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I saw on my phone an alert popped up that Shaw tweeted then immediately deleted that he was mad at the dude that hit him. Felt it was a dirty hit.
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It absolutely was a dirty hit. If that would have happened on Rodgers, that player would already be on death row.
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Shaw played in one NFL game as a rookie two years ago. That's it. You can't extrapolate how someone's career is going to turn out from one game in their rookie season.
On the other hand, Hoyer is in his 8th season with 1000 career pass attempts in 43 games, and has been pretty consistently awful. Hoyer's career highlight was playing surprisingly average for about half a season, and then capping it off with one of the worst playoff performances in NFL history.
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If you watch the vine of the hit posted earlier in the thread a couple times over I'm not sure how you could draw any other conclusion. Its made even worse by the fact the game didn't even count and he had pretty much nothing to gain by hitting him like that.
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Bah...I couldn't disagree more
Cutler (1st) + Shaw (2nd) + O-line help > Cutler (1st) Hoyer (2nd) and O-line as it currently is. That is the point I was trying to make, granted neither situation is ideal. At any rate, it's a moot point now.
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Shaw was the only thing in that game that was even remotely interesting. But you gotta remember, he was playing with and against players that won't even be in the league in a few weeks.
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So was Hoyer, and he looked like dogshit. That's the part that scares me.
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Hoyer went 10-6 with the fucking Browns in '13 and '14. Last season td/int 19-7. Shaw's best stat is that nobody will play him so he has a small sample size of suckage.
I've just seen too many August all pro's that just suck when shit gets real. There is no way Shaw was ever going to leapfrog Hoyer on the DC. Of course none of this matters now.
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It's only scary if you expected this team to be competitive....the only thing it will be competing for is the first pick in next years draft. But they'll probably lose that as well to Cleveland.
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.....with a quarterback rating in the 70s and a Rate+ of like 84. They were winning in spite of Hoyer, not because of him.
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So that's what makes Shaw such a stud!
Face it, we are talking about Cutlers backup not the HOF. Hoyer has proven he is much better than Shaw, the numbers all favor Hoyer, which makes him the thinnest kid at fat camp. The only stats Shaw has in his favor are that no one would ever let him play. High praise.
"Shaw to Braverman for the TD" will live on in our hearts forever, and nowhere else.
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I'm not arguing that Shaw is a stud. I'm arguing that Hoyer is terrible. If Pace and Fox decide to go into the season with Hoyer as the backup after the way he's played this preseason, they'll be making a huge mistake.
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Shaw was never going to be the answer, the Bears are better off at QB2 this season than last. Shaw getting hurt may have saved Fales job, that is not good.
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it was the same kind of tackle that ended Theisman's career. I doubt the kid plays another down. The tackler held his jersey and then fell right on the leg and snap. it's on you tube. you can watch it.
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are you suggesting Hoyer? stink up the field Hoyer? have you even been watching how bad that mofo is? wtf is that? LOL dude that's just bad.
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Hoyer is not a good QB, he is infinitely better than Shaw. Read back a few posts, I've already explained this.
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I feel like you have to be either blind or Special person to say that Hoyer is "infinitely better" than Shaw after watching them through the first 3 preseason games.
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Hoyer had 6 TD's last year after the Texans were down 21+
