David Carr on the QB prospects

[mattb78]

Johnny Manziel beat Alabama and put up huge numbers against them as well.

 

[WindyCity]

Johnny Manziel beat Alabama and put up huge numbers against them as well.

You left out that he was an undersized drug addict.

 

[WindyCity]

I have always respected your opinion Windy but you are asking alot to expect Watson to make that kind of jump.

Watson is not showing alot of PRO qualities. Progression issues, lack of pro arm strength, lack of pinpoint accuracy.

He is a great kid. But as more analysis comes in, his skill set looks closer to Vince young or Johnny Manziel.

The NFL chews up one-read chuck it or tuck it QBs every season. All of those kids looked electric in college as well.

He is 100x smarter and has better intangibles than those losers.

He is not a 1 read/tuck and run QB. He is a guy that has played in a simple offense and we are taking the same leap of faith with Trubisky who is coming from a simple offense.

The accuracy is a legit critique. He needs to improve that and show more consistency. It is not that you don't see him make nice throws outside the hashes, the NC game is littered with them, but his consistency is the issue, which in my world is via able if he can replicate the footwork and mechanics of the good throws.


I know that Watson needs work, but I am 100% confident that he will reach whatever his potential is based on his work ethic and intangibles.

 

[BearClaw55]

Deshaun Watson, Clemson

Right now, Watson is wowing everybody with what he does on the board -- but what I'm seeing on film is a guy who hasn't done any of that in a game. It's one thing to learn Cover 2, draw it up and explain how to read it. It's another thing to go and physically do what you're drawing in a game atmosphere. Trubisky is the only one I've seen do this. Whereas, in a game, Watson stares at his first target -- and continues to stare -- while two others are open. Whether that's the scheme Clemson ran or him not being able to do it, Watson is locked in on one guy. Once that doesn't work, he beats everyone on his feet and makes plays because he's that great of an athlete. I'm not guaranteeing he won't be able to start on Day 1. I just don't know if he'll be ready to do it.

The week before the combine, I was in a flag football tournament with Kurt Warner, and we played against Dak Prescott. We all know the success he enjoyed in Year 1 with Dallas. I see many similarities between Prescott and Watson, in terms of athleticism and the systems they played in during college. Prescott is a perfect example of how a system can make or break you. He rolled into a great system with great resources -- with Tony Romo, Scott Linehan and Jason Garrett all in the QB room -- and he was able to learn and apply his knowledge to the field extremely quick. Like Prescott, I think Watson has the ability to succeed early, but he must have a perfect fit.
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I guess he only watched the two or three games they lost in three years & none of the Bama games. If he hasn't seen him do it in the games.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

I think DeShone Kizer will be the pick the Chicago T-Shirt thing and the other subtly hints, I feel is pointing toward the Bears drafting him at number 3.

hes actually a chicago(band) fan.

 

[Bearly]

Agreed. I wonder who's paying Carr to say these things about Trubisky. Hell, if Trubisky were that damn good his team woulda' either won their bowl game or had a good enuff record to play in a higher bowl game. Also Trubisky played in a one read "O"spread just like Watson. I've watched Trubisky's mechanics and there were many times where he threw off his back-foot.

Can Trubisky be a good Qb....yes. Does he have mobility.....yes. But he's not head & shoulders above all the Qb's in this draft NO. If he's forced to start immediately, he will not have the success Prescott had and u can book it. What the other Qb's lack in this draft are the Trubisky "spin doctors"

LOL. Which of them will have that success? You so crazy.

 

[westcoast bear fanatic]

I'm cool with hearing out Carr's take but let's not forget he is not an NFL talent evaluator and he has had his brains bashed in a few too many times.

I will credit David with helping out his little bro Derek though. Like any good old brother would do he used his past mistakes as lessons for his little bro and I think he helped Derek get ready for the NFL.

 

[Aesopian]

hes actually a chicago(band) fan.

 

[Raskolnikov]

burn the aliens down

 

[run and shoot]

Quote Originally Posted by run and shoot View Post
Agreed. I wonder who's paying Carr to say these things about Trubisky. Hell, if Trubisky were that damn good his team woulda' either won their bowl game or had a good enuff record to play in a higher bowl game. Also Trubisky played in a one read "O"spread just like Watson. I've watched Trubisky's mechanics and there were many times where he threw off his back-foot.

Can Trubisky be a good Qb....yes. Does he have mobility.....yes. But he's not head & shoulders above all the Qb's in this draft NO. If he's forced to start immediately, he will not have the success Prescott had and u can book it. What the other Qb's lack in this draft are the Trubisky "spin doctors"

LOL. Which of them will have that success? You so crazy.

At this point based on accomplishment and results......Watson

bottom line....even though u have a pic of him and luv him........Trubisky is NOT the top Qb in this draft. His resume just doesn't support it. His accomplishments in 2016 don't support it. Can he develop into a decent NFL Qb....yes. Is he above all the other Qb's in this draft NO.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I will still ride with Watson.

At least I know he won't suck because of work ethic, ability to handle pressure, or because people won't follow him.


He could epicly bust out, but I am willing to roll the dice.

The problem with that mentality comes up when you stay too long with the guy cause he was such a high pick and then you offer him a huge contract even after he's proven he's a loser and then 8 years down the road you're still losing with this overpaid loser.

 

[Shepard]

The problem with that mentality comes up when you stay too long with the guy cause he was such a high pick and then you offer him a huge contract even after he's proven he's a loser and then 8 years down the road you're still losing with this overpaid loser.

Ughhhh....this is going to on for another 8 years isn't it?

God damnit, Spartan.

Windy is selling me on Watson, though...he really is.

 

[run and shoot]

Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
I will still ride with Watson.

