DE Willie Young signs with Bears 3 years 9 million

[xer0h0ur]

Are you standing up for Xero? Ur doing it wrong lol

My back-tits say otherwise

 

[SERE Bear]

My back-tits say otherwise

They are smart!

 

[Novak]

Perhaps you don't know what anyone-the-fuck thinks about other than your own voices. In your teenage brain, maybe you think it matters, and there is such a thing as a popularity factor on an internet MB.

 

[xer0h0ur]

[video=youtube;G8-QkQpIj-8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8-QkQpIj-8#t=29[/video]

 

[L GUAPO]

You're so stupid you can't even tell when I am talking about someone else, then after being proven a dumbass you double up on it by touting yourself as being superior as if I had mentioned anything of the sort to begin with? I bet you don't have very many friends if any at all. Unless you like to surround yourself with more one-uppers and self-absorbed holier-than-thou pricks like yourself.

Guapo how the fuck have you managed to withstand years of back and forth with this piece of work is beyond me. I was just reminded why he was on ignore in the first place.

Racer is pretty far off on this one and very much the minority when it comes to Emery's very good tenure so far. He is just a little biased. Me and him used to get in it a lot because we have strong opinions, but I make sure I back it up with supporting stats/facts before I just blast someone. I don't know how he can say our back 7 is dead last with all the facts/stats saying otherwise? Racer has gotten better over the years, I just don't know why he is so hard up for you and Emery because Emery Rocks! And so do you!

 

[Novak]

[video=youtube;G8-QkQpIj-8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8-QkQpIj-8#t=29[/video]

So damn baller.

 

[KingDarude7]

Lmfao

 

[RacerX]

Racer is pretty far off on this one and very much the minority when it comes to Emery's very good tenure so far. He is just a little biased. Me and him used to get in it a lot because we have strong opinions, but I make sure I back it up with supporting stats/facts before I just blast someone. I don't know how he can say our back 7 is dead last with all the facts/stats saying otherwise? Racer has gotten better over the years, I just don't know why he is so hard up for you and Emery because Emery Rocks! And so do you!

Answers:

As for xero, I have no interest in this person other than responding to another one of his unsolicited personal flame posts; he is hardly a victim here, more like the instigator. No hard-ons.

Regarding Emery, again, for the 10th time, I am pro-Emery. Why do you not understand that? All I've pointed out is that no GM, including him, is going to get unconditional love and homage from me based on a limited body of work which has yet to translate to winning games, let alone playoffs, and far from establishing a sustainable winning platform. If he continues to draft like he did in 2014, we will compete for multiple SBs. If 2014 is an outlier and he continues to draft like he did in 2012, he will be unemployed.

As I said before and am saying again, he is a major upgrade from JA and has done some very nice things, but I am not crowning his ass until I see more. Apparently showing some restraint and deliberation is offensive to the kool-aid brigade, fine, have at it.

I had the same debates with the homers early in the JA tenure when the same guys were all about blowing JA. Typical MB thread cycle.

 

[RacerX]

Why do I care about people's opinion's of Phil Emery? That one is simple. I would really like for him to stick around considering he is the best GM we have had in my short 30 year life. He has been attacking weaknesses up and down the roster from day one and had success at doing so ranging from okay to significant depending on position. He was put in the extremely unenviable position of having to turnover a giant chunk of the roster and at least in my opinion he has gone through this process about as well as I could have hoped. Were already damn near in a position where he can go strictly BPA in the coming drafts. I would also expect that he slows down on big time free agent signings but more so than anything else I want to see him be able to draft players Trestman and company can use to replace our free agent signings which are in essence stop-gaps. If he can't do that and he is forced to dip into free agency to replace former free agents then my opinion of him will probably take a hit.

I don't believe were going to see eye to eye about who is responsible or shoulders the blame on assistant coaching hires and there is no point in restating how I see it. Sure I agree that Phil shoulders some of the blame on special teams since he is responsible for providing the talent. Defense is a different story since its near impossible to know how well or how bad the defense could have been last season without the injuries and the same can be said about this year. At the very minimum you can at least point to the fact his young bucks that he drafted or picked up in FA are beginning to shine when given the opportunity. Its promising to say the least that perhaps he isn't as inept at picking defensive talent as people have made him out to be.

That is a fair and balanced reply, thanks. I do disagree slightly in two respects, though.

First, while Phil should certainly get credit for positive upgrades in personnel, I can't understand why so many credit him for "attacking weaknesses", I mean, any half-baked fan on this MB understood what the team's weaknesses were and accordingly, where the draft and FA resources should be allocated. Every GM - other then JA and Matt Millen - follow that obvious track. It's one of the most basic requirements of his position, he should only get credit for doing it well, not credit for trying, right?

Secondarily, I disagree that he was put into any type of unenviable position, in fact, he stepped in to an awesome opportunity. He follows JA, which is like Theo following Jim Hendry.....when you succeed an inept 'tard, the bar is set so low that it's easy to shine by way of comparison. Moreover, having a depleted roster reduces the short-term expectations of the fan-base and ownership, thereby buying more time and offering less pressure for the newcomer to achieve instant or early success.

