Cutler or Tannehill??

[payton 34ever]

Dolphins fans call him Tanne-turnover though. Might be a case of greener on the other side.

Definite case of grass is greener. Part of me wants some these young fans who ***** about Cutler to get their way and the Bears get rid of him. When guys the quality of Moses Moreno and Jonathan Quinn are QBing the team the silence will be deafening and this board will die.

 

[Willis1524]

Tannehill had a good year last year, but his first two years in the league he threw 36 TDs and had 30 INTs. Cutler's had 6 seasons since the stats you quoted, obviously much better than year 3 of what you showed if his AVG is 85.2. The point is we don't know what Tannehill's going to do going forward; was last year an anomaly or did he get it together finally and will do that every year going forward? At this point I don't believe in him yet to be any better than Cutler long term.

Even so, based on age alone tannehill should be the answer to this question. Take the possibility of the upside and the longevity. Now just one game I would take cutler.

 

[gpphat]

Dolphins fans call him Tanne-turnover though. Might be a case of greener on the other side.

Tannehill's Int % (interceptions /attempts) in his first 3 years starting was at a high of 2.9 (2013) and a low of 2.0 (2014)

Cutler's Int % in his first 3 years as a starter was at a high of 4.7 (2009) and a low of 2.9 (2008)

In short, in terms of interception rate Cutler's best year equaled Tannehill's worst year. Even if you compare Cutler's career int rate, he still doesn't get below 3.0, he only had a rate below 3 twice in his career where Tannehill only came close to 3 once.

Even if you compare Tannehill's int numbers to the rest of the league over his first 3 years, the worst he was rated was 8th in total Int's. In 2012 he was 16th and 2014 he was 15th in total int's. In Tannehill's worst year in total int's he had 5 more Int's than Cutler but also played in 5 more games. In 2013 Cutler was averaging 1.09 Int's a game, so Cutler was on pace to throw as many if not more picks than Tannehill. He also may have played better and not have thrown as many, which is why I use the rate statistic.

 

[FirstTimer]

Tannehill. How is this even a question?

 

[sevvy]

You say you don't want this to be a Cutler thread, then you state his name 5 times.....

I heard if you do that in front of the bathroom mirror with the door locked and the lights out, Cutler will appear behind you and throw an interception.

 

[onebud34]

Tannehill had a good year last year, but his first two years in the league he threw 36 TDs and had 30 INTs. Cutler's had 6 seasons since the stats you quoted, obviously much better than year 3 of what you showed if his AVG is 85.2. The point is we don't know what Tannehill's going to do going forward; was last year an anomaly or did he get it together finally and will do that every year going forward? At this point I don't believe in him yet to be any better than Cutler long term.

I believe his point was to show that Tannehill improved every year...no?

So the trend is that he will have a better career than Cultler.

 

[FirstTimer]

People just need to accept that Jay was given a contract in line with other average QBs with "potential". If he flames out with Gase, the team moves on. Big deal.

The problem with your theory is that Cutler was given this contract as a stagnated 30 year old. Tannehill was given the contract as a developing 25/26 year old.

Tannehill is younger, improving, and has the better contract.

This should be a no brainer in Tannehill's favor.

 

[Willis1524]

Tannehill's Int % (interceptions /attempts) in his first 3 years starting was at a high of 2.9 (2013) and a low of 2.0 (2014)

Cutler's Int % in his first 3 years as a starter was at a high of 4.7 (2009) and a low of 2.9 (2008)

In short, in terms of interception rate Cutler's best year equaled Tannehill's worst year. Even if you compare Cutler's career int rate, he still doesn't get below 3.0, he only had a rate below 3 twice in his career where Tannehill only came close to 3 once.

Even if you compare Tannehill's int numbers to the rest of the league over his first 3 years, the worst he was rated was 8th in total Int's. In 2012 he was 16th and 2014 he was 15th in total int's. In Tannehill's worst year in total int's he had 5 more Int's than Cutler but also played in 5 more games. In 2013 Cutler was averaging 1.09 Int's a game, so Cutler was on pace to throw as many if not more picks than Tannehill. He also may have played better and not have thrown as many, which is why I use the rate statistic.

But that is only one piece of the puzzle. I don't have access to the ypa and comp% anymore while I'm at work, but the fact that their average passer rating is so close I would assume that cutler leads on some other categories. I think because of all the turnovers cutler commits bears fans tend to only focus on them and not the rest. People were still crying with Orton and his less turnovers because of the other stats.

 

[onebud34]

Definite case of grass is greener. Part of me wants some these young fans who ***** about Cutler to get their way and the Bears get rid of him. When guys the quality of Moses Moreno and Jonathan Quinn are QBing the team the silence will be deafening and this board will die.

I think most of the fanbase that want him gone remember the QB'ing season of 84.

 

[WindyCity]

Neither

But if I had to pick give me Tannehill, he still is young enough to expect improvement.

Cutler is on the downside from mediocre.

 

[FirstTimer]

Tannehill had a good year last year, but his first two years in the league he threw 36 TDs and had 30 INTs. Cutler's had 6 seasons since the stats you quoted, obviously much better than year 3 of what you showed if his AVG is 85.2. The point is we don't know what Tannehill's going to do going forward; was last year an anomaly or did he get it together finally and will do that every year going forward? At this point I don't believe in him yet to be any better than Cutler long term.

This is an idiotic view point.

You're discounting Tannehill's improvement as a possible anomaly in part because you're hoping Cutler will eventually maybe have a season which would be an anomaly in Cutler's career.

Just stupid.

Tannehill is younger, seemingly on the up swing, and has a better contract. There's zero reason to not take him over at Cutler given the present evidence.

