Could and Should the Bulls sign Carlos Boozer?

[Rose1]

He's tough and still young. He's about 4 years in his prime and has a lot of moves down low. I like the fact that he's proven and he doesn't come with "period pads". He can get you about 20 rebounds on any given night, complemented with 25 points. Right now the Bulls are inconsistent far as the interior goes. I think it's easily said that if Bulls interior match the guards production, then you'll confirm a pass without an question mark. I think a front-court depth of Noah, Miller, and Ty.Thomas, Boozer will get it done. I'll endorse his bruising, toughness, and skill down low. The question is will Paxson finally make a run at a presence down low in Boozer. No need to risk the 2010 off-season and end up with nothing (regarding Bosh and Stoudemire).

*He said that his plans are to opt out this off-season.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

that knee scares the hell out of me. I dont think I would throw 60 million or more into him, to much risk. He seems to be playing real well since coming back from his injury however we have been burned by an aging big recently so I am very against doing that again. I would wait to see if we can net a Bosh/Amare type.

 

[Rose1]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

that knee scares the hell out of me. I dont think I would throw 60 million or more into him, to much risk. He seems to be playing real well since coming back from his injury however we have been burned by an aging big recently so I am very against doing that again. I would wait to see if we can net a Bosh/Amare type.

That's pointless. Amare has health issues. Bosh targeting Chicago is likely impossible with the rumors of him and Bron going Knicker. Plus, Bosh coming to Chitown can't happen if he wants to win. He'll just sign with with top-tier team with a super-star.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Rose1 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

that knee scares the hell out of me. I dont think I would throw 60 million or more into him, to much risk. He seems to be playing real well since coming back from his injury however we have been burned by an aging big recently so I am very against doing that again. I would wait to see if we can net a Bosh/Amare type.

That's pointless. Amare has health issues. Bosh targeting Chicago is likely impossible with the rumors of him and Bron going Knicker. Plus, Bosh coming to Chitown can't happen if he wants to win. He'll just sign with with top-tier team with a super-star.

Amares health issues dont worry me. As for Bosh going to NY, thats absolutely not true.

This I dont get: Plus, Bosh coming to Chitown can't happen if he wants to win.

:dry:

Whats wrong with him coming here? you add him to our roster we easily challenge the Cavs as the best team in the East. Your acting like we have nothing here.

 

[Rose1]

how do you know he's not going to NY lol. You don't sound right.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

I dont sound right? your saying he wont want to come to Chicago because he wants to win.

Dont believe the hype of all these star players going to New York. Knicks were getting MJ in 96 and ended up with Allan Houston.

 

[Bullsman24]

we would probably be the most enticing team for chris bosh.

we have many good solid role players. if we had a good low post player, we could be a contender. the rest of the league isn't really THAT great.

we'd have a favorable matchup at every position but center if we sign bosh. d-rose, gordon, deng, bosh, all guys who can go off on a given night.

nyc is not appealing. the only players they have signed through 2010 are galinari (solid role player possibly), jared jeffries (nothing valuable), wilson chandler (we'll see) and eddy curry (the man popped a medicine ball...) two of those guys are SFs anyway who'd be traded if lebron came, and they'll have issues finding the cracks on that team. nyc=unlikely

really, he'd do best to come to chicago, best he can get

 

[??? ??????]

If we could sign him for the MLE, sure!

If we could get him for $11-13 million per a year in a sign and trade using Kirk Hinrich/Luol Deng/Tim Thomas/Jerome James (some combination), of course!

Rose, Gordon, Boozer. That's a good trio. Great guard play, and a big man to throw the ball into. Then we could probably package Salmons and Thomas together for a small forward (Tayshaun Prince anyone?).

 

[dougthonus]

Rose1 wrote:

I like the fact that he's proven and he doesn't come with "period pads".

Is this some kind of comment towards his toughness, because he was almost run out of town in Utah because they felt he was milking injuries early in his career. He's missed huge chunks of the season in three of his seven years in the NBA including this year.

