Cubs in Talks to Acquire Jordan Zimmerman

[TL1961]

This isn't a rental trade. Z would sign a long-term deal before the trade is completed.

I realize that. And Russell could be viewed as "just an asset" that can net other assets. I just think the way he's talked about we'd be nuts to trade him now. He is rated as high as any of our guys (other than Bryant) were previously.

I think Theo's kicking the tires, but I sense he's not willing to part with the Big 4 or 5.

(I am being greedy!)

 

[JimJohnson]

I realize that. And Russell could be viewed as "just an asset" that can net other assets. I just think the way he's talked about we'd be nuts to trade him now. He is rated as high as any of our guys (other than Bryant) were previously.

I think Theo's kicking the tires, but I sense he's not willing to part with the Big 4 or 5.

(I am being greedy!)

I don't think trading Russell for Z is the right move. But if Russell is traded at some point, there is nothing wrong with going with Castro for the long-term.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

This is where we will know if Theo has some Atlanta in him, and knows what he has in his own farm and who is good trade bait for out of town stupid.

 

[CSF77]

Latest On Cubs’ Rotation Targets
By Jeff Todd [November 11, 2014 at 8:04pm CST]
9:21pm: The Nationals and Cubs have not exchanged names and a deal is unlikely, tweets Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.

 

[chibears55]

Latest On Cubs’ Rotation Targets
By Jeff Todd [November 11, 2014 at 8:04pm CST]
9:21pm: The Nationals and Cubs have not exchanged names and a deal is unlikely, tweets Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.

Lmao.. and whittenmeyer tweeted in the beginning that they were going over names...

This is the part i hate about the off season, you cant really get excited about anything because you dont know what to believe.

 

[CSF77]

I realize that. And Russell could be viewed as "just an asset" that can net other assets. I just think the way he's talked about we'd be nuts to trade him now. He is rated as high as any of our guys (other than Bryant) were previously.

I think Theo's kicking the tires, but I sense he's not willing to part with the Big 4 or 5.

(I am being greedy!)

Soler or Bryant no. Both have complete games and both play positions where the system does not have strong depth. Alcantara has Almora behind him. Castro has Russell behind him and vice versa. Baez could be back filled with Alcantara or Russell.

Russell has the most value of all prospect right now as he plays SS and that is a premium position. Bryant no team would even bother to even ask the Cubs. 40+ HR power with a strong BB% is hard to find. The fact that the Cubs have Castro and Baez makes Russell target #1. Almora and Vogelbach would also b good pieces to use in deals as they are depth right now vs starter projections. They would hold more value to teams lacking impact starters at those positions.

 

[CSF77]

Lmao.. and whittenmeyer tweeted in the beginning that they were going over names...

This is the part i hate about the off season, you cant really get excited about anything because you dont know what to believe.

You know Sully went out of his way to find that info to burn Wittenmyer. Made him look like a crackpot.

Still it brough up some good points on who would they be willing to trade and who they would be willing to trade for. Zimm would be a strong target.

 

[DewsSox79]

My guess - and it is, of course, only that - is that it is in addition to a FA signing. Why forego the FA's that cost no prospects, and only acquire through a trade?

If this trade happened, I would expect it would cost less than what Hamels would, so I like the idea.

The only problem is, I do not want to let ANY of the core prospects go at this point. I want acquisitions while retaining all the young prospects.

Now, if they take Vogelbach and Olt, I am happy with it!

In reality, I would expect to be happy with it regardless. But that is only if they make this move and Lester or close to it.

Think the Nats may go after Scherzer?

lol vogelbach and olt for zimmerman.


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[DewsSox79]

If they want Castro, they would need to include something else in the deal. Otherwise, we can just wait a year and sign him as a FA. Nats aren't going to pay him what he wants so they're really at the mercy of the trade market.

rofl


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[JZsportsfan]

Read on Twitter that the Nats could ask for Castro, but would likely have to add more to the pie then just one year of Zimmerman based on Castro's contract, and value. Will try to find the source

 

[SilenceS]

Zimmermann would be great if he can be had for not a ton. The problem is he is a FA next year and will cost a chunk of change. He will be 29 early into the next season and his IP doesnt say horse. Great pitcher, but I would try to sign Lester and hang onto my assets for later use.

 

[chibears55]

We can all stop talking about Zimmerman because now the " sources " say there no deal being discussed...

In the future im going to ignore these sources rumors until deals are confirmed. .