Definite case of grass is greener. Part of me wants some these young fans who ***** about Cutler to get their way and the Bears get rid of him. When guys the quality of Moses Moreno and Jonathan Quinn are QBing the team the silence will be deafening and this board will die.

Irrelevant.

 

[FirstTimer]

But that is only one piece of the puzzle. I don't have access to the ypa and comp% anymore while I'm at work, but the fact that their average passer rating is so close I would assume that cutler leads on some other categories. I think because of all the turnovers cutler commits bears fans tend to only focus on them and not the rest. People were still crying with Orton and his less turnovers because of the other stats.

Tannehill's Comp% and Y/A last year were both better. A quick look and the only place Cutler was better was his TD% and YPG.

 

[gpphat]

Tannehill had a good year last year, but his first two years in the league he threw 36 TDs and had 30 INTs. Cutler's had 6 seasons since the stats you quoted, obviously much better than year 3 of what you showed if his AVG is 85.2. The point is we don't know what Tannehill's going to do going forward; was last year an anomaly or did he get it together finally and will do that every year going forward? At this point I don't believe in him yet to be any better than Cutler long term.

Outside of his rookie year he has thrown 51 TD's and had 29 Int's...yes I agree his career has been short so far so when you take out his best year his stats are going to look bad, but conversely when you take out his worst year he is going to look pretty freakin good. Which is why I showed all 3 years in order to show he has progressively gotten better with each year. And I compared it to Cutler's first 3 years as a starter because that is comparing apples to apples.

The original question was who would you rather have Cutler at his contract he signed in 2014 making him a 30 year old QB who hasn't been anything better than an average QB...or Tannehill at 26 who has been progressively getting better in his first 3 years in the league at a contract less than Cutler's, shorter than Cutler's, with less guaranteed money. Again, it's a no brainer...I'll take Tannehill every single time and I am trying my best to look at this objectively. But I have also admitted to being a Tannehill fanboy for a while now so that could also be a factor in this.

 

[Willis1524]

Tannehill's Comp% and Y/A last year were both better. A quick look and the only place Cutler was better was his TD% and YPG.

Thanks. Tannehill is the correct answer at this time no matter how you look at it though.

 

[KittiesKorner]

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[didshereallysaythat]

Tough call.

Anyone see how Russell Wilson wants to be the highest paid QB in History. Unfortunately, the Seahawks are going to do the smart thing and franchise him.

 

[FirstTimer]

Outside of his rookie year he has thrown 51 TD's and had 29 Int's...yes I agree his career has been short so far so when you take out his best year his stats are going to look bad, but conversely when you take out his worst year he is going to look pretty freakin good. Which is why I showed all 3 years in order to show he has progressively gotten better with each year. And I compared it to Cutler's first 3 years as a starter because that is comparing apples to apples.

The original question was who would you rather have Cutler at his contract he signed in 2014 making him a 30 year old QB who hasn't been anything better than an average QB...or Tannehill at 26 who has been progressively getting better in his first 3 years in the league at a contract less than Cutler's, shorter than Cutler's, with less guaranteed money. Again, it's a no brainer...I'll take Tannehill every single time and I am trying my best to look at this objectively. But I have also admitted to being a Tannehill fanboy for a while now so that could also be a factor in this.

In fairness too Cutler's contract is really only 1 more year of money. So it's really not a 7 year deal the way the Bears structured it. It's a three/four deal with a bunch of team options at the end of it. Not sure how Tannehill's money/years are structured though

 

[onebud34]

Definite case of grass is greener. Part of me wants some these young fans who ***** about Cutler to get their way and the Bears get rid of him. When guys the quality of Moses Moreno and Jonathan Quinn are QBing the team the silence will be deafening and this board will die.

Irrelevant.

I still don't understand why that is brought up as a counterpoint from the Cutler supporters. It's not like past QBs are going to affect whom the Bears select after Cutler is gone.

 

[FirstTimer]

I still don't understand why that is brought up as a counterpoint from the Cutler supporters. It's not like past QBs are going to affect whom the Bears select after Cutler is gone.

Because they are morons.

Cutler being better than 1998 Moses Moreno or 2004 Jonathan Quinn has no bearing on who this Bears staff and FO would choose to QB the team in 2015 and beyond.

Yes, Quinn and Moreno were bad. But that was 10-20 years ago. Why does it matter?

 

[gpphat]

But that is only one piece of the puzzle. I don't have access to the ypa and comp% anymore while I'm at work, but the fact that their average passer rating is so close I would assume that cutler leads on some other categories. I think because of all the turnovers cutler commits bears fans tend to only focus on them and not the rest. People were still crying with Orton and his less turnovers because of the other stats.

Cutlers first 3 years as a starter

2007 - 63.6 comp %, 3497 yards, 20 TD's (TD% - 4.3), 14 Int's (Int % - 3.0), 218.6 Y/G, 88.1 rating
2008 - 62.3 comp %, 4526 yards, 25 TD's (TD% - 4.1), 18 Int's (Int% - 2.9), 282.9 Y/G, 86.0 rating
2009 - 60.5 comp %, 3666 yards, 27 TD's (TD% - 4.9), 26 Int's (Int% - 4.7), 229.1 Y/G, 76.8 rating

Tannehill

2012 - 58.3 comp %, 3294 yards, 12 TD's (TD% - 2.5), 13 Int's (Int% - 2.7), 205.9 Y/G, 76.1 rating
2013 - 60.4 comp %, 3913 yards, 24 TD's (TD% - 4.1), 17 Int's (Int% - 2.9), 244.6 Y/G, 81.7 rating
2014 - 66.4 comp %, 4045 yards, 27 TD's (TD% - 4.6), 12 Int's (Int% - 2.0), 252.8 Y/G, 92.8 rating