Also, this may or may not be a factor, but the Bulls seem to value character, and him lying to Jim Paxson (John's brother) about his contract in Cleveland is what got Jim fired. Granted, other people believe Jim took the fall and didn't want to release Boozer from his option and that it was ownership that was fooled.

 

[JustinC5]

Rose1 wrote:

He's tough and still young. He's about 4 years in his prime and has a lot of moves down low. I like the fact that he's proven and he doesn't come with "period pads". He can get you about 20 rebounds on any given night, complemented with 25 points. Right now the Bulls are inconsistent far as the interior goes. I think it's easily said that if Bulls interior match the guards production, then you'll confirm a pass without an question mark. I think a front-court depth of Noah, Miller, and Ty.Thomas, Boozer will get it done. I'll endorse his bruising, toughness, and skill down low. The question is will Paxson finally make a run at a presence down low in Boozer. No need to risk the 2010 off-season and end up with nothing (regarding Bosh and Stoudemire).

I wouldn't touch Boozer with a 15 foot pole. He oft injured (he's missed significant time 3 out of the last 3 seasons and he isn't what the Bulls really need down low. I think the Bulls need a big man down low who at the very least can block a shot or two on the defensive end, Boozer isn't that guy. We saw in Game 2 how blocking shots can really frustrate the other team.

With all that said, I'm not sure his 'upside' is worth the risk.

 

[dougthonus]

I wouldn't touch Boozer with a 15 foot pole. He oft injured (he's missed significant time 3 out of the last 3 seasons and he isn't what the Bulls really need down low. I think the Bulls need a big man down low who at the very least can block a shot or two on the defensive end, Boozer isn't that guy. We saw in Game 2 how blocking shots can really frustrate the other team.

With all that said, I'm not sure his 'upside' is worth the risk.

I would take the chance on Boozer at around 6/60 in a S&T if we didn't give up that much, you'd have to live with his injuries, but 10 million wouldn't be a killer contract for a guy who could be tough and run the pick and roll so well and give you some low post scoring.

We'd have the interior defender in Noah to roll out with him. There would be large potential pitfalls with him, and he wouldn't be my first choice, but if you fail to get Bosh/Amare and could get Boozer then I don't see why you'd pass.

 

[Rose1]

JustinC5 wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

He's tough and still young. He's about 4 years in his prime and has a lot of moves down low. I like the fact that he's proven and he doesn't come with "period pads". He can get you about 20 rebounds on any given night, complemented with 25 points. Right now the Bulls are inconsistent far as the interior goes. I think it's easily said that if Bulls interior match the guards production, then you'll confirm a pass without an question mark. I think a front-court depth of Noah, Miller, and Ty.Thomas, Boozer will get it done. I'll endorse his bruising, toughness, and skill down low. The question is will Paxson finally make a run at a presence down low in Boozer. No need to risk the 2010 off-season and end up with nothing (regarding Bosh and Stoudemire).

I wouldn't touch Boozer with a 15 foot pole. He oft injured (he's missed significant time 3 out of the last 3 seasons and he isn't what the Bulls really need down low. I think the Bulls need a big man down low who at the very least can block a shot or two on the defensive end, Boozer isn't that guy. We saw in Game 2 how blocking shots can really frustrate the other team.

With all that said, I'm not sure his 'upside' is worth the risk.

I'm going to answer Doug first. What I meant by "period pads" was the contrast of some players that wine and cry ala Iverson. Like in Boozer case, the guy doesn't come with baggage. You know what you're getting. A guy whom does the job and produce. In many cases, his attitude is genuine and not a facade. And as for the other guy, we can easily grab a big man that can block. Have you heard of BJ Mullens?

 

[shortlunatic]

i said this in another forum, I'll say it here. No. The guy is a sellout and flat out a dick. People forget to quickly what he did in Clevland and the fact that WHILE HE WAS INJURED with the Jazz, he was talking about opting out is ridiculous. You should clearly be able to see he is a me first player and that nothing else matters to him except the paycheck. Why you would want to bring a guy like that to a young team like ours is beyond me. It has the potential to be good, but also to be horrible. Not worth the risk, i would feel much safer keeping the personal we have now than risking it on a proven ****** like Boozer.

