Charles Leno

[legendxofxlink]

Pace will give him an ultimatum. Take a pay cut and battle for starting spot or you’ll be cut and probably not get this opportunity again.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

Pace doesn’t have the capital and maybe not even the desire. I’m intrigued if he even called Spain’s agent? Why would Spain pick Bengals over the Bears on a 1 year deal.

 

[JoSeCuERvO]

Leno sucks, we all know that. He appears to be washed up.

But, for being a 7th round draft pick the Bears milked him for all he had and he gave the Bears some good years. Time to move on in the offseason.

did the Bears really milk him or did he milk the Bears. If we look at it from the latter, by drafting him and him doing just well enough i think the Bears missed out on players that could have built their Oline for years

2015 - Ali Marpet or Mitch Morse instead of garbage like White, Grasu
2016 - Laremy Tunsil or Ryan Kelly instead of Floyd

I realize its all hindsight but that has to be looked at when judging a moron like Pace. He's filling some important position with castaways, low round picks and undrafted FA and its just not acceptable.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

did the Bears really milk him or did he milk the Bears. If we look at it from the latter, by drafting him and him doing just well enough i think the Bears missed out on players that could have built their Oline for years

2015 - Ali Marpet or Mitch Morse instead of garbage like White, Grasu
2016 - Laremy Tunsil or Ryan Kelly instead of Floyd

I realize its all hindsight but that has to be looked at when judging a moron like Pace. He's filling some important position with castaways, low round picks and undrafted FA and its just not acceptable.

That would be an issue for the Bears on not realizing what you have. I'm not going to place the blame on Leno taking a contract offered to him lol.

Lets say you work for a company, hired as a low level person and you just kinda do your job to your expectation and then the company comes to you and says 'hey we like what you're doing here's a big raise.' Are you going to say no?

 

[JoSeCuERvO]

That would be an issue for the Bears on not realizing what you have. I'm not going to place the blame on Leno taking a contract offered to him lol.

Lets say you work for a company, hired as a low level person and you just kinda do your job to your expectation and then the company comes to you and says 'hey we like what you're doing here's a big raise.' Are you going to say no?

I get it, and absolutely, there is no way anyone can blame Leno. This all falls on Pace and how poorly he has done his job

 

[gallagher]

It'll be tough to replace two Tackles in one offseason, imo. Makes it easier if you have a guy on the roster already, but not sure Spriggs is that guy yet. Will be interesting to see how he plays the rest of the year.

Either Leno or Massie will be the starter next year and the other starter will be a draft pick most likely.

I still work on the bias that it's easier to find a RT starter than an LT starter in the draft. With that in mind, I'd bet that Massie gets cut, we draft a second round tackle, and let Spriggs fight it out against the draftee. If the draftee can play LT, all the better, but I don't count on that as a possibility going into the draft.

 

[msadows]

I get it, and absolutely, there is no way anyone can blame Leno. This all falls on Pace and how poorly he has done his job

Not really sure how you can blame pace when the large majority of this board loved the leno signing at the time.

Leno was never amazing, but he was an above average tackle until he got paid. After that, the dropoff was drastic.

All signs pointed to him being an average tackle, getting paid a very team friendly salary.

I guess we can blame the GM every time he doesn't have a time machine to predict the future. Pretty sure the only thing you can bank on a players future success is previous success.....There were no signs to leno's drastic decline before he got paid.

Sorry, pace has done plenty of shit moves, but I can't blame him for extending leno. Like I said, majority of this board liked the move. The same majority is cunting about it now. You can't have it both ways. It's not how it works.

 

[Chris Sojka]

Not really sure how you can blame pace when the large majority of this board loved the leno signing at the time.

Leno was never amazing, but he was an above average tackle until he got paid. After that, the dropoff was drastic.

All signs pointed to him being an average tackle, getting paid a very team friendly salary.

I guess we can blame the GM every time he doesn't have a time machine to predict the future. Pretty sure the only thing you can bank on a players future success is previous success.....There were no signs to leno's drastic decline before he got paid.

Sorry, pace has done plenty of shit moves, but I can't blame him for extending leno. Like I said, majority of this board liked the move. The same majority is cunting about it now. You can't have it both ways. It's not how it works.

i think the scheme change pissed a lot of people off.

the o line has been visibly upset on the sidelines.

zone run never got them going. Nagy is calling for play execution from guys who were doing well when Howard was here after he changed things on them.

