DeAndre Hopkins will be a Bear in 2023

[westcoast bear fanatic]

Hard pass on this has been.

 

[Midway Fields]

Hard pass on this has been.

He is still performing at a high level. Disagree.

 

[Midway Fields]

You wouldn't think that if you looked at his contract.

Or if you thought they might want a good WR for that rookie to throw to.

Then they don’t get the opportunity to trade up for a QB with the Bears. Poles holds the leverage as long as they don’t win another game.

Please enlighten me on Moore’s contract.

 

[Speed]

Isn't the WR position kinda becoming synonymous with the same problem the RB position has?

IE; The GREAT one's are worth breaking the bank for, but that might only be a handful of guys in the grand scheme of things. You're able to find a steady stream of cheaper, younger guys that can produce through the draft. Obviously easier said than done because you still need to hit on that player, but there's always a few. I got a feeling that's how Poles might see it too for now. At least until the Bears are in a position where guys are restructuring their deals to play here.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Calling my shot.

Friction with Kyler Murray who likely will not be healthy to begin next year.

$30 mil cap hit next year.

Cardinals traded a 1st for a younger Marquise Brown and paid him.

1) Hopkins 2) Claypool 3) Mooney ? ?

Or (lol) Poles ? will find a way to reunite Fields with Jaxon Smith-Njigba.

2023 the Bears take the North and never give it back. Ya heard me.

Take JSN, younger, can't be guarded, great route runner, great hands, played with JF, had 15 catches, 345 yards and 3 TD's in Rose bowl.
Hopkins is older, injured a lot PED suspension, give me youth on lower contract.

 

[Canth]

Isn't the WR position kinda becoming synonymous with the same problem the RB position has?

IE; The GREAT one's are worth breaking the bank for, but that might only be a handful of guys in the grand scheme of things. You're able to find a steady stream of cheaper, younger guys that can produce through the draft. Obviously easier said than done because you still need to hit on that player, but there's always a few. I got a feeling that's how Poles might see it too for now. At least until the Bears are in a position where guys are restructuring their deals to play here.

Hell, that's true of every position, imo. Including QB. Honestly, due to the stupidly large contracts that any starting QB gets now regardless of their results, their contracts are the worst ones that can sink a franchise - thinking especially of Kyler Murray here. The guranteed money of Deshaun Watson's contract will likely also hamper that franchise and I think most people see that a declining Aaron Rodgers is going to cripple the Packers with his contract as well.

Going back to one of his first press conferences, I think that Poles understands that and is probably why he was hesitant this past year to hand out any big contract. Paraphrasing him, he wants to be careful to pay the guys that will want to continue to be great after they get paid. It's a hard balance to find.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I don’t follow college football very closely. Is there not a single potential #1 WR entering the draft next year?

Maybe 5 but that's a stretch, the kid from TCU, JSN, Addison, Rice, 1 more I can't recall.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Sign JuJu

Draft a WR or two. Doesn’t have to be round 1. Good WR’s can be found throughout the draft.

Don’t like JuJu? Costs too much?

Sign Meyers, Slayton, Lazard, Brown, or Campbell. (All 27 or under. All currently have more yards than any Bears WR)

Whatever you do…. DON’T spend high draft picks on players that are on the wrong side of 30. This Hopkins shit is dumb as fuk in my humble opinion. It would be paying for past production and not future production. I mean if they take a 5th… sure. But obviously it’ll take more and he would probably head to a contender.

IF someone young like a Higgins becomes available then for the right price consider it. I don’t think this will actually happen but sure… consider it if it does.

Also draft a move TE.

Anyways, the draft is still the best way to find WR talent. Take a few swings there.

Use free agency to build the lines.

Of the 3 names on line 3 above I would only go for Campbell, you didn't mention Pittman from Indy but he would be nice.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Of the 3 names on line 3 above I would only go for Campbell, you didn't mention Pittman from Indy but he would be nice.

He’s one of Indy’s best players, not a free agent, and they have the money to keep him. Why would they possibly get rid of him? This is my problem with this stuff and all the BS on twitter and talk radio…. Its LaLa Land fantasy shit.

 

[Midway Fields]

Take JSN, younger, can't be guarded, great route runner, great hands, played with JF, had 15 catches, 345 yards and 3 TD's in Rose bowl.
Hopkins is older, injured a lot PED suspension, give me youth on lower contract.

I’m all in. How do you get him though. Value isn’t there with a top 5 pick.

 

[vabearsfan15]

I dont mind the idea of paying an aging receiver over 30, especially since we could use a truly talented veteran presence in the WR room. But having already given up a 2nd for Claypool, I'm hesitant to give up anything more than a 3rd this year. Maybe add another 3rd or later pick in 2024 draft.

But this year we need our 1st and 2nd. And I'd only want to make the above trade knowing we were able to successfully trade back in the 1st. So, I'm for acquiring Hopkins, but only at a good trade value. With that said I don't think Arizona parts with him for anything less than a 2nd and will want more.

 

[shoez90]

If our line was better and gave more time Mooney Claypool Harris Kmet Velus and a rookie should be fine. Look what we have been doing so far we are a touchdown or FG away from being in this year's playoffs. That's what this year's draft should be focused on OL, DL.

 

[dentfan]

Maybe 5 but that's a stretch, the kid from TCU, JSN, Addison, Rice, 1 more I can't recall.

I don’t follow college football very closely. Is there not a single potential #1 WR entering the draft next year?