 

[JZsportsfan]

Since the Cubs initiated the trade at least it says they are going to be aggressive. It doesn't make a lot of sense to send a lot over for a guy who is likely to hit the open market in a year. Sign either Lester or Scherzer, and Masterson on a cheap 1-year deal. That'd be a decent rotation and then give the Cubs 2 more open spots heading into next year for another potential FA signing, or an Edwards/Johnson type

 

[beckdawg]

Came across this late apparently though I'd mentioned I felt the Nats were going to make this sort of move. I'd assume if it were legitimate talks it would center around either Baez or Russell because Desmond is unlikely to re-sign and they have nothing to replace him after this year. My thoughts originally were the cubs might be able to build a package around Baez for Strasburg but it appears if the Nats want to move a pitcher it would be Zimmerman. I wouldn't hate the idea of Zimmerman for Baez+ personally.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

We can all stop talking about Zimmerman because now the " sources " say there no deal being discussed...

In the future im going to ignore these sources rumors until deals are confirmed. .

I'm reasonably certain the Cubs played Wittenmeyer. Here's a guy that has promoted a ridiculous anti-Cubs agenda for years and that the Cubs could afford to burn. A few hours later they called the reporters they really trust (Jesse Rogers, Paul Sullivan) and denied the whole thing. Boston made an offer to Lester yesterday. This was to light a fire under him and let him know they have other options. Kind of brilliant actually.

 

[chibears55]

I'm reasonably certain the Cubs played Wittenmeyer. Here's a guy that has promoted a ridiculous anti-Cubs agenda for years and that the Cubs could afford to burn. A few hours later they called the reporters they really trust (Jesse Rogers, Paul Sullivan) and denied the whole thing. Boston made an offer to Lester yesterday. This was to light a fire under him and let him know they have other options. Kind of brilliant actually.

Not really if they denied anything was going on an hour later... if they want lester that bad just make him an offer he cant refuse, its that simple

 

[CSF77]

They should focus on Martin and Lester first before attempting to acquire 2nd tier targets or trading talent. That should be saved for later.

Masterson is still a #3 at best. He is not better than Arrieta and Hendricks potentially could give equal production. Masterson is just trying to rebuild his value and the Cubs would just want to use him in a flip.

A good case scenario for the Cubs this off season is to sign Lester at 150 mil front loaded and sign Martin for 60 mil. Then Turner is on a 1 mil major league/500 k minor league split deal. Have him start in Iowa and have him work on his secondary offerings. Sign Masterson on a flip deal. Trade deadline they flip Masterson and promote Turner.

Following year Wada comes off contract and they push hard for Price with the open spot in the rotation.

That is a good 15 month window plan.

I would say they should kick the tires on Scherzer but reportally Boras wants over 200 mil and that becomes a owner decision and I'm betting that the Rickett's will pass on that. Now after a TV deal has been struck then it is more likely. Thus them in the Price sweepstakes. Price should be in the 200 mil range also but the Cubs should have more revenue sources active by then.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

They should focus on Martin and Lester first before attempting to acquire 2nd tier targets or trading talent. That should be saved for later.

Masterson is still a #3 at best. He is not better than Arrieta and Hendricks potentially could give equal production. Masterson is just trying to rebuild his value and the Cubs would just want to use him in a flip.

A good case scenario for the Cubs this off season is to sign Lester at 150 mil front loaded and sign Martin for 60 mil. Then Turner is on a 1 mil major league/500 k minor league split deal. Have him start in Iowa and have him work on his secondary offerings. Sign Masterson on a flip deal. Trade deadline they flip Masterson and promote Turner.

Following year Wada comes off contract and they push hard for Price with the open spot in the rotation.

That is a good 15 month window plan.

I would say they should kick the tires on Scherzer but reportally Boras wants over 200 mil and that becomes a owner decision and I'm betting that the Rickett's will pass on that. Now after a TV deal has been struck then it is more likely. Thus them in the Price sweepstakes. Price should be in the 200 mil range also but the Cubs should have more revenue sources active by then.

Mostly agree with that. I do think the Zimmerman talk was to light a fire under Lester. If I'm right they make him an offer within the next two days, probably significantly higher than the reported Boston offer of 6 years/$120 mil. I'd go 6 years/$145 mil and let him counter. I'm guessing he'd sign for just under6/$160. Then you could kick the tires on Zimmerman if you want or give it a shot at the deadline if you're at .500 or better.

 

[brett05]

I'm thinking this is Sanchez all over again and Lester is just playing the market to get Boston to pay market or at least close to it.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I'm thinking this is Sanchez all over again and Lester is just playing the market to get Boston to pay market or at least close to it.

Maybe. If he's set on going back to Boston that's the way to play it. If destination isn't important he could just wait for Scherzer to sign because he'll get his money then for certain.