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[mlewinth]

In this episode of the Chicago Bullseye we discuss...what else.... Ben Gordon's return to the United Center. This was a very emotional night for Fred and myself and we try to both give our final thoughts and put things into perspective. Our comments reflect those that were in many of the threads on the fourms this week. Let us know your thoughts on our show!!

 

[Dpauley23]

Fred I loved your stuff about Funk. BTW I have pretty good Funk story. So Doug got me tickets to the Bulls playoff game vs Celtics last year. So my tickets are red flagged and they say he canceled them or something. So I have to yell at this stupid security guard until they finally give me my tickets. As I am waiting for them to give me my tickets guess who shows up Neil Funk. He has this really bright stupid suit on and he's meeting his family to give them tickets. So I decide this guy has pissed me some much about that stupid comment about Gordon looking down at the three point line last year vs the Hornets. So at first I'm basically sucking up to as I don't have the tickets yet and I would risk getting thrown out. So I finally get my tickets and just as he's leaving to go down some secret hallway I tell can I ask one question. By now the whole family has left and it's just him, me and my buddy. I ask why does he hate on Gordon so much specifically making sure his feet were beyond 3 point line. He replies I like Gordon and think he's good scorer, but he plays no defense, and takes the team out of the flow of the offense. I asked him one more question and said who would you rather have Hinrich or Gordon? His answer is definitely Hinrich as he does so many things well and how great of defender he is. I thanked him for his time and kept uttering what a jackass this guy is under my breath

 

[??? ??????]

You guys are wrong on the Neil Funkism.

Neil Funk wasn't talking about Ben Gordon's field goal percentage. He was talking about the Piston's field goal percentage dropping both instances he did that after Gordon missed shots. The second time he did it, he had just got done talking about one of the Pistons problems being that they were shooting some low percentage.

 

[Fred]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Fred I loved your stuff about Funk. BTW I have pretty good Funk story. So Doug got me tickets to the Bulls playoff game vs Celtics last year. So my tickets are red flagged and they say he canceled them or something. So I have to yell at this stupid security guard until they finally give me my tickets. As I am waiting for them to give me my tickets guess who shows up Neil Funk. He has this really bright stupid suit on and he's meeting his family to give them tickets. So I decide this guy has pissed me some much about that stupid comment about Gordon looking down at the three point line last year vs the Hornets. So at first I'm basically sucking up to as I don't have the tickets yet and I would risk getting thrown out. So I finally get my tickets and just as he's leaving to go down some secret hallway I tell can I ask one question. By now the whole family has left and it's just him, me and my buddy. I ask why does he hate on Gordon so much specifically making sure his feet were beyond 3 point line. He replies I like Gordon and think he's good scorer, but he plays no defense, and takes the team out of the flow of the offense. I asked him one more question and said who would you rather have Hinrich or Gordon? His answer is definitely Hinrich as he does so many things well and how great of defender he is. I thanked him for his time and kept uttering what a jackass this guy is under my breath

Great story DP. We have to get you on the show to talk about this. It's exactly the answer I would expect. You can make the argument that Hinrich might be a better fit because his contract would be lower going forward. To come right out and say he's better strictly because of his defense....honestly, it's not worth my time anymore to argue this. Obviously, Neil doesn't know how frustrating it is to play with a guard who can't hit an open jumper consistently. Maybe Rose will enlighten him over coffee one of these days.

 

[Dpauley23]

Man I wish I could have talk to Neil somewhere they wasn't all these Bulls workers as would of told him how much of jackoff he is. Maybe I met him next year when I start my internship for the Bulls. BTW tell Mark that in an email exchange with KC he told me that Bulls chose Hinrich over Gordon leading up to the draft. He said that could of traded for expirings, but the offers were crap.

 

[Fred]

It's Saturday morning, and I'm still angry about those fans booing Ben. If you really think about it, you can become a great defender with a little "want-to", some athleticism, and some intelligence. It takes YEARS of sweat and toil to become the shooter that Ben Gordon is. Yet for some reason, this fanbase seems to adore the guys in a sound, fundamental defensive stance, but reject guys like Ben. Maybe it's his cool demeanor....The drones in the fanbase seem to like players who wear a Ditka-like passion on their sleeve. You see it with all these people calling for Lovie's head because he "doesn't show enough fire." I don't think that's a valid reason to fire a coach.

