Couple of good articles on moving Long to T and our D-Line.

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Enjoyed the articles, thanks.
 

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Enjoyed the articles, thanks.

We're gonna need to make a lot of cuts on our D-line for sure cause we're definitely over stacked as of now. i wonder how many D-linemen they had on the 53 in San Fran and Denver?? I think the most is usually like 9.
 

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We're gonna need to make a lot of cuts on our D-line for sure cause we're definitely over stacked as of now. i wonder how many D-linemen they had on the 53 in San Fran and Denver?? I think the most is usually like 9.

There should be 6 or 7 d-lineman on the opening roster.
 

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First article talks about the possibility of moving K.Long to T.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/bears-football/7/71/593851/bears-o-line-coach-kyle-long-position

Second article talks about our D-line and how player will be used and other things about our D-Line.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...et-the-most-out-of-their-pass-rushers-in-2015



Both are pretty good reads and don't think either has been posted yet but if they have.................deal with it and move on.


What would be better is a Separate "Long to tackle" Forum.
 

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I initially read that title as moving Long to tackle AND defensive line...which would be cool.
 

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It will be interesting to see what happens on the defensive front. Pace has put the Bears in a position to make choices.

I think Long would be above average anywhere on the line and his talent might be a bit wasted at guard. Plenty quick and strong to play tackle. I just wonder if he's patient enough to be a tackle. Haha, the guy is always looking for the next guy. I think I'd leave him at guard if they don't see him pushing Bushrod to the right.
 

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It will be interesting to see what happens on the defensive front. Pace has put the Bears in a position to make choices.

I think Long would be above average anywhere on the line and his talent might be a bit wasted at guard. Plenty quick and strong to play tackle. I just wonder if he's patient enough to be a tackle. Haha, the guy is always looking for the next guy. I think I'd leave him at guard if they don't see him pushing Bushrod to the right.

If you have a guy like Kyle that has the talent to be a pro bowler at T then i think that's where he should play. He's obviously a great G and a pro bowl G but guards are easier to find.
 
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What would be better is a Separate "Long to tackle" Forum.

I should seriously dislike this. As long as it's not pathetic Cutler, we should be allowed to get excited about Long!

I initially read that title as moving Long to tackle AND defensive line...which would be cool.

You know he could do it, too.

If you have a guy like Kyle that has the talent to be a pro bowler at T then i think that's where he should play. He's obviously a great G and a pro bowl G but guards are easier to find.

+1,000 I've been saying it for years.
 
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DeepChicago;2152004[B said:
]I should seriously dislike this. As long as it's not pathetic Cutler, we should be allowed to get excited about Long![/B]
You know he could do it, too.



+1,000 I've been saying it for years.

Weird that people still get their feathers all riled up over a topic like this over a good player like Long who still has upside. Yet seem to be unphased with seemingly endless threads defending/criticizing a QB who's stunk it up for 5 seasons now. Even weirder that the ones that do get mad about it are the same idiots that misunderstood Kromer, & believed that Guards actually are important than Tackles in any blocking scheme. All Kromer ever meant was that instead of paying huge money or using a first round pick for an elite tackle, with run of the mill Guards, his inside zone blocking scheme put more responsibility on interior linemen than the a typical man blocking schemes the Bears had previously run. In a nutshell all he really meant was to have good linemen all 5 starting positions, rather than two great linemen on the outside with run of the mill interior linemen. Even weirder than that, it always cracked me up that people were dumb enough to argue Guards are more important than Tackles seemed to think Kromers interior zone blocking was unique & that justified their bonehead theory that Guards are more important than tackles. When in fact most of the league now is running what are primarily very similar mixes of inside/outside zone blocking schemes, very similar to Kromers, none of which value guards over tackles. Unless a coach wants to get his QB's ass kicked, they must intend to put their best linemen at tackle with the way that DC's stack & overload pressure off the edges. If an OC were even dumb enough to intentionally put their best linemen on the inside, then be dumb enough to state it publically, every DC in the league just bring extra pressure off the edges knowing that the opponent lacks talent off the edges on the O-line.

