Del Negro explains his burning of timeouts

[Jamfan]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-22-bulls-bits-chicago-apr22,0,2907953.story

"People are going to second-guess and first-guess," Del Negro said. "So what? I don't care. I'm the coach. I will make the decisions. That's the way it is.

"In two or three seconds, the ball is going to go to Derrick [Rose] because he's our fastest guy to get it up the court. We set up a play in the Celtics' timeout [with 12.3 seconds left]. We didn't execute it because the Celtics did a good job with their execution."

"I would've liked to have one at the end," Del Negro said. "But sometimes you have to use them to stay in the game. When they're making runs or when we get the ball with 20 seconds left and we're down two, I want to make sure we get a good shot—especially with a young team."

So no regrets?

"Not at all," Del Negro said. "Not for a second."

"Yeah, it was tough to watch," Gordon said. "We definitely wish we would have reserved one of those timeouts."

 

[Newskoolbulls]

wow Vinny. Really no regrets? Even Jim Boylan would have a better explanation.

 

[Manic Devourer]

Of course Vinny regrets it, by admitting that he wish he had one in reserve basically shows that he regrets it to a degree.

With that being said, you can't regret it or admit that you made a mistake to the media, knowing that your players are going to either hear it or read it. It's better to suck it up, and just admit that it didn't work then second guessing yourself, because then the players second guess the coach during the game.

Best remedy, win the next game and all will be forgotten.

 

[Dpauley23]

I guess the 3 guys who voted for Del Negro as COY never caught his poorly game management

 

[Ralphb07]

Manic Devourer wrote:

Of course Vinny regrets it, by admitting that he wish he had one in reserve basically shows that he regrets it to a degree.

With that being said, you can't regret it or admit that you made a mistake to the media, knowing that your players are going to either hear it or read it. It's better to suck it up, and just admit that it didn't work then second guessing yourself, because then the players second guess the coach during the game.

Best remedy, win the next game and all will be forgotten.

Exactly he can't come out and said he regrets it but I bet you anything it will be in his head Game 3 and IMO won't make the same mistake.

 

[Wade Wilson]

Vinny comes off as kinda obstinate or insecure in responding to criticism. In a situation like this, where clearly not saving a timeout hurt the team, I think it is better to be the stand up guy and admit you could've handled things better.

 

[dougthonus]

Wade Wilson wrote:

Vinny comes off as kinda obstinate or insecure in responding to criticism. In a situation like this, where clearly not saving a timeout hurt the team, I think it is better to be the stand up guy and admit you could've handled things better.

I agree. He frequently comes off really defensive of criticism, though maybe he just believes he's never wrong.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

dougthonus wrote:

Wade Wilson wrote:

Vinny comes off as kinda obstinate or insecure in responding to criticism. In a situation like this, where clearly not saving a timeout hurt the team, I think it is better to be the stand up guy and admit you could've handled things better.

I agree. He frequently comes off really defensive of criticism, though maybe he just believes he's never wrong.

He is Italian like me, what do you expect. I am surprised he hasn't gone Tony Soprano on a reporter.

 

[Hendu0520]

I think it is correct to stick with your decision, even if he does regret it. I think it is funny how Del Negro seems like he has to make the mistake himself before knowing it is a mistake. Like when your parents tell you something would be stupid but you do it anyway and you find out the hard way. Vinny should have learned after game 1 but no he had to make the big mistake, someone was right when they said he will not make this mistake again. Maybe that's why he is so frustrating but as long as he keeps getting better I am happy with VDN. Basketball isn't like football where you have to have a great coach to win.

 

[cool007]

Well, if he does that 1 more time in Boston (I don't think the games will be close in Chicago - Chicago wins by atleast 5+ in both games) then I (everyone) will be on it to have him fired while playoffs are going.

 

[Hendu0520]

LOL, I guess if he would be that retartded or stubborn I would be right there with you.

 

[TheStig]

Vinny Del "Foot in the mouth" Negro

 

[Shakes]

Is it really a surprise that he's overconfident he was correct in his use of timeouts? The way he used the timeouts suggests a lot of confidence in his own abilities.