Anyhow, I keep coming back to what KC said on our last podcast, how Ben would send the team bus home, and continue to shoot and work hard. And the fans booed him. It's nauseating.

I've heard it from multiple sources that Forman and Reinsdorf thought Hinrich was more important for the future success of this team than Ben. Honestly, I find that idea laughable. Hinrich is a fine defender, but he isn't in Gordon's class as a player, and he's proving it again this year. I'd compare it to someone in the late 90's trying to argue that Jud Bucheler was more integral for the Bulls success than Toni Kukoc. Bucheler was a better defender, but Toni had a far more positive impact when it came to winning games. Likewise with Ben.

If Jerry took the truth serum, he already paid 20 million in sunk costs for Hinrich. He owed him 27 million more for a few years. Although he could get Ben at a similar per year number, he would still have to commit twice as much as what remained on Kirk's contract going forward. With a lockout looming, Jerry made a financial decision and let his PR team of Funk, Kashul, etc. do the rest. And it worked, cause the drones are still booing.

 

[pinkizdead]

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ispeaking of kashul did you hear his radio show tonight? a caller suggested that we ought to hold management responsible for the poor line up, the lack of depth that lead to the injuries(due to overplaying players) and poor job creating a team. he just dismissed the idea as nonsensical. i couldnt stop yelling "are you high" at the radio.


i just heard your show. it was pretty good.
it made me realize something. we're not just committed to hinrich comming off the bench, but we're committed to him being our starting 2 guard for the next couple years. After salmons opts out in 2010, we weont have enough cash to sign a 2 guard. Expect mediocrity to start every night for the next couple years.

 

[Hendu0520]

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Great show, couldn't have said it better myself Fred, no offense but I wanted to burn the city of Chicago to the ground when I heard them booing.

As for Funk: My biggest problem with him as that he is constantly messing up! Why couldn't he tell Kwame Brown and Ben Wallace apart. He called Kwame Brown "Ben Wallace" 3 or 4 times and Stacey didn't correct him once. Wallace with the miss, Wallace with the block, are you kidding me? Brown has braids, Wallace doesn't, can he not tell black people apart? I don't wanna say that's the case but c'mon Neil watch the game!

 

[clonetrooper264]

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Yeah Funk sucks. Undeniable truth. You can't really complain about Hinrich getting paid what he did though, that's not his fault. Your beef is with management. Hinrich is what he is, same with Deng. You can complain all you like about them not being as good as their contracts say they should, but then what about Miller? He's the highest paid player on the team. He's not playing better than Deng, the second highest paid player. You can say that he's old, but by all the logic you seem to be using, he has to live up to exactly his contract value, so no excuses.

And really, all the "I could beat Hinrich in a game of horse" crap, no you can't unless you're a master at hitting full court shots or ridiculous circus shots. Straight up, Hinrich is a better shooter than all of you. That includes the almighty Fred Pfeiffer. I know he's not the best shooter in the world, or the greatest defender in the world, but he's still a good shooter (38% career from 3 is not bad people, even if he is shooting like crap this year, not to mention he's 2nd all time in Bulls' history in 3's made behind BG, who if I recall correctly, is an elite shooter) and I don't know how many of you played against a really pesky defender in a basketball game, but let me assure you, even if that player doesn't block every shot or get every steal, he's still in your face every time. And unless you're an elite shooter/scorer, that affects YOU every time. Just as BG haters seek to point out all bad shooting nights BG had, the anti-Hinrich fans seek to point out that someone scored 20+ points with Hinrich guarding him. What will happen if BG goes 3-10 with Hinrich on him nearly all the time when they're both fully healthy? Will you say Hinrich did a good job on him or that BG had a bad shooting night? My guess is that 90% of this board will say BG was just off that night.

 

[Diddy1122]

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clonetrooper264 wrote:

Yeah Funk sucks. Undeniable truth. You can't really complain about Hinrich getting paid what he did though, that's not his fault. Your beef is with management. Hinrich is what he is, same with Deng. You can complain all you like about them not being as good as their contracts say they should, but then what about Miller? He's the highest paid player on the team. He's not playing better than Deng, the second highest paid player. You can say that he's old, but by all the logic you seem to be using, he has to live up to exactly his contract value, so no excuses.