 

[L GUAPO]

Answers:

As for xero, I have no interest in this person other than responding to another one of his unsolicited personal flame posts; he is hardly a victim here, more like the instigator. No hard-ons.

Regarding Emery, again, for the 10th time, I am pro-Emery. Why do you not understand that? All I've pointed out is that no GM, including him, is going to get unconditional love and homage from me based on a limited body of work which has yet to translate to winning games, let alone playoffs, and far from establishing a sustainable winning platform. If he continues to draft like he did in 2014, we will compete for multiple SBs. If 2014 is an outlier and he continues to draft like he did in 2012, he will be unemployed.

As I said before and am saying again, he is a major upgrade from JA and has done some very nice things, but I am not crowning his ass until I see more. Apparently showing some restraint and deliberation is offensive to the kool-aid brigade, fine, have at it.

I had the same debates with the homers early in the JA tenure when the same guys were all about blowing JA. Typical MB thread cycle.

Fair enough. The only GM that is above the law is Seattle's GM...all I have to say is just DAMN! How many 4th & 5th round pro bowlers has this guy drafted...and Wilson in the 3rd..just wow!

 

[RacerX]

Fair enough. The only GM that is above the law is Seattle's GM...all I have to say is just DAMN! How many 4th & 5th round pro bowlers has this guy drafted...and Wilson in the 3rd..just wow!

Agreed, I have much envy looking at the Chickenhawk Front Office, those boys are clicking!

 

[SERE Bear]

Racer X when people say Phil Emery attacks weaknesses they are specifically talking about how he does it differently than many GMs, and specifically different than Jerry Angelo did.

Phil Drafted multiple OL, signed multiple free agents and brought in multiple undrafted rookie's last year for the OL. He did the same thing again this year for the defense line.

Basically he attacks a problem with overwhelming force instead of hoping that he picked one right rookie or one right free-agent to fill the gap.


The results in both cases have been a significant upgrade obviously. You may think that all GM's do this, Some do, some don't. Many of us Emery fans are happy that he attacks problems the way he does.

 

[RacerX]

Racer X when people say Phil Emery attacks weaknesses they are specifically talking about how he does it differently than many GMs, and specifically different than Jerry Angelo did.

Phil Drafted multiple OL, signed multiple free agents and brought in multiple undrafted rookie's last year for the OL. He did the same thing again this year for the defense line.

Basically he attacks a problem with overwhelming force instead of hoping that he picked one right rookie or one right free-agent to fill the gap.


The results in both cases have been a significant upgrade obviously. You may think that all GM's do this, Some do, some don't. Many of us Emery fans are happy that he attacks problems the way he does.

Thanks, Sere, understood. Couple comments - first, while you gained that understanding and appreciation, I'm not sure the hordes see his approach same way as you do. Secondarily, I'm not sure that approach is sensible, I mean he may have over-allocated our precious few resources and perhaps should have taken a balanced approach (i.e., applied more resources to our back-7 on D). Who the fuck knows? Not me, not you, not my homey Guapo, not xero, but hopefully Phil.

Anyway, we are in a soft rebuild, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, and I think there are several different tactics which Phil could have utilized. We can all agree that we support him and hope he succeeds, but I don't care which approach he takes, just want an infusion of talent and some wins, right?

 

[JPPT1974]

Hope that Emery does succeed. It is not going to happen overnight. Just needs chemistry and talent. Along with time.

 

[SERE Bear]

Racer I think that the lines are perfect for the shotgun approach. OL/DL are Just too damn important... Just look at the Cowboys recent success due to a revamped OL.


Phil ain't perfect and his first draft was not good enough with only Alshon working out. Shea was a bad pick and if he works out at LB then so be it but by Year three your 1st rounder should be a solid contributor not a question mark. Was it just too soon after being hired? Were his guys or scouting system just not in place? Was he trying to give Lovie what he wanted? Did Phil just screw the pooch? Maybe some of all that but at the end of the day it's still on Phil.

2013 was a better focused draft effort and we could all see the plan, as was 2014. He brought in vets but young talent is now evident on both sides of the ball now and we even have depth at some positions. Shocking.

Personally I think Phil is doing a good job rebuilding, yes rebuilding, this roster on the fly.

 

[Papa Wheelie]

1. why?
2. not seeing the correlation between the day Trest hired Tucker and how that absolves the GM of that responsibility. Think CEO of a corporation - when a functional VP-level employee is a fuck up, who is to blame? Well, that VP that fucked up is primarily to blame, but a President level guy (HC) is the one that hired him so he's ultimately responsible. And his boss, the CEO (GM) is accountable. Same way Phil gets credit for our kick-ass offense, he eats shit for our D and ST. He gets all the good, and he gets all the bad, no cherry-picking, is that a reasonable position?

You've definitely snorted too much Mach 5 dust dude. :nope: