Could Detroit ruin our offseason?

[Newskoolbulls]

Simeon2UC wrote:

I agree, too, look at it this way, Blair is a specialist just like Ben Gordon and them guys only can get you so far. In Blair case, the dude is a rebounding force like Reggie Evans, but with more muscle. Seriously, I don't want my Power Forward playing dirty like Rodman or Evans. I don't want to see Blair grabbing Chris Kaman balls. These are the tactics these dudes use, it's shrewd, but it's also lent at the bottom of the pocket. If you look at our roster, the only Superstar in the making is Derrick Rose. You see how he controlled the games last year. I never saw a guy in the Bulls uniform takeover the game like Rose did last year since Jordan or Pippen. Before Rose, Ben Gordon was the closest. Where I'm getting at is simple, if you look at all the teams that has won Championship games, they all had post presence. We do you think Shaq offers his services every year, because the dude presents mismatches. This is where BJ Mullens come in, true enough he's 2 years away from contributing maybe 14 points and 7 rebounds but when you have Rose, they make each other better. At best, I can see Mullens turning out to be somewhat of the talented version of Pau Gasol. Both guys love the flash contact but don't like banging that much. They both are homogeneous. I just hope GM's don't do their homework on his pro's. This guy will be a impact player with Rose in the future. Noah will rub of on Mullens and get him to utilize his talent. I also think drafting a SG is stupid. Gordon will be back. I also dissected Wade comments today on the radio. The guy will be in a Bulls uniform in 2010. He wants to come back home and do it big - as we say in Englewood. Back to the topic, it will be a sad day if Bulls pass on Mullens or at least don't make a effort to grab him before other teams do. When we got Rose, Calapari said this, "A Big Body, inside presence that can play off the pick and roll with Derrick."
My point is, BJ Mullens is that guy we can tweak and build around Rose. We don't need to change the whole team, but add a spice here and there.

No offense but cant you break you post up into paragraphs. It makes it easier to read. Also you dont want your pf playing dirty like Rodman or Evans? I guess you like Miss Tyrus Thomas than. Also Elton Brand and Jalen Rose took over games plenty of times when they were Bulls. Also Wade is not stupid he knows the way he plays he is one bad injury away from not making it to 2010, he will ink an extension asap.

 

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

Reinsdorf has said often that he has no problem spending into the luxury tax, its for who, that matters to him. He wouldn't do it for Gasol, said he would do it for Garnett and Kobe.

If he spends 10 or 11 mil on BG and goes over the luxury tax with a team that barely makes the playoffs, he is a certifiable grade A dumbass!!!

I would argue he's a certifiable grade-A dumbass for not getting Gasol.

Why is it a bad move to re-sign your best player over the last 5 years? Hinrich got paid, Deng got paid and they paif Noc. But for some reason Ben Gordon shouldn't be paid. Even though he's the team's best scorer, best shooter, 3-point shooter and clutch player.

 

[Simeon2UC]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

Simeon2UC wrote:

I agree, too, look at it this way, Blair is a specialist just like Ben Gordon and them guys only can get you so far. In Blair case, the dude is a rebounding force like Reggie Evans, but with more muscle. Seriously, I don't want my Power Forward playing dirty like Rodman or Evans. I don't want to see Blair grabbing Chris Kaman balls. These are the tactics these dudes use, it's shrewd, but it's also lent at the bottom of the pocket. If you look at our roster, the only Superstar in the making is Derrick Rose. You see how he controlled the games last year. I never saw a guy in the Bulls uniform takeover the game like Rose did last year since Jordan or Pippen. Before Rose, Ben Gordon was the closest. Where I'm getting at is simple, if you look at all the teams that has won Championship games, they all had post presence. We do you think Shaq offers his services every year, because the dude presents mismatches. This is where BJ Mullens come in, true enough he's 2 years away from contributing maybe 14 points and 7 rebounds but when you have Rose, they make each other better. At best, I can see Mullens turning out to be somewhat of the talented version of Pau Gasol. Both guys love the flash contact but don't like banging that much. They both are homogeneous. I just hope GM's don't do their homework on his pro's. This guy will be a impact player with Rose in the future. Noah will rub of on Mullens and get him to utilize his talent. I also think drafting a SG is stupid. Gordon will be back. I also dissected Wade comments today on the radio. The guy will be in a Bulls uniform in 2010. He wants to come back home and do it big - as we say in Englewood. Back to the topic, it will be a sad day if Bulls pass on Mullens or at least don't make a effort to grab him before other teams do. When we got Rose, Calapari said this, "A Big Body, inside presence that can play off the pick and roll with Derrick."
My point is, BJ Mullens is that guy we can tweak and build around Rose. We don't need to change the whole team, but add a spice here and there.

No offense but cant you break you post up into paragraphs. It makes it easier to read. Also you dont want your pf playing dirty like Rodman or Evans? I guess you like Miss Tyrus Thomas than. Also Elton Brand and Jalen Rose took over games plenty of times when they were Bulls. Also Wade is not stupid he knows the way he plays he is one bad injury away from not making it to 2010, he will ink an extension asap.

My bad lol. I doubt he does that. The dude is rich and if Arenas got paid, and he's not near the talent of Wade, then I know Wade will opt for 2010. He said that's his plan. Looking forward, he also said that he's very blessed to have that option. The way he was saying it, the dude is serious about taking advantage of it. He takes pride in coming back to Englewood and I have no doubt it's a great possibility he comes back home. I know he's envisioning a new Pippen and Jordan combo of him and Rose. He wants to put his "Chitown" back on the map. The dude is always at Chicago Sky games. He's making it pretty convincing, man. You still didn't counter argue, too. Mullens over Blair all day. I'm hyped, it's draft time and I'm on vacation. What you got?