And really, all the "I could beat Hinrich in a game of horse" crap, no you can't unless you're a master at hitting full court shots or ridiculous circus shots. Straight up, Hinrich is a better shooter than all of you. That includes the almighty Fred Pfeiffer. I know he's not the best shooter in the world, or the greatest defender in the world, but he's still a good shooter (38% career from 3 is not bad people, even if he is shooting like crap this year, not to mention he's 2nd all time in Bulls' history in 3's made behind BG, who if I recall correctly, is an elite shooter) and I don't know how many of you played against a really pesky defender in a basketball game, but let me assure you, even if that player doesn't block every shot or get every steal, he's still in your face every time. And unless you're an elite shooter/scorer, that affects YOU every time. Just as BG haters seek to point out all bad shooting nights BG had, the anti-Hinrich fans seek to point out that someone scored 20+ points with Hinrich guarding him. What will happen if BG goes 3-10 with Hinrich on him nearly all the time when they're both fully healthy? Will you say Hinrich did a good job on him or that BG had a bad shooting night? My guess is that 90% of this board will say BG was just off that night.

Using Miller to justify Kirk's contract is not a good way to go. Brad got his after a career year that included an All-Star selection. His contract was well deserved. And just because he's gotten older & slower doesn't mean it wasn't earned at one point in his career. He was a big part of the Kings success during the 2000's in the prime of his career.

And at the time Kirk's contract was deserved too. People forget there was a demand for a good point guard back then. 3 PG's went in the top 5 in the draft that year. Nash was the MVP. The Bulls may have overpaid a little but in their eyes it was necessary to keep Kirk from testing the market the following year. And Kirk had a great year the following year. But that was 3 seasons ago & he's in his prime. At some point you have to wonder, why did we pay this guy? To be a pesky defender? To dive for loose balls? To miss every wide open 15 footer? I like Kirk. I think he does many things well, but nothing really great. He hustles, he defends, can guard multiple positions, & handle the ball. But during the life of his current contract, in the prime of his career, he has rarely been worthy of those millions bestowed upon him. He had 1 good year. 1. Since then it's been an era of mediocrity. I for one am sick of seeing it & every time Kirk pulls up for an open shot, I cringe & pray to the Lord that by some divine miracle he guides the ball into the hoop. It gets exhausting 9-10x's a game.

 

[TheStig]

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clonetrooper264 wrote:

Yeah Funk sucks. Undeniable truth. You can't really complain about Hinrich getting paid what he did though, that's not his fault. Your beef is with management. Hinrich is what he is, same with Deng. You can complain all you like about them not being as good as their contracts say they should, but then what about Miller? He's the highest paid player on the team. He's not playing better than Deng, the second highest paid player. You can say that he's old, but by all the logic you seem to be using, he has to live up to exactly his contract value, so no excuses.

And really, all the "I could beat Hinrich in a game of horse" crap, no you can't unless you're a master at hitting full court shots or ridiculous circus shots. Straight up, Hinrich is a better shooter than all of you. That includes the almighty Fred Pfeiffer. I know he's not the best shooter in the world, or the greatest defender in the world, but he's still a good shooter (38% career from 3 is not bad people, even if he is shooting like crap this year, not to mention he's 2nd all time in Bulls' history in 3's made behind BG, who if I recall correctly, is an elite shooter) and I don't know how many of you played against a really pesky defender in a basketball game, but let me assure you, even if that player doesn't block every shot or get every steal, he's still in your face every time. And unless you're an elite shooter/scorer, that affects YOU every time. Just as BG haters seek to point out all bad shooting nights BG had, the anti-Hinrich fans seek to point out that someone scored 20+ points with Hinrich guarding him. What will happen if BG goes 3-10 with Hinrich on him nearly all the time when they're both fully healthy? Will you say Hinrich did a good job on him or that BG had a bad shooting night? My guess is that 90% of this board will say BG was just off that night.

