Cullimore placed on waivers

[Capt. Serious]

TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie

Jassen Cullimore (CHI) and Jon Sim (NYI) on waivers.

Please, someone claim him...not named us. ray:

 

[DMelt36]

Also says that he's playing tonight.

Awkward.

 

[DMelt36]

In the event of Cullimore's departure, the Blackhawks believe they should be fine with their latest acquisition. Should perform about the same as Cullimore.

 

[tbo41fan]

^ lmao

Hendry back in lineup at defense then since Johnson was signed?

 

[Capt. Serious]

Teams have til noon tomorrow. (to claim him)

Hope they see a juicy two way contract of his & take him off our hands.

 

[tbo41fan]

Tim Sassone:

Q didn't want to discuss why Cullimore on waivers until the process completes Saturday. Holiday trade freeze starts Sunday. #blackhawks

Maybe he is involved in a trade, or we have a trade in place that needs a roster spot?

 

[Captain Iago]

That might have something to do with it as if the Hawks were to make a trade right now, players moved would have to equal players attained.

 

[Relapse]

John Scott needs to join him. I honestly would get a hard-on if I did not have to watch John Scott attempt to skate 4 minuets every game. Seriously what is the point in dressing a player who gets tired playing one and a half minuets a period and is possibly the worst player in the league?

 

[Captain Iago]

^ Some don't get it.

 

[southern_cross_116]

John Scott:

ok- no offense, but ok here goes..

John Scott - hockeyfights.com



He ain't on the team to stick handle. I have zero idea why anyone actually expects anything else..

unless, one goes to White Castles looking for Prime Rib...

-Scott happens to be one of the few guys on the team actually doing what he is paid to do --- now you can debate all you like, about if that has any impact on winning hockey games. It may not -well it has not, rather...

Exhibit A: Scott doing what he is paid to do.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/5006/fightcard/reg2011

 

[AddisonStation]

John Scott:

ok- no offense, but ok here goes..

John Scott - hockeyfights.com



He ain't on the team to stick handle. I have zero idea why anyone actually expects anything else..

unless, one goes to White Castles looking for Prime Rib...

-Scott happens to be one of the few guys on the team actually doing what he is paid to do --- now you can debate all you like, about if that has any impact on winning hockey games. It may not -well it has not, rather...

Exhibit A: Scott doing what he is paid to do.

John Scott 2010-2011 Regular Season Fight Card - hockeyfights.com

Ya i get what your saying but in the new NHL you cannot have a player take up a roster spot to just fight... Most of the fighters these days can at least skate, pass, and shoot... Scott is a wasted roster spot. Anyone can fight....

 

[DewsSox79]

PEace out culli

 

[Derkach77]

Culli has been a disappointment I hope Scott steps up.

 

[Relapse]

John Scott:

ok- no offense, but ok here goes..

John Scott - hockeyfights.com



He ain't on the team to stick handle. I have zero idea why anyone actually expects anything else..

unless, one goes to White Castles looking for Prime Rib...

-Scott happens to be one of the few guys on the team actually doing what he is paid to do --- now you can debate all you like, about if that has any impact on winning hockey games. It may not -well it has not, rather...

Exhibit A: Scott doing what he is paid to do.

John Scott 2010-2011 Regular Season Fight Card - hockeyfights.com

The instigator rule has made "enforcers" useless. The NHL over the last few years has made it clear you cannot make a run at star players and now fighting is a part of the game for the fans. With the shorter shifts and faster style of play the league has evolved into you have "agitators," guys who can skate and have limited skill but are willing to drop the gloves when needed. Jake Dowell fits that role perfectly, I can care less if we win a fight because it is meaningless when it comes to winning. So why should be continue to waste a roster spot for a guy who cannot do anything other than throw punches? All it does is strain the other 11 forwards.

 

[Captain Iago]

The instigator rule has made "enforcers" useless. The NHL over the last few years has made it clear you cannot make a run at star players and now fighting is a part of the game for the fans. With the shorter shifts and faster style of play the league has evolved into you have "agitators," guys who can skate and have limited skill but are willing to drop the gloves when needed. Jake Dowell fits that role perfectly, I can care less if we win a fight because it is meaningless when it comes to winning. So why should be continue to waste a roster spot for a guy who cannot do anything other than throw punches? All it does is strain the other 11 forwards.

