Desperate pick from a desperate GM..

[alswank87]

DJ Moore is big?

He’s no Brandon Marshall, but he’s the smallest guy of the bunch. I thought he was 6-1, but I guess he’s 5-11 after looking it up.

 

[gallagher]

How’d that work?

It's the correct move. You have to cater your selections to what the coach wants to put onto the field, or you swiftly get into square-peg, round-hole territory.

 

[RiDLer80]

How’d that work?

Ok. If he's bad at his job then say that, but his pick wasn't desperate and I don't think Poles is desperate either.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Ok. If he's bad at his job then say that, but his pick wasn't desperate and I don't think Poles is desperate either.

You don’t have to be desperate working for a disorganized middling franchise like this one

 

[RiDLer80]

Eberflus told flus he doesn’t need an ol or dl?

That's not what the OP was about. The OP called the Loveland pick desperate, which it wasn't.

I think we should've addressed the lines earlier in Pole's tenure too, but nothing about his pick was desperate. It was a GM giving a coach what he wanted.

 

[RiDLer80]

You don’t have to be desperate working for a disorganized middling franchise like this one

WTF are we talking about now?

 

[pseudonym]

Warren should have fired Poles last year and now we have a 15-36 GM trying to get above .500 next season to save his job . It will be 4 drafts for Poles with no pass rushers selected at premium spots.

And yesterday we took another non-premium position in an early draft slot. Brock Bowers was a much better prospect than anyone in this years class and even he didn't go until #13.

Yes Loveland helps the coach and scheme, but he is a complete low ceiling player with below average athleticism score for a top 10 pick. How many targets is he really going to get with Moore and Odunze out there, two other guys we paid alot to acquire?

Horrible take. Let Ben cook. You'll see. Some had Loveland as the top player in the draft. Many had him over Warren. He fits this scheme. Kmet will be the TE2, more blocking, he has never done much, but will have a role. I love the pick.

 

[bufordht]

Take a TE is a desperation move? That's a weird take. Trading up to get a RB would be a desperation move. Staying put and taking a player that fits the O? That's nothing like desperation. It might be the wrong move, but it wasn't done out of desperation.

 

[Nelly]

For those who wanted Warren, can you answer why it took him until his 5th year in college to break out? Coaching change? Scheme change? QB change?

Ignoring his red-shirt freshman year because he barely played, Warren's stats are as follows:

First 3 years: 49 catches, 606 yards, 11 TDs
Last year: 104 catches, 1233 yards, 8 TDs

He's a month away from turning 23. Loveland just turned 21.

 

[Nelly]

Take a TE is a desperation move? That's a weird take. Trading up to get a RB would be a desperation move. Staying put and taking a player that fits the O? That's nothing like desperation. It might be the wrong move, but it wasn't done out of desperation.

It's just the result of there being hardly any QBs taken high and a bunch of similarly rated talent outside the top 7 or so and the Bears sticking to their board accordingly.

 

[--CyBear--]

OP is a sort of hollow criticism without an indication of what the correct move would have been. Also seems to counter this earlier opinion.

I don't care what position that we draft... but its time we add an IMPACT player somewhere.

Poles has had a ton of premium picks and this team doesn't have premium talent. I am not saying Poles didn't add anything.. just not enough for all the draft capital he had.

If Caleb has a great year all will be forgiven, but if he is still a question mark at the end of the season critics are going to look very hard at this selection. I think Jeanty will be gone and just adding an average tackle isn't going to cut it.

 

[modo]

Warren should have fired Poles last year and now we have a 15-36 GM trying to get above .500 next season to save his job . It will be 4 drafts for Poles with no pass rushers selected at premium spots.

And yesterday we took another non-premium position in an early draft slot. Brock Bowers was a much better prospect than anyone in this years class and even he didn't go until #13.

Yes Loveland helps the coach and scheme, but he is a complete low ceiling player with below average athleticism score for a top 10 pick. How many targets is he really going to get with Moore and Odunze out there, two other guys we paid alot to acquire?

There is a lot to unpack here

 

[nc0gnet0]

We didn't pay to acquire Moore either. The Panthers paid us for 1OA.

The OP also gets other items either incorrect, or they aren't completely thought through. For one, Brock Bowers had 5 QBs go in front of him. Shouldn't a weaker QB draft class then push the other talents up the list? On another item for the same point, last year's draft included a wealth of top WR talents, and this year's draft did not. So a talented receiving weapon of a TE will also naturally rise up the board this year as opposed to last year.

For a second point, I think that crediting only first round picks as premium picks is fishy. Why are 39 and 41 in this year's draft not premium picks? Was drafting Dexter with a second rounder, or trading a second rounder for Sweat, not using premium assets to acquire pass rushers? I'm on the other side of that argument.

Finally, look, crediting a dumpster fire year where the team was objectively cutting dead weight and tanking to the GM is tiresome. Even so, the math doesn't match. You can't go from 15-36 to above .500 in a single year. This is just loaded with assumptions I cannot get behind.

No, but the Lions did it in 2 years, this will be Poles 4th year. If you aren't at least two games above .500 this year (10 wins minimum), he should be shown the door.

 

[modo]

Eberflus told flus he doesn’t need an ol or dl?

They drafted 11 linemen the three years Eberflus was here.

 

[jsu34]

I'm fine with whatever Ben Johnson says he needs and Poles picks that for him. This is his LaPorta-like player according to what the reports are saying.

Bears have 6 picks left.

I won't judge anything until the finish product is on the field and we have some idea of what it looks like.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

They drafted 11 linemen the three years Eberflus was here.

God tier gm shit right there

 

[modo]

God tier gm shit right there

tbh most of them sucked but he found 2.5 starters

 

[--CyBear--]

No, but the Lions did it in 2 years, this will be Poles 4th year. If you aren't at least two games above .500 this year (10 wins minimum), he should be shown the door.

Your HC has been there for 4 years. Same for BJ, 3 as OC.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Your HC has been there for 4 years. Same for BJ, 3 as OC.

yeah and?
The fact is, they were above .500 in year two.
I know reading is hard, but come on man!!

 

[doctorbear]

Previous years drafts don't affect this one. Hot take - you can only pick at the position you have the draft pick. They were at 10, looked at the board, and took their guy. Doesn't really matter if it was at 10 or 15. Now if he was projected to be second rounder that's a different story...

Honestly after Banks went off the board I didn't really care what direction they went. Didn't prefer a TE but it's fine, but I'll reserve my overall judgement after I see how the 2nd round goes. I want to see the top 3 picks together and make a judgement rather than freak out over the 1 pick that the head coach obviously really wanted.

It's also nice to trust your HC for a change. If it doesn't work out with Ben Johnson I don't know if I'll ever have hope for this damn team.