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Next thing you know a judge will come out and say picking up cheerleaders isn't a sport either!
Cheerleading Isn't a Sport.
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Next thing you know a judge will come out and say picking up cheerleaders isn't a sport either!
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Cheerleading over volleyball? I'm glad the volleyball team took that to the court. I used to play volleyball when I was younger, and I loved it.
As much as we love our cheerleaders, its definitely physical, hard work to stay in that kind of shape... But the cheerleader contests are almost like being on Dancing With the Stars.
As much as we love our cheerleaders, its definitely physical, hard work to stay in that kind of shape... But the cheerleader contests are almost like being on Dancing With the Stars.
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How is it not a sport? It's requires physical ability and has competitions...
These girls are often doing things waaaaaaay more dangerous than football players... and WITHOUT any protective gear.
Check out Penn & Tellers Bullshit! episode on this... its ridiculous.
These girls are often doing things waaaaaaay more dangerous than football players... and WITHOUT any protective gear.
Check out Penn & Tellers Bullshit! episode on this... its ridiculous.
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[quote name="Ymono37"]How is it not a sport? It's requires physical ability and has competitions...
These girls are often doing things waaaaaaay more dangerous than football players... and WITHOUT any protective gear.
Check out Penn & Tellers Bullshit! episode on this... its ridiculous.[/quote]
Depends on how you define sport. For me, it doesn't since there's no form of *direct* team or personal competition and your actions not only improve your score/chances of winning but also can hinder the opponent's chances of winning. And as amusing as, say, ice skating, diving, cheerleading, etc. would be if the opponents could go out there and screw with each other's acts.
Doesn't mean it's any more or less difficult than sports, I mean hell, it's a lot more difficult than baseball.
But I seriosuly don't think that it should have to be a sport to have a scholarship attached. Hell, I never thought golf was a sport (and never will), but I know they offer scholarships for it. Same with gymnastics, Diving, etc.
These girls are often doing things waaaaaaay more dangerous than football players... and WITHOUT any protective gear.
Check out Penn & Tellers Bullshit! episode on this... its ridiculous.[/quote]
Depends on how you define sport. For me, it doesn't since there's no form of *direct* team or personal competition and your actions not only improve your score/chances of winning but also can hinder the opponent's chances of winning. And as amusing as, say, ice skating, diving, cheerleading, etc. would be if the opponents could go out there and screw with each other's acts.
Doesn't mean it's any more or less difficult than sports, I mean hell, it's a lot more difficult than baseball.
But I seriosuly don't think that it should have to be a sport to have a scholarship attached. Hell, I never thought golf was a sport (and never will), but I know they offer scholarships for it. Same with gymnastics, Diving, etc.
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Maybe circus acts should be a sport....tight rope walking, trapeze, lion taming - those can be pretty dangerous too...start "judging" it and then - sports!
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We actually had a huge discussion about this in my Sociology of Sport class.
We came up with some criteria that would entail that something is a sport ie competition, physical ability, training, etc.
Based on that, mostly everyone in the class, including the football & hockey players, considered it a sport.
Can it be compared to those sports?
Absolutely not, but it has some common elements.
We came up with some criteria that would entail that something is a sport ie competition, physical ability, training, etc.
Based on that, mostly everyone in the class, including the football & hockey players, considered it a sport.
Can it be compared to those sports?
Absolutely not, but it has some common elements.
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If everyone has to label it, call it a "performance sport" for god's sake. Most high school cheerleaders are in better shape then the guys playing football.
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They let golf be a sport. :roll:
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[quote name="bri"]They let golf be a sport. :roll:[/quote]
And bowling too.
And bowling too.
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[quote name="bubbleheadchief"]If everyone has to label it, call it a "performance sport" for god's sake. Most high school cheerleaders are in better shape then the guys playing football.[/quote]
Agreed.
We took a survey in that class too & more people considered cheerleading & gymnastics a sport than autoracing.
Agreed.
We took a survey in that class too & more people considered cheerleading & gymnastics a sport than autoracing.
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They call NASCAR a sport too lmao
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I grew up in the south mostly, even we say NASCAR is just "Redneck drive really fast and turn left, alot."