Dowell has to work on his "agitating" for me to truly consider him one. Yeah, he'll drop the gloves, but I'd like to see more chippiness from him if he's going to play the role. Also, teams do not change their approach when he's not in the lineup as teams do when Scott is in the lineup (e.a. the two games in SJ). This is one of the (albeit I'll concede few) reasons how Scott brings value to this team and does, in fact, contribute to winning. And, at 512k, that'll work.

I think that if Scott was placed on waivers, then he'd be picked up by some team in a New York minute.

 

[Relapse]

Dowell has to work on his "agitating" for me to truly consider him one. Yeah, he'll drop the gloves, but I'd like to see more chippiness from him if he's going to play the role. Also, teams do not change their approach when he's not in the lineup as teams do when Scott is in the lineup (e.a. the two games in SJ). This is one of the (albeit I'll concede few) reasons how Scott brings value to this team and does, in fact, contribute to winning. And, at 512k, that'll work.

I understand your point of view and will agree with it. Let me ask you though is John Scott really worth dressing every game for the minor and limited reasons you listed above or would you agree that a minimum cap hit player like Ben Smith would be far more valuable to take his roster spot. Ben Smith has already proved he can compete in the NHL and would take stress of the team by being able to play more ice time and produce.

"Chippiness" is an irrelevant attribute, it is like when people say they like "grinders" in baseball. It holds no value in the aspect of winning, and winning is the only thing that matters.

 

[Captain Iago]

I understand your point of view and will agree with it. Let me ask you though is John Scott really worth dressing every game for the minor and limited reasons you listed above or would you agree that a minimum cap hit player like Ben Smith would be far more valuable to take his roster spot. Ben Smith has already proved he can compete in the NHL and would take stress of the team by being able to play more ice time and produce.

"Chippiness" is an irrelevant attribute, it is like when people say they like "grinders" in baseball. It holds no value in the aspect of winning, and winning is the only thing that matters.

Maybe instead of fact, I should say that it can contribute to winning. Teams have really come running at the Hawks when Scott has not been in the lineup. Hell, it sure would be nice if Scott had skill; he would practically be a Probert clone (and I mean that going back in his Wings days when he actually had hands to go along with his fisticuffs - he truly was unreal).

Trying to skate 4 "skilled" lines doesn't work, though. I agree with you that the whole grinder/fire/passion crap doesn't have value in baseball; however, because of the physical nature of hockey, I actually do subscribe to it having value in hockey. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think having Scott in the lineup (even if it is for around 5 minutes per game) actually contributes to allow our best players to play at their best (well, whatever that seems to be these days).

Ultimately, I wouldn't call "chippiness" an irrelevant attribute, but one that is certainly difficult to place a value upon.

 

[Relapse]

All good well thought out points Iago but I don't think I can be swayed on my opinion of Scott. I would not have as much of a problem with the guy if at least he played with energy and worked hard, not too much to ask from a guy only skating 5 minuets a night. The fact that he just loafs around and plays incredibly lazy makes it so I cannot look past all his short-comings.

 

[southern_cross_116]

The thing is -- it is not the production that is keeping the team from winning, but rather the lack of defense. Scott is not on the ice to impact the defense -being buried on the 4th -and has little impact overall depth. If the rest of the team was running out of gas because of the 4th line- then that would be a little out of the ordinary. Aside from the core guys the team seems to have a lot of samey type guys out there that don't really seem to have a well defined role.

The problem with the team seems to be that the best offensive guys on the team are also the best defensive guys (Hossa, Toews, Sharp) -so there is no real shut down forward line.

~~

It seems to be more of a moot point, since the team isn't winning -but rather treading water at best. It isn't due to "lack of depth" that can be pinned on one guy.

You know what happens if you switch Scott out for another of the border line minor league guys? Nothing different. There are too many of those guys floating around, and if you try to build a line around them, you are not really going to have anything but a line that is a liability at the NHL level.

 

[Captain Iago]

Fair enough; I didn't think I'd change your mind, but good discussion nonetheless.

Back on Cullimore - he actually had a good game tonight - I recall him saving one goal tonight. Doing his best to go to a real contender tomorrow?