your new habit.
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Ahh, indeed he is. I'm aware of the carnivore thing and, being keto, there have been days in which I've eaten nothing but meat but it's nothing I'd feel the need to do religiously or even for longer periods of time. It's basically just that extra step beyond Keto in which rather than greatly restrict carbs, you totally eliminate them cause meat has no carbs. And Atkins is actually a rip-off of Keto, not vice versa as many believe. What Atkins did was try to get the benefits of Keto while being more relenting with carbs and allowing more in as one progresses through the Atkins diet. It's alright but it ain't Keto so it falls well short in the end...and in the beginning, too, depending on which Atkins program you do. There's the Atkins 20, Atkins 40, Atkins 100 and maybe they've even come up with more. I wouldn't suggest it to anybody though cause it's just a diet with an end goal and then like 99% of other dieters who lose weight, you'll gain the weight back and likely more.
If you're trying to lose weight, there is nothing that will do that better than fasting. Keto was brought about ~ 100 years ago to treat certain disease, originally targeted to specifically treat epilepsy and proved to be effective at that. The idea behind it was to allow one to eat in a way that would closely imitate fasting. This was done by greatly increasing fats while all but eliminating sugar and carbs in general. Fasting has been used throughout history to heal. Of the 3 macronutrients, fat has the least affect on insulin levels rising. This is 1 of the keys to it all. It's where Atkins fails and Keto and IF thrive.
Don't believe the BS about losing muscle or wrecking your metabolism with IF and/or keto either. The opposite is true, unlike all other standard diets. Both have been shown in studies to be muscle sparing and beneficial to your metabolism as well. The metabolism actually gets wrecked on low calorie diets in which carbs are not being limited enough. The metabolism then makes adjustments to make that lesser amount of sugar fuel it's getting last longer since there's not as much coming in. It will also take glycogen from muscles in order to have more sugar to burn as fuel when there is an absence of food, or not enough food, coming in. With Keto, you force your body to use fat as its main source of fuel cause the carbs simply are not coming in. More often than not, you'll see keto combined with Intermittent Fasting cause the 2 work hand in hand to accomplish the exact same goals. Two of those goals are to keep the insulin level much lower so it returns to base level much quicker (raised insulin blocks access to stored body fat) and also to make the body get fat adapted. Now that your body uses fat as its main source of fuel, it is much quicker to resort to getting that fuel from your stored fat when there is no food coming in and it has no cause to take glycogen from muscles cause its main fuel is now fat and that is readily available as stored body fat.
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This was quite informative for me personally, thx Sparty.
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Really nothing to it. Simplest and cheapest weight control plan there is. Really, most who do it don't just do it to lose weight. Even after they lose the weight they'll stick with it for the health benefits. You need buy nothing or do anything when fasting. It's most often combined with keto to amplify its effects but you don't have to do keto in order for it to work.
There's a ton of youtube channels based around both keto and IF that offer tips and reference studies daily/weekly. Two of the best are Thomas DeLauer and Fledge Fitness. DeLauer incorporates both IF and keto and likes to mix things up doing different IF protocols along the way or even taking a bit of time off from it while sticking with keto. Fledge Fitness mentions keto here and there but doesn't incorporate it himself. He sticks religiously to a 20/4 IF protocol, aka the Warrior Diet. Both put out frequent videos offering tips and doing all the research for you as they constantly reference studies.
I can offer a few IF tips right here off the top of my head.
1. When first starting, look at the different IF protocols and start with the least difficult one. Common protocols are 16/8, 18/6, 20/4 and OMAD. Don't even have to start with 16/8. You can first start by going 12 hours without eating or drinking anything with calories at all and that 12 hours would be centered around your sleep time. So if you sleep 8 hours just stop eating 2 hours before bed and don't start for 2 hours after you wake up or break it up however you want just so you've gone the 12 hours completely fasted. Then work up to 16 hours and beyond.
2. Eat meals much higher in fat and/or protein before starting IF. Food high in protein and fat is much more satiating than foods high in carbs. You'll naturally be able to go longer without feeling hungry.
3. Choose an eating window that is most convenient for you, one you can easily adhere to every day.
4. Don't count calories. That's not what IF is about. It's about getting your body into a fat burning state for several hours a day. At the same time, don't overeat throughout the entire eating window. You don't want to overeat but you don't want to think it's all about calories, if that makes sense. You go by feel. You don't want to feel like you're starving yourself but you don't want to use the time restricted eating as an excuse for binging. You want a slow build up coming out of the fasted window. For example with 18/6, if you plan on eating 3 times in that 6 hours, the first time you eat will be a light meal, more like a snack. The second time would be like a quick lunch, 1 or 2 sandwiches (if not doing keto). The last meal will be the big one where you want to get a lot of protein and fat in to keep you satiated as you go back into the fasting window.
5. With IF, 1 size definitely does not fit all. The idea is to get to the fat burning stage on a daily basis. How long that takes, from the last time you ate, depends on many factors such as what you eat in your eating window, your age and level of activity. This is where people on Keto have a distinct advantage as the food they eat will keep insulin levels lower which means that insulin level will return to base level quicker than one who eats carbs which spike the insulin level higher. Our bodies cannot access stored fat while the insulin level is raised. It can only store more fat with raised insulin levels. For those familiar with Dr. Jason Fung, that's one of the reasons why he harps on taking control of your insulin level above all else.