 

[Simeon2UC]

If you look at every Championship team over the last decade, they had a low post presence. Shaq and Duncan combined, was the MVP's in the finals this decade more than guards. That shows how much a skilled seven footer is, especially to a team that doesn't have one going forward. I honestly think Rose and Mullens can be the Kobe and Shaq reincarnation. Of course, they won't have the feuds going on in the club.

 

[houheffna]

I would argue he's a certifiable grade-A dumbass for not getting Gasol.

Why is it a bad move to re-sign your best player over the last 5 years? Hinrich got paid, Deng got paid and they paif Noc. But for some reason Ben Gordon shouldn't be paid. Even though he's the team's best scorer, best shooter, 3-point shooter and clutch player.

You don't pay 11 or 12 mil and go over the lux tax to keep a midget backcourt together. Let Dumars have a midget backcourt. They don't work. If he accepts 9 mil or less, I will consider signing him, he is a decent player. Just because a player is the best on your team doesn't mean that you break the bank and sign him back. Reinsdorf doesn't think Gasol is a franchise player, I agree with him. I still might have gotten Gasol, but I understand why he didn't, he cannot be the best player on your team and you win a championship.

The best on the team argument is mute, especially when a gang of players 3,4,5 times better than BG will be available in a year or two. If Reinsdorf bitches about lux tax with Wade at the table, then he and I will have a serious problem.

 

[Bullsman24]

houheffna wrote:

No way I pay more than 9 mil for Gordon. No way. If a team wants to pay 11 mil, let him go...

Nor am I a fan of keeping Hinrich/Gordon/Rose and trading Salmons, to have a midget backcourt. No midget backcourt.

do you know who had a midget backcourt, bad boy pistons. do you know whose scoring duties fell on said midget backcourt, bad boy pistons. do you know who won back-to-back championships, bad boy pistons. that's basically what you're getting with these three, hall of fame PG, solid defensive dumars in kirk, scoring enough to crush those vinny johnson comparisons and joe dumar's offense ben gordon. i don't see what people have the problem with. even noah could become like a tall rodman. if we had a low post option, we have even more luxuries than said pistons, not to mention deng when he's good.

 

[Rose1]

Joakim Noah can provide more than Blair could at the Power Forward position. That's my humble opinion.

 

[Shakes]

Kush77 wrote:

You can't compare the Bulls' situation to the Knicks. The players on the Bulls at least have accomplished a little in terms of making the postseason.

Oh we'd obviously be a better team than the Knicks. But if the goal is to win it all, you have to maintain roster flexibility so when you find a piece of the puzzle becomes available you can go out and get it.

In the end if you have all overpaid contracts it doesn't matter if you're a 55 win team or a 23 win team like the Knicks at their worst were. If you're stuck with the team you have, and that team isn't good enough, you'll regret overpaying players.

 

[houheffna]

do you know who had a midget backcourt, bad boy pistons. do you know whose scoring duties fell on said midget backcourt, bad boy pistons. do you know who won back-to-back championships, bad boy pistons. that's basically what you're getting with these three, hall of fame PG, solid defensive dumars in kirk, scoring enough to crush those vinny johnson comparisons and joe dumar's offense ben gordon. i don't see what people have the problem with. even noah could become like a tall rodman. if we had a low post option, we have even more luxuries than said pistons, not to mention deng when he's good.

You have to be kidding!!!! Who is the hall of fame PG? Isiah, Magic, and Stockton are old and retired and Kidd plays for Dallas...you talking about DRose? He hasn't made an allstar game yet! I have explained this before, Gordon is nowhere near Dumars, matter fact Gordon should pay a tax anytime someone compares him to Dumars....Isiah might be the best little man to ever play the game and Dumars is a certifiable HOFer.

Scottie is the one who knocked the midget backcourt. If there was any comparison to Dumars, you think Scottie would have a problem with them? I talked about that comparison weeks ago...no new revelation here. Comparing this backcourt to the bad boys is like comparing a new york strip steak to a slider from White Castle, no comparison, except for height. Skill level, no way. If this is your thinking, you should hang that idea up...for good. Bulls should start Salmons and let BG or Kirk go....

 

[dunkside.com]

houheffna wrote:

No way I pay more than 9 mil for Gordon. No way. If a team wants to pay 11 mil, let him go...

Nor am I a fan of keeping Hinrich/Gordon/Rose and trading Salmons, to have a midget backcourt. No midget backcourt.

agreed.

been saying it for a while. signing hinrich and deng to those contracts has been very very stupid. it was exactly what phila and toronto did (to name just a couple of examples) where after they had a little bit of success they overspent on role players and then were stuck in mediocrity for a long time. and the bulls would too if they didn't luck into rose in the lottery last year.

the best plan for the long term would be to let gordon walk and try and trade deng and hinrich for expirings (and picks if possible). go get shaq for deng + hinrich if possible. then buy shaq out so he can go play wherever the hell he wants. you save some more money (to please jr). then even if you go 0-82 for the season, screw it. you got rose, you got another high lottery pick, you got tyrus, noah and salmons and enough cap space to bring 2 max players. if you get wade or lebron + bosh, you're set. you can fill out the rest of the roster later. role players are easier to find than superstars.