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they also don't have Case Keenum at QB anymore. They upgraded the position
 

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We almost beat MN last year and now have a much much better team on both sides of the ball. MN id a very good team but not unbeatable.

No team is unbeatable, but it is a logical fallacy to point to one close game while ignoring the other match-up that was far less close of a game and trying to create a false extrapolation to this year's match-up with them.

We have no reason to believe the Bears will beat the Vikings until they show a reason to believe beyond the fact the roster is different. That's kind of the definition of faith vs. evidence. You can believe they will all you want but you have no credible evidence that they will yet.
 

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they also don't have Case Keenum at QB anymore. They upgraded the position

Totally agree. Sadly, many here think Cousins and his 4,392 yards per year as starter and 27 TDs per year with 12 INTs per year and overall rating as a starter as 93.7 is somehow weak. (ignoring that if Trubisky puts up those same numbers in the next 3 year span, they will idolize him).

IMO being down on Cousins is because he just got paid elite money while never owning a signature moment where he put the team on his back and led them to a W like Rodgers or Brady, ok but to say "therefore, he is not an upgrade .... over Keenum". Wow. Couldn't disagree more with that comparative reasoning.
 

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The reality is we have won the off season and nothing else. Until proven otherwise, we are the cellar dwellers.

Now go prove it Nagy!!

NOTE: Qft and also realizing that reality does not interfere with any homer parties and faith-based beliefs in the ascendancy of the Bears!
 

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No team is unbeatable, but it is a logical fallacy to point to one close game while ignoring the other match-up that was far less close of a game and trying to create a false extrapolation to this year's match-up with them.

We have no reason to believe the Bears will beat the Vikings until they show a reason to believe beyond the fact the roster is different. That's kind of the definition of faith vs. evidence. You can believe they will all you want but you have no credible evidence that they will yet.

I think the difference here is the optimism heading into these games vs last season. Our chances against any of our opponents are greatly improved. While I wouldn't look at either game vs MIN and chalk it up as a win I would say we have just as good a chance as they do to come away with a W. I couldn't say that last season. The only reason to watch any game last year was to see how Mitch was developing rather than expect a W. It's a much different vibe this year and while I don't expect an undefeated season I will be looking forward to each game for a ton of reasons, almost too many to list.
 

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Totally agree. Sadly, many here think Cousins and his 4,392 yards per year as starter and 27 TDs per year with 12 INTs per year and overall rating as a starter as 93.7 is somehow weak. (ignoring that if Trubisky puts up those same numbers in the next 3 year span, they will idolize him).

IMO being down on Cousins is because he just got paid elite money while never owning a signature moment where he put the team on his back and led them to a W like Rodgers or Brady, ok but to say "therefore, he is not an upgrade .... over Keenum". Wow. Couldn't disagree more with that comparative reasoning.

Keenum played out of his mind last year. Cousins is a marginal upgrade if even that...
 

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I think the difference here is the optimism heading into these games vs last season. Our chances against any of our opponents are greatly improved. While I wouldn't look at either game vs MIN and chalk it up as a win I would say we have just as good a chance as they do to come away with a W. I couldn't say that last season. The only reason to watch any game last year was to see how Mitch was developing rather than expect a W. It's a much different vibe this year and while I don't expect an undefeated season I will be looking forward to each game for a ton of reasons, almost too many to list.

I get that. And I would never want to take away from your belief and hope you enjoy it. I suspect your different vibe comes from an improved roster and a new coach that promises to succeed. Strictly rationally speaking, it is reason to expect different results from last year but not better yet. I still can envision a 5 - 11 season, but I can also know the nature of that losing season will be radically different from the nature of last year's losses.

PS I can also envision 11 - 5 without too much difficulty which points to the truth of no team being unbeatable and the lack of hard evidence of this team's identity yet one way or the other and the futility of using last year's match-ups as a barometer.
 

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Keenum played out of his mind last year. Cousins is a marginal upgrade if even that...

Keenum one good year: 3547 yards 22 TD and 7 INT: 98.3 rating and shit the bed in the playoffs: 2 TDs and 3 INTs 70 rating and a shellshocked look most of the time in both games.

