Checking other NFCN boards the last 2 days.

Noonthirtyjoe

Well-known member
Joined:
Jul 22, 2013
Posts:
7,930
Liked Posts:
4,243
Football fans outside Chicago still think we will be fighting detoilet for third in our division. Except Lions fans who still believe they will sweep us. These guys are sleeping on us big time. I felt like we could compete before Mack and now I feel if Trubs is ok to good we are the favorites in the North. But my point and thread is about the lack of respect we receive from fans of other NFCN teams. I don't think fans of other teams get the off season we had. None of them have ever had one like it. Beating GB week one will send shock waves across the N. Some of the stuff you read ( Bears handcuffed themselves for multiple drafts) and ( Bear financially ruined the next 5 years) and my personal favorite ( one injury to mack and whole staff and GM fired in 2 years).
So what interesting things have you guys run across?
 

Zion

Magitek Knight
Joined:
Aug 30, 2012
Posts:
11,511
Liked Posts:
5,631
Tbh, I'm still adjusting to the trade too. We went from thinking we'd win 6-8 games to...who knows now. If everything goes well we could be talking playoffs. But it's hard to believe just yet.
 

bearmick

Captain Objectivity
Donator
CCS Hall of Fame '19
Joined:
Aug 20, 2012
Posts:
37,894
Liked Posts:
41,320
It shouldn't be a surprise that other teams boards would have their own noonthirtjoes or dabears70s. Every fan base has homers with absurd predictions and organizational apologists who think everything their front office does is genius.
 

Toast88

Well-known member
Joined:
May 10, 2014
Posts:
13,541
Liked Posts:
13,404
I really wish the Green Bay game was Week 2 instead of 1. Seems like Mack and Roquan's impacts may be much smaller in Week 1 than they will be throughout the rest of the year.

If the Bears beat the Packers Week 1, count me as a believer, as that one game could have big implications. If they lose, they're automatically in a hole right off the bat in the division.
 

iueyedoc

Variant Also Negotiates
Donator
Joined:
Aug 21, 2012
Posts:
21,232
Liked Posts:
26,230
Location:
Mountains to Sea
My favorite teams
  1. Chicago Cubs
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Chicago Blackhawks
  1. Indiana Hoosiers
I really wish the Green Bay game was Week 2 instead of 1. Seems like Mack and Roquan's impacts may be much smaller in Week 1 than they will be throughout the rest of the year.

If the Bears beat the Packers Week 1, count me as a believer, as that one game could have big implications. If they lose, they're automatically in a hole right off the bat in the division.
Losing at home in division puts you in a hole. Losing on the road is not as impactful, esp against a playoff contender, if you can hold serve at home.
3-3 or 4-2 in division is fine to great. Even 2-4 is survivable against the best NFC division.
 

iueyedoc

Variant Also Negotiates
Donator
Joined:
Aug 21, 2012
Posts:
21,232
Liked Posts:
26,230
Location:
Mountains to Sea
My favorite teams
  1. Chicago Cubs
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Chicago Blackhawks
  1. Indiana Hoosiers
So what interesting things have you guys run across?
Someone doesn't like Chuckie

Kurtenbach: Jon Gruden is confirming Raiders fans’ worst fears about his second tenure in charge

J
ALAMEDA — What did you expect Jon Gruden to do?

Did you expect him — fully empowered through a 10-year, $100 million deal — to be passive?

Did you expect him to play a drawn-out game of contract chicken with a defensive player who was looking for quarterback money?

Did you expect him to merely accept the roster he inherited from a franchise that has one winning season in the last 15 years?
ADVERTISING

Because if you thought any of those things were possible, you forgot who we’re dealing with here.

This is Jon Gruden — the ultimate “football guy”. An alpha-male. Someone who abhors nonsense… unless he’s the one delivering it. He’s a micromanager, an ideologue, and a person who can charm you into drinking mediocre beer.

This is not a man who shies away from control.

And this weekend, he made it abundantly clear to the world that has full, unchecked control of the Oakland Raiders.

Deep down, we always knew this was the case. Gruden’s control wasn’t disputed (except by him), but until this weekend, it wasn’t fully exerted.

I think it’s fair to say that trading away the Raiders’ best player, Khalil Mack — despite the fact that he is in his prime and under team control for at least two more years — is a bold proclamation of one’s authority.

And when that proclamation was made, it confirmed many of the worst fears about his second turn in charge.
Jon Gruden
(Jose Carlos Fajardo/Bay Area News Group)

Ultimately, trading Mack is a decision that will ultimately define Gruden’s second stint in charge of the Raiders.

Though, again, it should shock no one that Gruden has decided he will be the author of his own legacy.

The Raiders received two first-round picks in exchange for Mack, giving Gruden four first-round picks over the next two drafts. He made things clear this weekend: he’s going to build the Raiders in his image.

And if history is any judge, that should make Raiders fans extremely nervous. After all, this is a guy who traded a third-round pick for Martavis Bryant in April, only to cut him this past weekend and then say that make the trade all over again.

Yes, while Gruden might have been away from the sideline for nearly a decade, but the book on him hasn’t changed: you should let him cook the meal, but don’t let him buy the groceries.

Frankly, that reputation is so well-known and deserved, there isn’t a competent owner in the NFL who would give Gruden full control of a team. I guess that’s why he’s back in Oakland.

You may recall that Gruden wanted more money and personnel power his first time around in Oakland, leading to the Raiders trading him to the Buccaneers in 2002. Then, soon after winning the Super Bowl in his first year in Tampa Bay, Gruden was given the full personnel control he wanted — it proved to be his downfall, as he was fired after the 2008 season.