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Everyone has their different definitions. Most people think hunting is a sport...only if the hunter uses a pen knife IMHO.
To me, the main definition is that is has to be a physical endeavor, and a direct competition with bonus for the critera to not just enhance your standing, but also lower the opponent's standing. And generally, any competition, no matter how physically chanllenging, if the outcome is determined by the subjective nature of the judges, is not a sport.
Hockey is a prime example. It is very physically taxing. It is a direct competition, it meets the bonus of the fact that the play is not just to score goals, but to stop the opponent from scoring goals, and lastly, except in extreme cases where the call up the War room, there's nothing subjective about juding the winner--Whoever scores the most goals wins.
Looking at Cheerleading is a lot like looking ay Gymnastics of figure skting, which to me aren't sports. Yes, they are physcially taxing. It's an indirect competition, in that the choreography of the routines are not done at the same time as another team's routines. It does not meet the bonus because nothing a squad/team/competitor does affects the outcome of any of their competitors (Any race would be an example of direct competition without afffecting others' standings--at least if we look at swimming or track & field), and lastly, the winning score is determined by the subjective view of a panel of judges.
But that does not make it any less of a physical competition IMHO and loses no standing in an endeavor.
Oh and one other thing...Poker was never a sport and never will be...unless you welch on a bet in a biker bar.
As such, GET IT THE SMEG OFF OF ESPN!!!!
To me, the main definition is that is has to be a physical endeavor, and a direct competition with bonus for the critera to not just enhance your standing, but also lower the opponent's standing. And generally, any competition, no matter how physically chanllenging, if the outcome is determined by the subjective nature of the judges, is not a sport.
Hockey is a prime example. It is very physically taxing. It is a direct competition, it meets the bonus of the fact that the play is not just to score goals, but to stop the opponent from scoring goals, and lastly, except in extreme cases where the call up the War room, there's nothing subjective about juding the winner--Whoever scores the most goals wins.
Looking at Cheerleading is a lot like looking ay Gymnastics of figure skting, which to me aren't sports. Yes, they are physcially taxing. It's an indirect competition, in that the choreography of the routines are not done at the same time as another team's routines. It does not meet the bonus because nothing a squad/team/competitor does affects the outcome of any of their competitors (Any race would be an example of direct competition without afffecting others' standings--at least if we look at swimming or track & field), and lastly, the winning score is determined by the subjective view of a panel of judges.
But that does not make it any less of a physical competition IMHO and loses no standing in an endeavor.
Oh and one other thing...Poker was never a sport and never will be...unless you welch on a bet in a biker bar.
As such, GET IT THE SMEG OFF OF ESPN!!!!E Runs
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It's a spectator sport for sure!
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[quote name="LordKOTL"]Everyone has their different definitions. Most people think hunting is a sport...only if the hunter uses a pen knife IMHO.
To me, the main definition is that is has to be a physical endeavor, and a direct competition with bonus for the critera to not just enhance your standing, but also lower the opponent's standing. And generally, any competition, no matter how physically chanllenging, if the outcome is determined by the subjective nature of the judges, is not a sport.
Hockey is a prime example. It is very physically taxing. It is a direct competition, it meets the bonus of the fact that the play is not just to score goals, but to stop the opponent from scoring goals, and lastly, except in extreme cases where the call up the War room, there's nothing subjective about juding the winner--Whoever scores the most goals wins.
Looking at Cheerleading is a lot like looking ay Gymnastics of figure skting, which to me aren't sports. Yes, they are physcially taxing. It's an indirect competition, in that the choreography of the routines are not done at the same time as another team's routines. It does not meet the bonus because nothing a squad/team/competitor does affects the outcome of any of their competitors (Any race would be an example of direct competition without afffecting others' standings--at least if we look at swimming or track & field), and lastly, the winning score is determined by the subjective view of a panel of judges.
But that does not make it any less of a physical competition IMHO and loses no standing in an endeavor.
Oh and one other thing...Poker was never a sport and never will be...unless you welch on a bet in a biker bar. As such, GET IT THE SMEG OFF OF ESPN!!!![/quote]
Wouldn't Nascar qualify then? Driver bump, block, wreck and directly affect the outcome for other drivers.