I don't think Kirk's contract is a bad deal. It really wasn't a bad deal when we signed him. Kirk is a decent starting PG. And thats what we signed him for but he isn't a starting PG and a team that is handicapped by the LT can't have a bench players on long deals making as much as their starting backcourt. Kirk makes like a mill less than both Salmons and Rose and is worse than both.

Comparing Kirk's deal to brads is insane. First bigs make more than wing players. Big men get overpaid, most of the bad deals in the league are big men. Its just a fact of the matter that with the shortage they get big deals. Brad Miller was also a allstar when he signed his deal and made another allstar team when he was there. He was also brought in to play for a contender and replace an old piece.

 

[TheStig]

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Does anyone else think funk looks like a garden gnome in a suit? Not trying to pick on the guy but I just saw him sitting next to stacy pregame and it just clicked.

 

[Dpauley23]

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You what's wierd how tall Funk is. I never realized it till I saw him in person

 

[clonetrooper264]

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TheStig wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Yeah Funk sucks. Undeniable truth. You can't really complain about Hinrich getting paid what he did though, that's not his fault. Your beef is with management. Hinrich is what he is, same with Deng. You can complain all you like about them not being as good as their contracts say they should, but then what about Miller? He's the highest paid player on the team. He's not playing better than Deng, the second highest paid player. You can say that he's old, but by all the logic you seem to be using, he has to live up to exactly his contract value, so no excuses.

And really, all the "I could beat Hinrich in a game of horse" crap, no you can't unless you're a master at hitting full court shots or ridiculous circus shots. Straight up, Hinrich is a better shooter than all of you. That includes the almighty Fred Pfeiffer. I know he's not the best shooter in the world, or the greatest defender in the world, but he's still a good shooter (38% career from 3 is not bad people, even if he is shooting like crap this year, not to mention he's 2nd all time in Bulls' history in 3's made behind BG, who if I recall correctly, is an elite shooter) and I don't know how many of you played against a really pesky defender in a basketball game, but let me assure you, even if that player doesn't block every shot or get every steal, he's still in your face every time. And unless you're an elite shooter/scorer, that affects YOU every time. Just as BG haters seek to point out all bad shooting nights BG had, the anti-Hinrich fans seek to point out that someone scored 20+ points with Hinrich guarding him. What will happen if BG goes 3-10 with Hinrich on him nearly all the time when they're both fully healthy? Will you say Hinrich did a good job on him or that BG had a bad shooting night? My guess is that 90% of this board will say BG was just off that night.

I don't think Kirk's contract is a bad deal. It really wasn't a bad deal when we signed him. Kirk is a decent starting PG. And thats what we signed him for but he isn't a starting PG and a team that is handicapped by the LT can't have a bench players on long deals making as much as their starting backcourt. Kirk makes like a mill less than both Salmons and Rose and is worse than both.

Comparing Kirk's deal to brads is insane. First bigs make more than wing players. Big men get overpaid, most of the bad deals in the league are big men. Its just a fact of the matter that with the shortage they get big deals. Brad Miller was also a allstar when he signed his deal and made another allstar team when he was there. He was also brought in to play for a contender and replace an old piece.

You're missing the point I'm trying to make. At the time of signing, BOTH of those contracts were deserved. Brad was an allstar and that's why his contract is worth nearly 4 million more than Kirk's at this point. And Kirk IS a starting PG on most of the teams in this league (btw I just thought I'd point out that your sort of contradicted yourself in your post). If you took out the starting PG of at least half the teams in the league and put in Hinrich, chances are there wouldn't be that much of a difference. The only reason he comes off the bench on this team is because of Rose. And if I recall correctly, the only really bad season Kirk has had here is 07-08 which was also an atrocity for the ENTIRE team.

Seriously, the amount of crap that Kirk gets from you guys is the equivalent of that given to BG by the drones. Are you trying to make up for that or something? I am not blind to the fact that he's played like crap to start this season, but it's really not necessary to smash the guy for every tiny thing. Not even the drones did that to BG. And look how the team is playing now with him gone. No depth at the guard spots...whatsoever. We're getting blown out in every single loss. But of course, Hinrich wouldn't have helped in anyway right? Psh, he probably would have made it worse.