Well, Gruden is in full control of the shopping list once again — no matter what he says.

No, it didn’t take long for Gruden to get back to his old tricks.
(Aric Crabb/Bay Area News Group)

In Gruden’s first stint in Oakland, he became an expert at privatizing praise and socializing blame. It’s a big reason Al Davis traded him.

In Tampa Bay, same thing: He didn’t win a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s team — that was his team. And those terrible teams that he assembled in the years that followed? Well, that was a collective effort.

He tried to pass off the same nonsense on Sunday, particularly when it came to his relationship with holdover general manager (in title only) Reggie McKenzie.

“They’re trying to divide us, people are trying to divide us – ‘I wanted him gone, he wanted him here’ – we made a decision as an organization,” Gruden said. “Mark Davis, Tom Delaney, we all got the information and we made a decision together.”

Forget all about how McKenzie was set to sign Mack to a long-term extension before Gruden was hired. Pay no attention to the fact that Gruden hosted a Red Wedding for former McKenzie draft picks — more than half of McKenzie’s 2017 draft class and his last three second-round picks are no longer with the team — over the weekend. And please, ignore the contradicting statements McKenzie and Gruden made to the media this weekend which showed a clear sign of a disconnect in rationale.

No, Gruden made a bold, controversial decision this weekend, so therefore it’s everyone’s decision. And that inexplicable second-round pick the Raiders gave to Chicago alongside Mack? Well, you’ll have to McKenzie or one of the other guys about that. Gruden has no idea about that kind of stuff.

Unless this all works out, of course. In that case, Jon knows all about it.
Jon Gruden talks to the crowd during a fan appreciation event at Ricky’s Sports Theatre and Grill in San Leandro. (Doug Duran/Bay Area News Group)

Make no mistake: Khalil Mack is not on the Raiders because of Gruden. It was his call, 100 percent.

Here’s the crazy thing: this trade is justifiable, if we accept the fact that Gruden was never going to give Mack a fair-market contract extension after Aaron Donald re-set the market Friday with a six-year, $135 million deal with $87 million in guaranteed money.

We can debate the prudence of Gruden not wanting to pay Mack, but if that’s the accepted baseline, the Raiders came out with a pretty good haul Saturday (even if McKenzie gave away a second-round pick in the trade without, as Gruden implied, telling anyone).

But now comes the hard part — justifying that two in the bush is better than one in the hand.

That’s a job that Gruden can’t pretend he doesn’t have.
 

dabears584

Bears Fan For Life TT&T
Joined:
Nov 4, 2012
Posts:
1,304
Liked Posts:
338
Location:
Fort Eustis, Virginia
Football fans outside Chicago still think we will be fighting detoilet for third in our division. Except Lions fans who still believe they will sweep us. These guys are sleeping on us big time. I felt like we could compete before Mack and now I feel if Trubs is ok to good we are the favorites in the North. But my point and thread is about the lack of respect we receive from fans of other NFCN teams. I don't think fans of other teams get the off season we had. None of them have ever had one like it. Beating GB week one will send shock waves across the N. Some of the stuff you read ( Bears handcuffed themselves for multiple drafts) and ( Bear financially ruined the next 5 years) and my personal favorite ( one injury to mack and whole staff and GM fired in 2 years).
So what interesting things have you guys run across?

many of our own are also greatly underestimating how good the 2018 Bears are going to be, so I'm not surprised to see other teams fans commenting as they are, but there are going to be quite a few people in for a big surprise this year.
 

iueyedoc

Variant Also Negotiates
Donator
Joined:
Aug 21, 2012
Posts:
21,232
Liked Posts:
26,230
Location:
Mountains to Sea
My favorite teams
  1. Chicago Cubs
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Chicago Blackhawks
  1. Indiana Hoosiers
Looks like the raiders are primed for a post Lovie type crash. That 2020 2nd is looking better and better.


Jon Gruden’s Raiders are the oldest NFL roster in years
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 2, 2018, 3:36 PM EDT
Getty Images

Jon Gruden is bringing the Over The Hill Gang back together.

Gruden has assembled the oldest 53-man roster in the NFL in years.

Jimmy Kempski of PhillyVoice.com, who has been calculating the average age of every opening-day NFL roster since 2012, reports that the Raiders’ average age of 27.4 years is the oldest roster as far back as his records go.

It’s been a strange offseason for Gruden, the head coach who also has final say over personnel. He has targeted several older players in free agency, and acquisitions of younger players, like 26-year-old receiver Martavis Bryant, haven’t panned out.

The decision to trade away pass rusher Khalil Mack has been widely criticized by Raiders fans, although that trade did bring in two first-round draft picks. Gruden needs those picks, because he’s going to need some young talent when all his older players reach the end of the line.
 

Monster

Well-known member
Joined:
Aug 21, 2012
Posts:
14,848
Liked Posts:
8,494
I’m pretty fired up about Mack... and Nagy.

Then I remember that I have literally nothing to base my offense optimism on. I’m hoping they open the year like 2006 but that’s based on pure homerism.
 

EbonyRaptor

Member
Joined:
Jul 7, 2010
Posts:
671
Liked Posts:
48
The defense should be better and it was already pretty solid but it's going to come down to the offense. The only part of the Bears offense last season that was good were the running backs. Trubisky was inconsistent but he wasn't helped out by his below average offensive line and arguably the worst receiver corps in the NHL. The receiver corps is greatly improved which should be a major factor but the offensive line is still a question mark - especially if Long can't stay on the field. But it still comes down to Trubisky making plays and avoiding mistakes and turnovers.

Bottom line for me is I was more optimistic heading into this season than I have been in several years and now with Mack my optimism is elevated another notch.
 

Top