There is. But the media said it’s a “down year” so people are overreacting

There’s always potential that a kid could be a #1. The issue is that it’s the draft, so it’s always a crapshoot.

The kid from TCU is a big body. The one from USC is very small and had a lot of contrived routes sent his way. He isn’t the slot people think he is. JSN had the injuries and the year was basically a wash. Now, you’re in the 2nd and 3rd round WRs and the probability goes down.

This is the year of the slot WR. There are a lot of good slot style WRs in this draft. It’s a good thing that’s the one we need. These dudes here can be had after the 2nd, maybe even 3rd and look very good.

Rakim Jarrett is a fast and slippery separator
Charlie Jones has very good hands and gets open
Andrei Iosivas is a big dude who was a track star with soft hands

So, I don’t think that, as of now, there is a consensus #1 WR in the draft. After the bowls and the all star games, maybe it’ll change. The draft is always a crapshoot, but even more so this year.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I dont mind the idea of paying an aging receiver over 30, especially since we could use a truly talented veteran presence in the WR room. But having already given up a 2nd for Claypool, I'm hesitant to give up anything more than a 3rd this year. Maybe add another 3rd or later pick in 2024 draft.

But this year we need our 1st and 2nd. And I'd only want to make the above trade knowing we were able to successfully trade back in the 1st. So, I'm for acquiring Hopkins, but only at a good trade value. With that said I don't think Arizona parts with him for anything less than a 2nd and will want more.

Agreed.

The second was just way too high for Claypool.(a second for a player who needs paid should land a superstar, like Hopkins, Higgins, or Waddle and even then it’s a bad long term move only an immediate contender should make)

I wonder how Burress would play in this league. Jeffery seems to have disappeared.

We seem hell bent on finding a throw it up 50:50 specialist but that doesn’t seem to work in this NFL, certainly not unless you can set the stage with a dominant yac TE underneath and a power running game.

The best favor they can do for Fields is sign Montgomery and keep a two headed monster, move Velus Jr. to scat back, and add a 4th power back or FB hybrid for late season weather.

A FB is a luxury item in your toolbox and I wonder how many roster slots are needed before everyone in league has one? I suspect 56 or 57 and they would return.

I’m for building that type of football team unless Arlington will be a dome.

We do too many stupid things within the minutiae to believe we can win at both the managerial and gameplay level.

I don’t see a smartest guy in the room presence at Halas and honestly I never had. Trestman and Emery in my humble opinion were what I would call stupid nerds.

Stupid nerds tend to believe their own bullshit. They lack perspective or some other essential piece of intelligence to succeed beyond their microbit roles where they excelled.

They are exceptionally poor at self scouting because they believe in their own shit until the pipes get clogged up in the entire complex.

There are basic moves this franchise could do every game, and every off-season to enhance our competitiveness but the fact they don’t even do the obvious analytical things on the field or even once try to exploit the compensatory draft…

Like things really are hopeless until you bring in a smartest guy in the room and change some fundamental ways we go about surviving the NFL.

It’s not that we can’t teach as well as Bellicek, it’s that we don’t even attempt to fathom the little things his team is doing to gain a yard here, a yard there, an easier red zone trip this way, a shot your QB doesn’t take because you know when to foul situationally.

I bet the Patriots have a secret text that tells you when and how to foul.

We watched our nearest competitor create a systematic way to hold defensive ends and we never tried to do it. We lost 18 of 21 and blamed QB play when it was the holding style. Other teams around the league picked up on it and so many did it they finally changed the rules.

But not the Bears.

We are willfully ignorant and our ownership is chemically adverse to an actual intellectual juggernaut. They can’t hire one because they scared of a certain type of change and think this city wants Mike Ditka forever.

 

[DrGonzo]

There’s always potential that a kid could be a #1. The issue is that it’s the draft, so it’s always a crapshoot.

The kid from TCU is a big body. The one from USC is very small and had a lot of contrived routes sent his way. He isn’t the slot people think he is. JSN had the injuries and the year was basically a wash. Now, you’re in the 2nd and 3rd round WRs and the probability goes down.

This is the year of the slot WR. There are a lot of good slot style WRs in this draft. It’s a good thing that’s the one we need. These dudes here can be had after the 2nd, maybe even 3rd and look very good.

Rakim Jarrett is a fast and slippery separator
Charlie Jones has very good hands and gets open
Andrei Iosivas is a big dude who was a track star with soft hands

So, I don’t think that, as of now, there is a consensus #1 WR in the draft. After the bowls and the all star games, maybe it’ll change. The draft is always a crapshoot, but even more so this year.

Don't sleep on Zay Flowers. Every defenses game plan next year will be to contain Fields and take away his running lanes so they need a possession type receiver. But this kid can also stretch the field and has big yac capability. He is undersized and could still be there in the third if Poles is lucky.

 

[dentfan]

Don't sleep on Zay Flowers. Every defenses game plan next year will be to contain Fields and take away his running lanes so they need a possession type receiver. But this kid can also stretch the field and has big yac capability. He is undersized and could still be there in the third if Poles is lucky.

You’re right.

This is what I’ve been saying a while now. I like Zay Flowers, but, with all the talent at DL in the draft, I’d rather draft there in the 2nd. I don’t know if Flowers falls to the 3rd. If he does, yes please.

Optimally, we pick up an extra second and draft two of Zach Harrison, Jared Verse (who I think goes in the top 5 but is currently being mocked in the 2nd), and Calijah Kancey.