 

[pinkizdead]

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yeah hinrich would have impacted the game, but really what are we conceding here?hinrich is an upgrade over pargo and hunter. does that really mean much?

i dont have a problem with hinrich being on the team. if he wants to play 15 minutes a game, i have no problem with hinrich what so ever! he 'll get all the back up pg minutes and a FEW minutes at 2. he's not a good enough shooter to get all the minutes at the 2 guard role, and he's not good enough to take his man off the dribble and score a layup. with that in mind, he's not a good fit for this team. His contract is actually the greatest reason i want to trade him. he's not worth it to US.

maybe if we can talk to portland, we could still trade hinrich and tyrus for miller and rudy. then we might be able to pawn miller off to some1 else/ negotiate a buy out.

 

[clonetrooper264]

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pinkizdead wrote:

yeah hinrich would have impacted the game, but really what are we conceding here?hinrich is an upgrade over pargo and hunter. does that really mean much?

i dont have a problem with hinrich being on the team. if he wants to play 15 minutes a game, i have no problem with hinrich what so ever! he 'll get all the back up pg minutes and a FEW minutes at 2. he's not a good enough shooter to get all the minutes at the 2 guard role, and he's not good enough to take his man off the dribble and score a layup. with that in mind, he's not a good fit for this team. His contract is actually the greatest reason i want to trade him. he's not worth it to US.

maybe if we can talk to portland, we could still trade hinrich and tyrus for miller and rudy. then we might be able to pawn miller off to some1 else/ negotiate a buy out.

15 minutes...? Really? Is that really all Hinrich is to you people here? 15 mpg and 3 million a year. And I though the drones were bad...since when did Hinrich become the guard equivalent of Darko?

 

[Fred]

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clonetrooper264 wrote:

pinkizdead wrote:

yeah hinrich would have impacted the game, but really what are we conceding here?hinrich is an upgrade over pargo and hunter. does that really mean much?

i dont have a problem with hinrich being on the team. if he wants to play 15 minutes a game, i have no problem with hinrich what so ever! he 'll get all the back up pg minutes and a FEW minutes at 2. he's not a good enough shooter to get all the minutes at the 2 guard role, and he's not good enough to take his man off the dribble and score a layup. with that in mind, he's not a good fit for this team. His contract is actually the greatest reason i want to trade him. he's not worth it to US.

maybe if we can talk to portland, we could still trade hinrich and tyrus for miller and rudy. then we might be able to pawn miller off to some1 else/ negotiate a buy out.

15 minutes...? Really? Is that really all Hinrich is to you people here? 15 mpg and 3 million a year. And I though the drones were bad...since when did Hinrich become the guard equivalent of Darko?

If it makes you feel any better, I think he's worth more than 15 mpg and 3 million per year. I don't want to argue about Kirk or Ben, but management made it the argument. And what enrages me is how many writers/fans/announcers actually agree with management. (i.e. Gorches, Slezak, Funk, 60% of the booing fan base.)

It all comes down to this..it's not the late 80's, or even 90's anymore. You don't win with defense alone in the modern NBA. The rules have changed, and unfortunately, our management and large percentage of the fan base never received the memo. We were so close in April...now we're farther away than most of us realize.

 

[Fred]

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clonetrooper264 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Yeah Funk sucks. Undeniable truth. You can't really complain about Hinrich getting paid what he did though, that's not his fault. Your beef is with management. Hinrich is what he is, same with Deng. You can complain all you like about them not being as good as their contracts say they should, but then what about Miller? He's the highest paid player on the team. He's not playing better than Deng, the second highest paid player. You can say that he's old, but by all the logic you seem to be using, he has to live up to exactly his contract value, so no excuses.

And really, all the "I could beat Hinrich in a game of horse" crap, no you can't unless you're a master at hitting full court shots or ridiculous circus shots. Straight up, Hinrich is a better shooter than all of you. That includes the almighty Fred Pfeiffer. I know he's not the best shooter in the world, or the greatest defender in the world, but he's still a good shooter (38% career from 3 is not bad people, even if he is shooting like crap this year, not to mention he's 2nd all time in Bulls' history in 3's made behind BG, who if I recall correctly, is an elite shooter) and I don't know how many of you played against a really pesky defender in a basketball game, but let me assure you, even if that player doesn't block every shot or get every steal, he's still in your face every time. And unless you're an elite shooter/scorer, that affects YOU every time. Just as BG haters seek to point out all bad shooting nights BG had, the anti-Hinrich fans seek to point out that someone scored 20+ points with Hinrich guarding him. What will happen if BG goes 3-10 with Hinrich on him nearly all the time when they're both fully healthy? Will you say Hinrich did a good job on him or that BG had a bad shooting night? My guess is that 90% of this board will say BG was just off that night.