Cousins three past years: 4392 yards avg (never lower than 4000) 27 TD and 12 INT for 93.7 rating. He did it for longer with worse talent and has never looked shellshocked in WAS despite shitty talent around him and shitty coaching.

More than marginal upgrade imo
 

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I get that. And I would never want to take away from your belief and hope you enjoy it. I suspect your different vibe comes from an improved roster and a new coach that promises to succeed. Strictly rationally speaking, it is reason to expect different results from last year but not better yet. I still can envision a 5 - 11 season, but I can also know the nature of that losing season will be radically different from the nature of last year's losses.

PS I can also envision 11 - 5 without too much difficulty which points to the truth of no team being unbeatable and the lack of hard evidence of this team's identity yet one way or the other and the futility of using last year's match-ups as a barometer.

I'm with ya Josie. Games still need to be played and I'll stay away from W/L predictions. I can't say the Bears will win a single game this year and I also can't say they won't go undefeated. All I can say is my gut tells me the organization has put them in position to be much improved. Pace set the table, BIG TIME, and now it's on the coaches and players to execute.

Like most, I believe it will take time for everything to gel. I don't expect them to be firing on all cylinders right out of the gate though I do expect to see evidence of the needle pointing up in Game 1.
 

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the vikes biggest weakness is their oline and now with mack the bears should be able to expose this weakness
 

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The Bears had quite the quality defense last year, and that was without Floyd for a while and a carousel of decent-at-best pass rushers. Floyd could certainly get hurt again or we could lose someone like Goldman which would hurt, but the addition of Mack changes the game entirely. Roquon's cover ability at ILB is a huge improvement. Barring some severe regression from guys who shouldn't regress like Hicks and such, this defense has easily been vaulted into the top 5 with the best pass rusher in the world. That alone is enough to make the Bears a tough game for anyone, when the defense can hold leads and even expand leads with takeaways.

Then you've got a revamped offense, adding a ton of talent in the passing game, getting your best o-lineman back healthy, another year of Trubisky development and a functional offensive coaching staff. While we may not be a top NFL offense, there's certainly a lot of reason to believe we can be middle tier (10-20) with some upside to be closer to 10 than 20.

One of the best defenses in the league + a decent offense is already in the playoff picture, and a team that can certainly compete game in and game out. If some chips fall nicely beyond that, like Trubisky killing it or progression from defensive players like Floyd or RRH, etc... we could be the Rams 2.0. Lots of reason for optimism. No team has come even close to making the improvements that we have this offseason on paper. Gotta see how it translates to the turf now.
 

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The Bears had quite the quality defense last year, and that was without Floyd for a while and a carousel of decent-at-best pass rushers. Floyd could certainly get hurt again or we could lose someone like Goldman which would hurt, but the addition of Mack changes the game entirely. Roquon's cover ability at ILB is a huge improvement. Barring some severe regression from guys who shouldn't regress like Hicks and such, this defense has easily been vaulted into the top 5 with the best pass rusher in the world. That alone is enough to make the Bears a tough game for anyone, when the defense can hold leads and even expand leads with takeaways.

Then you've got a revamped offense, adding a ton of talent in the passing game, getting your best o-lineman back healthy, another year of Trubisky development and a functional offensive coaching staff. While we may not be a top NFL offense, there's certainly a lot of reason to believe we can be middle tier (10-20) with some upside to be closer to 10 than 20.

One of the best defenses in the league + a decent offense is already in the playoff picture, and a team that can certainly compete game in and game out. If some chips fall nicely beyond that, like Trubisky killing it or progression from defensive players like Floyd or RRH, etc... we could be the Rams 2.0. Lots of reason for optimism. No team has come even close to making the improvements that we have this offseason on paper. Gotta see how it translates to the turf now.