Calling (and hence burning) a timeout as a coach basically says "I believe the play I draw up will increase our odds of scoring/decrease the odds of the opposition scoring MORE than using it later to bring the ball up the court". To me that's a pretty huge call, no matter how good a coach you are. Maybe the thing the more experienced coaches have learnt is humility, an appreciation that their coaching doesn't have such a huge effect on the game, and hence they reserve their timeouts for when there is a measurable effect (advancement of the ball).

 

[dougthonus]

someone was right when they said he will not make this mistake again.

I don't know about that.

He made this mistake many times in the regular season, and it cost us wins then. Why expect him not to make it again just because it's the playoffs. I think he genuinely believes that him calling a timeout on an "important" possession will give the team a better look (it hasn't really worked that way historically) and that having timeouts at the end of games is overrated.

Maybe the magnitude of this loss and the media scrutiny behind it is enough to have him open his eyes, but I'm not sure about it.

 

[dougthonus]

Calling (and hence burning) a timeout as a coach basically says "I believe the play I draw up will increase our odds of scoring/decrease the odds of the opposition scoring MORE than using it later to bring the ball up the court". To me that's a pretty huge call, no matter how good a coach you are. Maybe the thing the more experienced coaches have learnt is humility, an appreciation that their coaching doesn't have such a huge effect on the game, and hence they reserve their timeouts for when there is a measurable effect (advancement of the ball).

We ran a Gordon iso after all three timeouts in the final two minutes:

Vinny to team: "Okay everyone, we're going to give the ball to Gordon. Ben, go score. Okay, go get em!".

Vinny to self as team leaves: "Thank God, I called that timeout, they'd have never tried that by themselves".

 

[Shakes]

Well yes, to be clear I don't agree with Vinny, I think no matter what, using a timeout to advance the ball is more valuable than the difference between whatever play the players would run by themselves vs whatever you tell them to do.

I wonder if anyone has done any work to look at the stats of how teams score in the possession after a timeout vs their normal efficiency. I can't believe it would be much different, after all the defense also gets a timeout to plan what they're going to do.

 

[DASMACKDOWN]

In my opinion, only good can come from this. Now that he has been called out for it, it will be in the back of his mind going forward regardless of what he says.

I think the point was made and the message got through.

 

[dougthonus]

Shakes wrote:

Well yes, to be clear I don't agree with Vinny, I think no matter what, using a timeout to advance the ball is more valuable than the difference between whatever play the players would run by themselves vs whatever you tell them to do.

I wonder if anyone has done any work to look at the stats of how teams score in the possession after a timeout vs their normal efficiency. I can't believe it would be much different, after all the defense also gets a timeout to plan what they're going to do.

I knew what you meant and was just injecting some humor to add to your point.

I wonder the same thing about the play calling. I think what would be more interesting is to look at game momentum and see if calling a timeout actually changes it significantly as well.

To go beyond your point though, I don't think it would even matter what typical TO efficiency is because:

VDN's efficiency has to be far worse than normal coaches based on my memory, and whatever play he drew up failed unless he drew up a Gordon ISO. If he drew up a Gordon ISO there's no reason to call a TO to do it. You could just yell "Gordon ISO left wing" from the sideline. It's not like an ISO play has a surprise factor to it.

 

[Ralphb07]

I don't know what everyone feels about Hubie Brown but I think he's one of the most knowledgeable basketball minds out there

He was on Mike&Mike today and they asked him about Vinny and the timeouts and played a clip of Vinny saying he had no regrets.

Hubie said when he's at a coaching clinic that the first thing they tell them is you can't take your timeouts with you. He went on to say the Bulls only won 12-13 road games and being a young team at a hostile place that Vinny did the right thing. He went more into it so you might wanna listen to it later. I was driving so didn't get word for word.

He said that you have to take timeouts quicker on the road than you do at home. Keep in mind he said since the Bulls are a young team. I don't think he was talking about a veteran team just about handling a young team

I would definitely listen to it when they put it up

 

[dougthonus]

DASMACKDOWN wrote:

In my opinion, only good can come from this. Now that he has been called out for it, it will be in the back of his mind going forward regardless of what he says.

I think the point was made and the message got through.

You're probably right, though it's a shame it took epic failure in the playoffs to get the point across when we had plenty of times where it was an issue in the regular season that should have taught the same lesson.