I like your definition though and I'm just playing devil's advocate.
To me, the main definition is that is has to be a physical endeavor, and a direct competition with bonus for the critera to not just enhance your standing, but also lower the opponent's standing. And generally, any competition, no matter how physically chanllenging, if the outcome is determined by the subjective nature of the judges, is not a sport.
Hockey is a prime example. It is very physically taxing. It is a direct competition, it meets the bonus of the fact that the play is not just to score goals, but to stop the opponent from scoring goals, and lastly, except in extreme cases where the call up the War room, there's nothing subjective about juding the winner--Whoever scores the most goals wins.
Looking at Cheerleading is a lot like looking ay Gymnastics of figure skting, which to me aren't sports. Yes, they are physcially taxing. It's an indirect competition, in that the choreography of the routines are not done at the same time as another team's routines. It does not meet the bonus because nothing a squad/team/competitor does affects the outcome of any of their competitors (Any race would be an example of direct competition without afffecting others' standings--at least if we look at swimming or track & field), and lastly, the winning score is determined by the subjective view of a panel of judges.
But that does not make it any less of a physical competition IMHO and loses no standing in an endeavor.
Oh and one other thing...Poker was never a sport and never will be...unless you welch on a bet in a biker bar.
As such, GET IT THE SMEG OFF OF ESPN!!!![/quote]Wouldn't Nascar qualify then? Driver bump, block, wreck and directly affect the outcome for other drivers.
I like your definition though and I'm just playing devil's advocate.
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[quote name="Tater"]
Wouldn't Nascar qualify then? Driver bump, block, wreck and directly affect the outcome for other drivers.
I like your definition though and I'm just playing devil's advocate.[/quote]
Technically, if it does; barely. On one hand, from all I hear, it's not easy sitting in that car driving for 500 miles in a circle--especially with no a/c.
On the other hand, the competition is not necessarily one that is human vs. human, but human controlling a machine vs. human controlling a machine. Kinda like horse racing--what's being tested/raced: the horses or the jockeys?
Wouldn't Nascar qualify then? Driver bump, block, wreck and directly affect the outcome for other drivers.
I like your definition though and I'm just playing devil's advocate.[/quote]
Technically, if it does; barely. On one hand, from all I hear, it's not easy sitting in that car driving for 500 miles in a circle--especially with no a/c.
On the other hand, the competition is not necessarily one that is human vs. human, but human controlling a machine vs. human controlling a machine. Kinda like horse racing--what's being tested/raced: the horses or the jockeys?
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[quote name="LordKOTL"]
Technically, if it does; barely. On one hand, from all I hear, it's not easy sitting in that car driving for 500 miles in a circle--especially with no a/c.
On the other hand, the competition is not necessarily one that is human vs. human, but human controlling a machine vs. human controlling a machine. Kinda like horse racing--what's being tested/raced: the horses or the jockeys?[/quote]
Good point.
Technically, if it does; barely. On one hand, from all I hear, it's not easy sitting in that car driving for 500 miles in a circle--especially with no a/c.
On the other hand, the competition is not necessarily one that is human vs. human, but human controlling a machine vs. human controlling a machine. Kinda like horse racing--what's being tested/raced: the horses or the jockeys?[/quote]
Good point.
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TURN LEFT DALE NOOOOOO!
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Have to side with the judge on this one. Cheerleading is dancing and exercising but it is not sport. I have to put Cycling in that category as well but don't tell that to Lance Armstrong.
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[quote name="roshinaya"]TURN LEFT DALE NOOOOOO![/quote]
Ya know, I heard a story about a guy getting a nascar jumpsuit, a baseball cap, sunglasses, and beating the hell out of them and putting a fake steering wheel around his neck for a hallowe'en costume.
If I lived in a more redneck (as opposed to granola-head) area, I'd consider it as well..
Ya know, I heard a story about a guy getting a nascar jumpsuit, a baseball cap, sunglasses, and beating the hell out of them and putting a fake steering wheel around his neck for a hallowe'en costume.
If I lived in a more redneck (as opposed to granola-head) area, I'd consider it as well..
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