I love the idea of moving Long to tackle. I actually wanted the Bears to draft Long but that was assuming he would start out his first season as interior lineman, then move to tackle within his first 3 seasons. In my own opinion, even as one who wanted this pick, to me it will never be worth it's weight unless Long is successfully playing as a tackle. Lance Louis played just as good at RG, whether anyone wants to admit that or not, he was a fifth round pick. Long wasn't even the best pure guard from his own draft class. When when one watches Long & notices he's an excellent pass protecting lineman, one can & should have a better understanding why he could be better at a position that is reliant on good pass protection, rather than RG which relies on having a strong run blocker. I thought Long took a BIG step forward last season as both a pass & run blocker, but pass protection still appears to be a natural strength for him.

I do believe that Long would make an excellent pass protect franchise left tackle playing laterally on the outside for the next 10 years based on his skillset. What Long lacks in arm length, he makes up with athleticism, power, & very good footwork, especially in pass protection. I still believe that having Long at RG is a waste of his talent ass a excellent pass blocker with upside at a position that mostly demands having a strong run blocker more than anything else.
 

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Not going to quote all of that, but I think the vast majority know Long can do more as far as value. Tackles, particularly ones who are athletic enough to play the left side are worth two or three guards. Long had a learning curve, but I really hope he can take the LT spot and push Bushrod to RT. It might be wishful thinking, but I think most believe he can do it or at least realize his value on the line and the difference in value between a RG and LT.

I don't know if he can do it, but I don't think he'd fail based on his size, strength or quickness. I'm guessing he'd want to pull every play.
 

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Lance Louis as good as Long at G? People see what they want to see. To me, he was passable on a very poor line.

As for Long to T, of course we should see if he can do it. 1st RT and then move him to LT when Bushrod's deal is done or sooner if he can do it.
 

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Weird that people still get their feathers all riled up over a topic like this over a good player like Long who still has upside. Yet seem to be unphased with seemingly endless threads defending/criticizing a QB who's stunk it up for 5 seasons now. Even weirder that the ones that do get mad about it are the same idiots that misunderstood Kromer, & believed that Guards actually are important than Tackles in any blocking scheme. All Kromer ever meant was that instead of paying huge money or using a first round pick for an elite tackle, with run of the mill Guards, his inside zone blocking scheme put more responsibility on interior linemen than the a typical man blocking schemes the Bears had previously run. In a nutshell all he really meant was to have good linemen all 5 starting positions, rather than two great linemen on the outside with run of the mill interior linemen. Even weirder than that, it always cracked me up that people were dumb enough to argue Guards are more important than Tackles seemed to think Kromers interior zone blocking was unique & that justified their bonehead theory that Guards are more important than tackles. When in fact most of the league now is running what are primarily very similar mixes of inside/outside zone blocking schemes, very similar to Kromers, none of which value guards over tackles. Unless a coach wants to get his QB's ass kicked, they must intend to put their best linemen at tackle with the way that DC's stack & overload pressure off the edges. If an OC were even dumb enough to intentionally put their best linemen on the inside, then be dumb enough to state it publically, every DC in the league just bring extra pressure off the edges knowing that the opponent lacks talent off the edges on the O-line.

I love the idea of moving Long to tackle. I actually wanted the Bears to draft Long but that was assuming he would start out his first season as interior lineman, then move to tackle within his first 3 seasons. In my own opinion, even as one who wanted this pick, to me it will never be worth it's weight unless Long is successfully playing as a tackle. Lance Louis played just as good at RG, whether anyone wants to admit that or not, he was a fifth round pick. Long wasn't even the best pure guard from his own draft class. When when one watches Long & notices he's an excellent pass protecting lineman, one can & should have a better understanding why he could be better at a position that is reliant on good pass protection, rather than RG which relies on having a strong run blocker. I thought Long took a BIG step forward last season as both a pass & run blocker, but pass protection still appears to be a natural strength for him.

I do believe that Long would make an excellent pass protect franchise left tackle playing laterally on the outside for the next 10 years based on his skillset. What Long lacks in arm length, he makes up with athleticism, power, & very good footwork, especially in pass protection. I still believe that having Long at RG is a waste of his talent ass a excellent pass blocker with upside at a position that mostly demands having a strong run blocker more than anything else.


Terrific Post. I agree with it all. Good job!
 

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if lovie was still in charge he would have moved him to DT by now
 

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I should seriously dislike this. As long as it's not pathetic Cutler, we should be allowed to get excited about Long!



You know he could do it, too.



+1,000 I've been saying it for years.



Nothing about my post insinuates anything negative towards Long. AND, by all means, get excited about him, I am! I was just pointing out that the Long to tackle threads have reached the point of having their own Island.
 

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