I don't think Kirk's contract is a bad deal. It really wasn't a bad deal when we signed him. Kirk is a decent starting PG. And thats what we signed him for but he isn't a starting PG and a team that is handicapped by the LT can't have a bench players on long deals making as much as their starting backcourt. Kirk makes like a mill less than both Salmons and Rose and is worse than both.

Comparing Kirk's deal to brads is insane. First bigs make more than wing players. Big men get overpaid, most of the bad deals in the league are big men. Its just a fact of the matter that with the shortage they get big deals. Brad Miller was also a allstar when he signed his deal and made another allstar team when he was there. He was also brought in to play for a contender and replace an old piece.

You're missing the point I'm trying to make. At the time of signing, BOTH of those contracts were deserved. Brad was an allstar and that's why his contract is worth nearly 4 million more than Kirk's at this point. And Kirk IS a starting PG on most of the teams in this league (btw I just thought I'd point out that your sort of contradicted yourself in your post). If you took out the starting PG of at least half the teams in the league and put in Hinrich, chances are there wouldn't be that much of a difference. The only reason he comes off the bench on this team is because of Rose. And if I recall correctly, the only really bad season Kirk has had here is 07-08 which was also an atrocity for the ENTIRE team.

Seriously, the amount of crap that Kirk gets from you guys is the equivalent of that given to BG by the drones. Are you trying to make up for that or something? I am not blind to the fact that he's played like crap to start this season, but it's really not necessary to smash the guy for every tiny thing. Not even the drones did that to BG. And look how the team is playing now with him gone. No depth at the guard spots...whatsoever. We're getting blown out in every single loss. But of course, Hinrich wouldn't have helped in anyway right? Psh, he probably would have made it worse.

We were blown out in the 3 games before Kirk's injury. In the games he's missed, we lost to Utah, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Toronto, and we beat Detroit. Rose was awesome against Milwaukee. The problem is our offense, and it's sucked all year, with or without Kirk.

Has anyone heard at all how he hurt his thumb in practice? I haven't read one report on the details on how he hurt his thumb. It's a bigger secret than the Kennedy Assasination.

 

[Dpauley23]

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Fred wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

pinkizdead wrote:

yeah hinrich would have impacted the game, but really what are we conceding here?hinrich is an upgrade over pargo and hunter. does that really mean much?

i dont have a problem with hinrich being on the team. if he wants to play 15 minutes a game, i have no problem with hinrich what so ever! he 'll get all the back up pg minutes and a FEW minutes at 2. he's not a good enough shooter to get all the minutes at the 2 guard role, and he's not good enough to take his man off the dribble and score a layup. with that in mind, he's not a good fit for this team. His contract is actually the greatest reason i want to trade him. he's not worth it to US.

maybe if we can talk to portland, we could still trade hinrich and tyrus for miller and rudy. then we might be able to pawn miller off to some1 else/ negotiate a buy out.

15 minutes...? Really? Is that really all Hinrich is to you people here? 15 mpg and 3 million a year. And I though the drones were bad...since when did Hinrich become the guard equivalent of Darko?

If it makes you feel any better, I think he's worth more than 15 mpg and 3 million per year. I don't want to argue about Kirk or Ben, but management made it the argument. And what enrages me is how many writers/fans/announcers actually agree with management. (i.e. Gorches, Slezak, Funk, 60% of the booing fan base.)

It all comes down to this..it's not the late 80's, or even 90's anymore. You don't win with defense alone in the modern NBA. The rules have changed, and unfortunately, our management and large percentage of the fan base never received the memo. We were so close in April...now we're farther away than most of us realize.