Yeah I am definitely not trying to be negative at all; only differentiate between belief and evidence. So please understand that when I say this:

Th bolded should be expected every year period. This offseason is unprecedented in terms of roster turnover and points towards 2018 talent >> 2017 talent. These things are evident and objective and not debateable. But that is as far as one can argue for by the evidence. It cannot be argued any farther based on facts. It is unknown how the infusion of Mack and Smith affects the defense. It could increase the production, ranking and stats of the defense overall. It may decrease these categories as well. The decrease could come at more opportune times or the increases may come at times in which no advantages get achieved. The same is true for the offense from the new coach to the new added pieces and how they all interact.No one can know if the hoped-for increases are done at the best times and in the most advantageous moments.

From there, faith and excitement can grow and self-generate and I love it when you all get pumped and enjoy how much you all derive from it a sense of destiny almost. I love that but I think the inherent conflict arises from how much we know to be true vs. what is projected to follow as true as we move forward. That's all.
 

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I do believe the optimism this year is valid as the your Bears had probably the best offseason you could possibly have! The bears should be minimum 3rd, but depending on how things play out could be even better. The defense will be good, I mean they were good last year! Offense has more potential if trubisky and the offensive line can hold their ground. Any Packer fan that says they are not a little bit nervous is lying imo, but doesn't mean the bears are the better team this year. I still think you will have growing pains with coaching staff and your QB/offense. Its not like Nagy is a proven Head coach no more then trubisky is a proven QB. I do see the bears winning 8-10 games this year, if I am being honest. There will be a lot of unkowns this first week on both the Packers and Bears side, as neither team played their 1s very much. I am not excited about having to face Mack 2 times a year for the next 7 years and I really do think you got a steal on that trade as it may be just me, but I dont' feel like you gave up that much to get him with the picks you got back. Wishing you good luck, starting week 2!
 

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I'm optimistic that between Nagy and Trubisky there will be a special quarterback/coach combo there and they have more than enough playmakers across that offense to make what they're going to try and do work. If you look at the Chiefs offense last several years, they did an amazing job. I expect the offense to be rolling by mid-season and the defense will be better than the Chiefs had. No reason why they can't and won't be a 12 win team.

If Alex Smith can do well in this scheme, Trubisky sure as hell can.

Alex Smith was greasy dog shit for the first 6 years of his career, and took 12 years before he cracked 3500 passing yards in a season, and 14 years to top 4000.

Let’s not forget his rookie campaign of 1 TD/11 INT & 50.9 comp%.


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I'm optimistic that between Nagy and Trubisky there will be a special quarterback/coach combo there and they have more than enough playmakers across that offense to make what they're going to try and do work. If you look at the Chiefs offense last several years, they did an amazing job. I expect the offense to be rolling by mid-season and the defense will be better than the Chiefs had. No reason why they can't and won't be a 12 win team.

Trubisky’s game against the Pack last season, with shitty play calling, and shittier receivers.

21/35 (60% comp rate) 297 yds 1 td 0 int.

Trying to see how that was a terrible outing for a rookie.

Not directed at you, but yeah, I share your optimism.

I, for the life of me, cannot understand the assumption many here have, that Trubisky won’t be improved this year over last. If the trend during his rookie year, was that he finished the season as the exact same QB from a performance standpoint, their argument would be valid.

But looking at Trubisky’s numbers coming out of the bye, you see a significant uptick over what they were going in.

So a player can make marked improvement with just one off week, but can’t improve with an entire offseason, and massive upgrades to the skill positions around him? Not to mention better playcalling, and scheme.


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We almost beat MN last year and now have a much much better team on both sides of the ball. MN id a very good team but not unbeatable.

THIS.

Good news: Mitch & Bears will have time to get in their offensive grove by the time they play MIN.

Bad news: Cousing & Vikes will have time to get in their offensive groove by the time they play CHI.


Should be a great matchup - possibly even important week 17? (winner gets bye?) haha hoping & praying.
 

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I still have nightmares of Cutler's opening Sunday Night game up there....4 or 5 picks right?
I hope it's more like Grossman's opening day up there to be honest.

It can't be any worse than last year, when that jackass fumbled the opening snap.

Was that Glennon who fumbled the opening snap?
 

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