At least I know he won't suck because of work ethic, ability to handle pressure, or because people won't follow him.


He could epicly bust out, but I am willing to roll the dice.

The problem with that mentality comes up when you stay too long with the guy cause he was such a high pick and then you offer him a huge contract even after he's proven he's a loser and then 8 years down the road you're still losing with this overpaid loser.

so what is there to indicate Watson will be a loser

 

[Bearly]

At this point based on accomplishment and results......Watson

bottom line....even though u have a pic of him and luv him........Trubisky is NOT the top Qb in this draft. His resume just doesn't support it. His accomplishments in 2016 don't support it. Can he develop into a decent NFL Qb....yes. Is he above all the other Qb's in this draft NO.

That's just it. We all have our preferences but none of us 'know' which will become great, if any. The pick is of my top 3, not just Trubisky and I'm on record with being just fine with Pace not taking a QB at #3. Will be fun to see how the GMs rank them on draft day. At least I don't suffer from penis envy like you do with Trubisky.

 

[Camden Cutler]

david carr is obviously racist

 

[BearClaw55]

DAY 1 STARTER


Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina

Although limited in college reps, Trubisky has the best chance to start immediately. On film, I've seen him go through read progressions consistently. He looks from his main target to the next guy and sometimes even his third and fourth options. He also has the ability to tuck the ball and run, making a positive play. I think a lot of people are sleeping on Trubisky's athleticism. His build (6-foot-2, 222 pounds) reminds me of my brother, Derek, and Aaron Rodgers. People don't generally look at those two and see great athletes, but they can take off and run and are really good at it. I see Trubisky being this type of player.

Trubisky, who throws the ball from different arm angles, had a solid pro day, showing off his arm strength and accuracy. He has all the tools needed to be a Day 1 starter and I have fewer questions surrounding him heading into this month's draft, which begins at 8 p.m. ET on April 27 in Philadelphia.

HIT OR MISS

Deshaun Watson, Clemson

Right now, Watson is wowing everybody with what he does on the board -- but what I'm seeing on film is a guy who hasn't done any of that in a game. It's one thing to learn Cover 2, draw it up and explain how to read it. It's another thing to go and physically do what you're drawing in a game atmosphere. Trubisky is the only one I've seen do this. Whereas, in a game, Watson stares at his first target -- and continues to stare -- while two others are open. Whether that's the scheme Clemson ran or him not being able to do it, Watson is locked in on one guy. Once that doesn't work, he beats everyone on his feet and makes plays because he's that great of an athlete. I'm not guaranteeing he won't be able to start on Day 1. I just don't know if he'll be ready to do it.

The week before the combine, I was in a flag football tournament with Kurt Warner, and we played against Dak Prescott. We all know the success he enjoyed in Year 1 with Dallas. I see many similarities between Prescott and Watson, in terms of athleticism and the systems they played in during college. Prescott is a perfect example of how a system can make or break you. He rolled into a great system with great resources -- with Tony Romo, Scott Linehan and Jason Garrett all in the QB room -- and he was able to learn and apply his knowledge to the field extremely quick. Like Prescott, I think Watson has the ability to succeed early, but he must have a perfect fit.

Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech

I'm most interested in Mahomes. He has the most arm talent of anybody in this draft class, but his success is going to depend a lot on where he ends up. Mahomes was never under center in college. A pro-style offense is a completely different animal. He has the pocket presence, and I could watch him throw all day, but he's just never been asked to do the things he'll have to do at the next level. Do I think he can pick it up? Yes. How long will it take for him to execute it? That I'm not sure.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame

Going into the combine, I really liked what I saw on film from Kizer. He can get through progressions and stays poised in the pocket for a mobile QB. However, the coaches and coordinators I've talked to say Kizer is too robotic and programmed on the board. It's like he memorized the answers for a test, but does he truly understand the information? At times, he can move and play this way, too. I feel like everything is a little forced with Kizer and I don't see the fluidity with him like I do with the three guys listed above him here.

SLEEPER PROSPECTS

There are elements of the spread offense everywhere in college football, but four particular guys -- Miami's Brad Kaaya, Iowa's C.J. Beathard, Texas A&M's Trevor Knight and Baylor's Seth Russell -- flashed some pro-style skills that could translate at the next level. I haven't seen enough from these guys and don't think they could take the reins on Day 1. But I wouldn't be shocked if one of them were to go into camp, impress and come out a starter.

Take the top two quarterbacks from last year's draft class. Carson Wentz had a ton of experience running pro-style offense at North Dakota State, and he came into Philadelphia and played pretty well as a result. Jared Goff didn't have experience with pro-style schemes prior to joining the Rams. Consequently, it took him a while to get on the field and he didn't play great in his rookie season.

The four signal callers listed in this section have the knowledge and experience to run a pro-style offense, but they don't measure up ability-wise to the top prospects.

Lol, David Carr was a terrible QB & he is also now a terrible QB evaluator.

 

[BearClaw55]

I have always respected your opinion Windy but you are asking alot to expect Watson to make that kind of jump.

Watson is not showing alot of PRO qualities. Progression issues, lack of pro arm strength, lack of pinpoint accuracy.

He is a great kid. But as more analysis comes in, his skill set looks closer to Vince young or Johnny Manziel.

The NFL chews up one-read chuck it or tuck it QBs every season. All of those kids looked electric in college as well.

This comment didn’t age well. Lol

 

[hyatt151]

This comment didn’t age well. Lol

right up there with the Kizer shit

 

[Tillman33]

I was about to tweak out until I saw the date of the post was 4 years ago. Trubisky can read cover 2 defenses?? Day 1 starter?? Rofl!!!!