It's like management ever thought that they were going to compete for championship, but rather just improve with better defense

 

[Dpauley23]

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Fred wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Yeah Funk sucks. Undeniable truth. You can't really complain about Hinrich getting paid what he did though, that's not his fault. Your beef is with management. Hinrich is what he is, same with Deng. You can complain all you like about them not being as good as their contracts say they should, but then what about Miller? He's the highest paid player on the team. He's not playing better than Deng, the second highest paid player. You can say that he's old, but by all the logic you seem to be using, he has to live up to exactly his contract value, so no excuses.

And really, all the "I could beat Hinrich in a game of horse" crap, no you can't unless you're a master at hitting full court shots or ridiculous circus shots. Straight up, Hinrich is a better shooter than all of you. That includes the almighty Fred Pfeiffer. I know he's not the best shooter in the world, or the greatest defender in the world, but he's still a good shooter (38% career from 3 is not bad people, even if he is shooting like crap this year, not to mention he's 2nd all time in Bulls' history in 3's made behind BG, who if I recall correctly, is an elite shooter) and I don't know how many of you played against a really pesky defender in a basketball game, but let me assure you, even if that player doesn't block every shot or get every steal, he's still in your face every time. And unless you're an elite shooter/scorer, that affects YOU every time. Just as BG haters seek to point out all bad shooting nights BG had, the anti-Hinrich fans seek to point out that someone scored 20+ points with Hinrich guarding him. What will happen if BG goes 3-10 with Hinrich on him nearly all the time when they're both fully healthy? Will you say Hinrich did a good job on him or that BG had a bad shooting night? My guess is that 90% of this board will say BG was just off that night.

I don't think Kirk's contract is a bad deal. It really wasn't a bad deal when we signed him. Kirk is a decent starting PG. And thats what we signed him for but he isn't a starting PG and a team that is handicapped by the LT can't have a bench players on long deals making as much as their starting backcourt. Kirk makes like a mill less than both Salmons and Rose and is worse than both.

Comparing Kirk's deal to brads is insane. First bigs make more than wing players. Big men get overpaid, most of the bad deals in the league are big men. Its just a fact of the matter that with the shortage they get big deals. Brad Miller was also a allstar when he signed his deal and made another allstar team when he was there. He was also brought in to play for a contender and replace an old piece.

You're missing the point I'm trying to make. At the time of signing, BOTH of those contracts were deserved. Brad was an allstar and that's why his contract is worth nearly 4 million more than Kirk's at this point. And Kirk IS a starting PG on most of the teams in this league (btw I just thought I'd point out that your sort of contradicted yourself in your post). If you took out the starting PG of at least half the teams in the league and put in Hinrich, chances are there wouldn't be that much of a difference. The only reason he comes off the bench on this team is because of Rose. And if I recall correctly, the only really bad season Kirk has had here is 07-08 which was also an atrocity for the ENTIRE team.

Seriously, the amount of crap that Kirk gets from you guys is the equivalent of that given to BG by the drones. Are you trying to make up for that or something? I am not blind to the fact that he's played like crap to start this season, but it's really not necessary to smash the guy for every tiny thing. Not even the drones did that to BG. And look how the team is playing now with him gone. No depth at the guard spots...whatsoever. We're getting blown out in every single loss. But of course, Hinrich wouldn't have helped in anyway right? Psh, he probably would have made it worse.

We were blown out in the 3 games before Kirk's injury. In the games he's missed, we lost to Utah, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Toronto, and we beat Detroit. Rose was awesome against Milwaukee. The problem is our offense, and it's sucked all year, with or without Kirk.

Has anyone heard at all how he hurt his thumb in practice? I haven't read one report on the details on how he hurt his thumb. It's a bigger secret than the Kennedy Assasination.

I've read Hinrich hurt his thumb the same way as last year. The problem really isn't our offense, but there really missing Tyrus. Were getting exposed on the pick and roll as there's nobody to come over on the weakside to help out or block a shot like he does. Also Taj Gibson is one of the worst rebounding power fowards in the NBA right now. He so weak that he gets pushed around so easily it's unbearable. The only thing he does ok is his jumper. His defense sucks, he's a horrible rebounder and his free throw shooting is atricouis. Tyrus is probably the 2 best defender on the team and us forcing Deng to play pf is hurting us major defensively.