 

[rosefromconcrete]

Boozer would be terrible. If youre gonna pay someone what boozer demands then they need to be a leader. Talent alone isnt worth what he demands. Your best and highest paid players need to set the tone for the rest of the team and boozer is not that leader. Thats one of my biggest concerns about amare, for example. When a player, who was once a captain, basically gets his captaincy removed like amare you know you have a problem.

I think I am in the Bosh camp, but that is only if he puts us over the top. We cant give up noah to get him, but I Tyrus is a possibility. My only fear of giving up tyrus is that if we want to win the east, then we have to get by Lebron and I think that tyrus will eventually be the best defensive matchup against lebron. Having said that, a core of Rose, Bosh and Noah is pretty impressive.

More importantly, we have a real chance of taking the series. If we can defeat Boston, even without Garnett, then we may want to think about giving this group another season together to see what happens. I dont know if this group will ever be able to contend in the east, but its possible. This would imply we keep bg though...if not, then there is no chance that this core ever competes and we must go out and get another 20 ppg scorer. Our team is so young right now that it is easy to see what players dont do instead of focusing on what we do well. Having said that, I think we need Bosh. If we can keep bg and make the core rose, bosh, bg and noah then we will be contenders in 2 or 3 years. Im just scared that Bosh isnt worth the max and there is nothing worse than giving the max to someone that doesnt deserve it.

 

[rosefromconcrete]

boozer doesnt come with baggage? Cleveland tried to reward boozer by letting him out of his minimum contract an paying him 6 or 7 million dollars a year and he decided to go to utah. You are aware of how he left cleveland? Why would you want a player like that? Especially a player that does that and doesnt play any defense? Fortunately, we cant sign boozer this summer so we dont have to worry about it.

Also, BJ Mullens would really be your long term answer beside boozer? Hes terrible.

 

[dougthonus]

Amare and Boozer both have issues. However, I'd take either. You can't say no to a 20/10 big man if you are the Bulls.

 

[rosefromconcrete]

You can and should say no to both amare and boozer. This is especially true with amare. Even if his knee holds up, he'll be in the twilight of his career (as an elite player) when rose gets to his prime. With Amare you get a 1 or 2 year window to win a championship when both he and rose are playing at an elite level.

Boozer. Well, hes just boozer. Enough said.

 

[Rose1]

For the last time, we're not getting Bosh lol. You can hope all you want. Their Gm is giving him a extension over the summer and Bosh will likely take it.

 

[dougthonus]

rosefromconcrete wrote:

You can and should say no to both amare and boozer. This is especially true with amare. Even if his knee holds up, he'll be in the twilight of his career (as an elite player) when rose gets to his prime. With Amare you get a 1 or 2 year window to win a championship when both he and rose are playing at an elite level.

Boozer. Well, hes just boozer. Enough said.

This is a nice theory on paper, but the problem is you're not going to find a great big man who's going to hit his prime in 4-5 years with Derrick Rose. As a GM you can not plan for something that may be a problem in 5 years.

Rose may not be here in five years, may not be who we think he'll be in five years, or may be hurt in five years. You don't want to go for it tomorrow selling all long term assets for guys who have 2 years left, but if you have guys who are going to give you four years or more then you should feel good about taking them.

Both Boozer and Amare should have four years in their prime left.

 

[dougthonus]

Rose1 wrote:

For the last time, we're not getting Bosh lol.

Replace Bosh with Boozer and you can say the same thing, so why mock someone else for their idea when yours is no more realistic?

The Bulls are pretty big on character, they've shipped out guys with poor attitudes who had a lot of talent. Boozer stabbed our general manager's brother in the back and cost him his job. How likely is it that we sign Boozer?

That's ignoring the issue of not having the cap space to sign him.