Nagy is a college head coach

 

[Bearly]

i think the scheme change pissed a lot of people off.

the o line has been visibly upset on the sidelines.

zone run never got them going. Nagy is calling for play execution from guys who were doing well when Howard was here after he changed things on them.

Nagy is a college head coach

Dude, Fox ran zone all day, every day. I cringe every time you post that this line is struggling due to zone because they are not running what they did before Nagy.

 

[msadows]

Dude, Fox ran zone all day, every day. I cringe every time you post that this line is struggling due to zone because they are not running what they did before Nagy.

Difference is foxy had Sitton, Whitehair, and Long in the middle.

Also, Leno performed much better under fox. Massie, id say, has been the same mediocre scrub his entire time here.

 

[Bearly]

Difference is foxy had Sitton, Whitehair, and Long in the middle.

Also, Leno performed much better under fox. Massie, id say, has been the same mediocre scrub his entire time here.

Long was not good since before 2016 when the injury train started rolling over him. Whitehair is still in the middle and Sitton was better than what we have but the point wasn't about personnel. It was a rebuttal to point out that the issue isn't because Nagy doesn't run what Fox did when he goes zone.

 

[The_Shadow]

These can be had for a lot less than $30m.View attachment 8066

And they keep people from passing through.

 

[Mdbearz]

Not really sure how you can blame pace when the large majority of this board loved the leno signing at the time.

Leno was never amazing, but he was an above average tackle until he got paid. After that, the dropoff was drastic.

All signs pointed to him being an average tackle, getting paid a very team friendly salary.

I guess we can blame the GM every time he doesn't have a time machine to predict the future. Pretty sure the only thing you can bank on a players future success is previous success.....There were no signs to leno's drastic decline before he got paid.

Sorry, pace has done plenty of shit moves, but I can't blame him for extending leno. Like I said, majority of this board liked the move. The same majority is cunting about it now. You can't have it both ways. It's not how it works.

I don't blame Pace for giving Leno the extension, because like you said it was warranted, he was playing well. However I do blame him for essentially ignoring the position even though Leno had an entire year of very poor performance on tape. His play in 2019 clearly indicated that he was declining rapidly. Yet FA came and went, nothing; Draft came and went, nothing; Cuts came and went, nothing; Trade Deadline came and went, nothing....

Pace is 100% responsible for knowing that Leno was playing poorly and yet he made zero attempts to provide competition for LT. Spriggs was listed as 2nd string, but he was never given the chance until injuries force our hand.....(Nagy's responsibility).

Pace has his fair share of responsibility for the issues with our O-line.

 

[msadows]

I don't blame Pace for giving Leno the extension, because like you said it was warranted, he was playing well. However I do blame him for essentially ignoring the position even though Leno had an entire year of very poor performance on tape. His play in 2019 clearly indicated that he was declining rapidly. Yet FA came and went, nothing; Draft came and went, nothing; Cuts came and went, nothing; Trade Deadline came and went, nothing....

Pace is 100% responsible for knowing that Leno was playing poorly and yet he made zero attempts to provide competition for LT. Spriggs was listed as 2nd string, but he was never given the chance until injuries force our hand.....(Nagy's responsibility).

Pace has his fair share of responsibility for the issues with our O-line.

Well, to be fair, they signed Spriggs to be a swing tackle. I didn't expect them to replace leno as a starter in FA. Then in the draft there really wasn't any tackle prospects left in the 2nd round. Good tackles rarely hit FA, and when they do they make a killing, and most teams swing tackles are not very good.

Should have taken a risk on one early 3rd day, but those don't usually work out.

Money was the big reason we didn't take on a tackle this offseason. We had a lot of holes to fill and I guess pace hoped that leno would go back to his pre 2019 form. Usually if you look at 4 years vs. 1 year you go with the higher sample size. IT ended up burning him.

I agree with you that nagy has handled oline competition very poorly. Everyones jobs besides Whitehair/Daniels should have been up for grabs during camp.

 

[botfly10]

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[msadows]

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Someone is super happy biden won i assume.

 

[Montucky]

did the Bears really milk him or did he milk the Bears. If we look at it from the latter, by drafting him and him doing just well enough i think the Bears missed out on players that could have built their Oline for years

2015 - Ali Marpet or Mitch Morse instead of garbage like White, Grasu
2016 - Laremy Tunsil or Ryan Kelly instead of Floyd

I realize its all hindsight but that has to be looked at when judging a moron like Pace. He's filling some important position with castaways, low round picks and undrafted FA and its just not acceptable.

Grasu turned out to be pretty good and is a solid starter on San Francisco.

 

[botfly10]

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