Youth also has an advantage cause people are generally more active in their youth and the metabolism is more ideal. Our metabolism slows as we age so we just have to deal with it. So a young active person might get amazing results doing a 16/8 or even 14/10 IF while an older, more sedentary person is disappointed with their results doing the same. It doesn't mean IF just won't work for that person at all. They just have to do something more to get them to that fat burning state faster on a daily basis. or they could add more time to their fasting window and get much better results doing a 20/4 or OMAD (One meal a day) . They could also change what they eat and cut out carbs to get better results with a 16/8 or 18/6 IF plan. Can also exercise more and be more active. Can also combine all these things and exercise more while cutting carbs and going longer in the fasting window with the 20/4 Warrior diet or OMAD to get into IF Beast mode.
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20:4 is suiting me best. I enjoy not thinking about food, i.e.,next meal and snacks. I also like the challenge of it. 8 days in and Im down 9 lbs. A lot of water weight for sure, but I'm feeling great!
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Ok, good beer is out of the house and most of the junk has been consumed or I can resist the temptation.
Let’s see how I feel tomorrow after a dinner of steak and a few chunks of gruyere cheese
Let’s see how I feel tomorrow after a dinner of steak and a few chunks of gruyere cheese
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Always that water/bloat weight coming off the first few days.
Then you actually start working on your body fat.
I was 243 on Sunday.... 236.8 last night.
8-9 lbs of real weight loss doesn't happen in 4 days... it is mostly bloat.
I figure end of this week and next week I'll truly be starting.
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I just stopped my keto diet after going from 220 to 169. Took me from Aug 4 to Dec7 th. Then I went on a cruise so I said **** it. Now I am going to go back on it because I truly believe I sleep better and am more clear headed when I am on it. (Some of that might be due to the copious amounts of alcohol). I have put on about 10 lbs in the month since I stopped. But that was a cruise and the holidays. About the only thing I ever missed was eating potatoes. I freaking love hashed brown potatoes and baked potatoes.
@1COBearsfan You said Chicken isn't fatty enough for you. Here is a chicken recipe that is just glorious.
Take a boneless chicken breast and beat the ****** until it is flat like a pancake. Place the chicken over 4 or 5 pieces of bacon. Smear cream cheese over the chicken. Add one bunch of green onions, cheddar cheese. and then roll it up like a burrito and use toothpicks to hold it together. In the oven for 35 minutes at 350.
Mouthwatering.
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Well done on that weight loss.
Kinda OT but since I've started using just a bit of THC edible to help me sleep this week, I feel better.... sleep is a bit easier and I've been sleeping continuously more than before.
Also I can sympathize on the cruise thing lol I went on one in July and came back 10-15lbs heavier.
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That sounds like an acceptable chicken recipe.
We make another chicken recipe in our instant pot that’s fantastic, the only name I know it as is crack chicken. The recipe is easy enough to find so I’ll just list the ingredients. Chicken(we use thighs, not breast) bacon, cream cheese, some form of shredded cheese, a packet of ranch seasoning. We can never make enough of this shit. An entire instant pot full is usually devoured, maybe leaving us with one lunches worth
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Totally. And losing the "bloat" feels great! We should have daily updates. Down to 253 this morning. Let's Fing go!
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Oh it definitely feels good, but I lack any real sense of accomplishment because I know any typical week where I am not drinking/eating like I do on weekend I typically shave off most of the bloat anyways.
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I can already notice less bloat. Cravings are diminishing pretty quickly too. We have a weight loss challenge at work starting in a few weeks so I’ll just weigh myself then. I can’t wait to see the look on the girls face when I tell her I’m on a carnivore diet, should be priceless
I still drink coffee, not sure I can get on board the heresy of cutting out coffee yet. I also still use heavy cream in my coffee so I’m not truly fasting as long as before. When I get through the worst of the adaptation and craving phase I’ll switch back to black coffee and somewhere between 16:8 and 18:6
I also changed the thread title to reflect the IF being discussed here also.
I still drink coffee, not sure I can get on board the heresy of cutting out coffee yet. I also still use heavy cream in my coffee so I’m not truly fasting as long as before. When I get through the worst of the adaptation and craving phase I’ll switch back to black coffee and somewhere between 16:8 and 18:6
I also changed the thread title to reflect the IF being discussed here also.
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9 days back into IF and I've cut 5 LBs from the holidays. Truly incredibly that I can control my weight that easily. All you have to do is not eat lol. The 16/8 IF schedule does wonders for me. I don't have to restrict my diet in anyway. I've always been big into working out so that helps significantly. Gets me out of my work chair for an hour. I do two days of cardio and two days of lifting.
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Tried crack chicken last night. Made it in a crockpot though. It is really good but nothing like the chicken recipe I gave you. They have mostly the same ingredients but taste completely different. Two totally different textures.
Still very good.
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Good, I’m glad you liked it. We made some Friday night with a family pack of chicken thighs that me, wife, & our monstrous toddlers ate almost all of. I’ll be taking the rest for lunch tomorrow
For dinner tonight I had just about the most carnivore plate I can think of, short of tackling an elk and eating it raw. I had beef stir fry, cubed liver, and some egg yolks sautéed in duck fat with a roasted beef marrow bone chunk. No idea what the macro’s are but I’m fucking full
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