Cubs Convention 2012

[Mr. Cub]

Day 2!

2012 Cubs Convention, Day 2 | World Series Dreaming

So awesome! I wish I lived there.

 

[Captain Obvious]

No. A true fan does not support a garbage product at the park. The product has to earn the money of their fans. Thankfully for the Cubs they have loads of non caring about competitiveness cubs teams

How does it make you a true fan if you only support the team when they are winning? That's the definition of a fair-weather fan.

 

[Uman85]

How does it make you a true fan if you only support the team when they are winning? That's the definition of a fair-weather fan.

There's a line between fair weather and not spending money on a team because they're performing poorly. If you still watch the games, but don't give the team any money by not purchasing tickets, attending games, buying merchandise, etc. then that's very acceptable IMO.

 

[brett05]

CO - Uman nailed it. See people going to games on droves gives zero motivation for the team to spend more

 

[brett05]

I missed this part:

Dale Sveum -- Prince Fielder to Chicago Cubs 'not going to happen' - ESPN Chicago

In layman's terms...our team sucks, no point in getting Fielder, lots of work to be done.

Sounds like even Dale and Thei know a 100+ loss season is coming up. It had to be done though

 

[dabynsky]

CO - Uman nailed it. See people going to games on droves gives zero motivation for the team to spend more

Has spending really been the issue the past five years for the Cubs?

 

[brett05]

Kind of. I hate to say it but the Cubs are a cow. A cash cow. They should be spending like the red sox and phillies

 

[dabynsky]

Kind of. I hate to say it but the Cubs are a cow. A cash cow. They should be spending like the red sox and phillies

Last year was the first season since 2005 that the Phillies outspent the Cubs on major league payroll...

 

[brett05]

I know. Before it was the Mets

 

[dabynsky]

I know. Before it was the Mets

Which again goes back to the point that the Cubs have spent plenty. It is poor decisions with that money that has hurt them far more than the amount they have spent.

 

[Rice Cube]

I'm sure the Cubs will spend the money when it's appropriate. You only know what is spent on the major league payroll. Nobody can really quantify how much is being spent on development in Mesa, the DR, Latin America, Asia etc. or on signing foreign free agents. They might even be willing to take a few overslot tax penalties this draft season to stock up. Just because the MLB payroll isn't half a billion dollars doesn't mean they're not spending. They're just spending elsewhere.

 

[Rice Cube]

Yeah, I didn't bother to go out on Day 3 as everyone was going home anyway.

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[bleacherbum54]

I'm sure the Cubs will spend the money when it's appropriate. You only know what is spent on the major league payroll. Nobody can really quantify how much is being spent on development in Mesa, the DR, Latin America, Asia etc. or on signing foreign free agents. They might even be willing to take a few overslot tax penalties this draft season to stock up. Just because the MLB payroll isn't half a billion dollars doesn't mean they're not spending. They're just spending elsewhere.

They arent gonna do over slot penalties they cause you to lose future 1st rd draft picks if they exceed by much which I highly doubt we do.

 

[Rice Cube]

They arent gonna do over slot penalties they cause you to lose future 1st rd draft picks if they exceed by much which I highly doubt we do.

The way the wording is set up, they'll have 5% and 10% cutoffs (or thereabouts). The 5% over slot just comes with a tax, but 10% is when the draft pick penalty applies. So I imagine they'll think about giving up an extra bit of cash without surrendering a draft pick due to those penalty cutoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[bleacherbum54]

The way the wording is set up, they'll have 5% and 10% cutoffs (or thereabouts). The 5% over slot just comes with a tax, but 10% is when the draft pick penalty applies. So I imagine they'll think about giving up an extra bit of cash without surrendering a draft pick due to those penalty cutoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

is it 5% per draft pick??? or the entire draft I would assume it is every pick you can over slot up to 9% without loss of pick but im not to sure.



But we wont be able to over slot like we did last draft.

Maples would of went to UNC and Vogelbach probably would of went to FL.

 

[Rice Cube]

is it 5% per draft pick??? or the entire draft I would assume it is every pick you can over slot up to 9% without loss of pick but im not to sure.



But we wont be able to over slot like we did last draft.

Maples would of went to UNC and Vogelbach probably would of went to FL.

I thought it was per slot. So you can go up to 4.999999% over slot without incurring a tax penalty if I'm reading it right.

I think you're right about guys like Maples and Vogelbach though. They slipped because of signability. But if they really wanted to play baseball, they would come out and say "yes, we'd like to play baseball" and be picked higher rather than slipping to later rounds and then getting paid first-rounder money.

 

[brett05]

Which again goes back to the point that the Cubs have spent plenty. It is poor decisions with that money that has hurt them far more than the amount they have spent.

You are right in that poor decisions have been made but they should also be spending more too given everything

 

[Rice Cube]

You are right in that poor decisions have been made but they should also be spending more too given everything

I honestly think that if they cared about the fan's input they would have signed Prince Fielder, Jose Reyes and Albert Pujols the moment they were available. They do value some fan input, but that's mostly on how Wrigley Field looks and other fan friendly items. They're letting Theo decide where the baseball stuff goes. Theo's pretty much set on a rebuild, and in this case the money will be spent less on MLB and more on player development and scouting. The money is still being spent, just not on expensive free agents.

 

[dabynsky]

You are right in that poor decisions have been made but they should also be spending more too given everything

Your contention intially was that we as Cubs fans shouldn't go because the owner hasn't spent enough. That is simply not the case with the Cubs at this point in time, certainly was the case at points in Cubs history though. The collective owners during the time span I am talking about have allocated enough funds to build a winning team. I wish the amount was higher than it is, but I don't see the need to boycott when teams like the Cardinals can win consistently with a middle of the pack payroll.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Which again goes back to the point that the Cubs have spent plenty. It is poor decisions with that money that has hurt them far more than the amount they have spent.

yep