Dexter Dilemma

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Yea, I’m not saying Walter Footballs board… I don’t care about his or those guys.

And yes, we’ll never know. All we’ll know is if they were right or wrong in 5 years time. Guard is not some easy position to get right. Lots of mediocre players have been selected in the first too. Guards are not game changers, so don’t miss if you’re taking one at 10. I can stomach a miss at a game changing position, but whiffing on a guard, who you probably reached for, would be quite a fail with all the holes we have.

So why does everyone want to spend 20 mil a year for one?

 

[DanielCCSBears]

There’s no point in drafting a RB without an OL. The guy everyone wants to replace at RB went to the probowl with a good OL. This fan base every year cunts all year long about the OL in season and then immediately deletes those thoughts in the offseason

After seeing how horrible this offensive line was this year in the first two games all I want is for them is to draft offensive line with the first three picks and add one in free agency.

The board was previously convinced at how great the defensive line was some even told me it was the best defensive line in the league. So stand on the defensive line being great and fix the offensive line. Or they should fire Ryan Poles ASAP hopefully after 2025 but that will be a year too late.

 

[greg23]

3. 4 with the guy you're dismissing way too early. 2 DL drafted, 3 acquired with Mack. I could use Pickens as a dismissal from those #s like you did the Yale OL 3rd round pick. He's been mostly healthy for 2 years, not dinged for most of one.

So that's 2 DL and 3 OL by your standards.

Umm

This GM has drafted two

Wright r1
Kirin r3 (small school and injured)

In the previous 3 years the Bears have drafted 1

Jenkins r2 (another guy with predraft injury concerns)

This gm has also drafted 2 punters in 3 drafts......building thru the draft!

 

[dabears70]

Yea, I’m not saying Walter Footballs board… I don’t care about his or those guys.

And yes, we’ll never know. All we’ll know is if they were right or wrong in 5 years time. Guard is not some easy position to get right. Lots of mediocre players have been selected in the first too. Guards are not game changers, so don’t miss if you’re taking one at 10. I can stomach a miss at a game changing position, but whiffing on a guard, who you probably reached for, would be quite a fail with all the holes we have.

It's not just Walter Football board, it's every board you or any of us have looked at.

Guards have an assignment they have to accomplish on every play just like a T or whatever other position and if they don't take care of their assignment then it could be a 300+ pounder sacking and landing on top of your QB instead of a 250+ pounder. I can't stomach a swing and miss in the 1st round no matter what position they play. If Trey Smith was in this draft i'd draft him at #10 and many other guards as well.

Lets just hope whoever they draft ends up a swing and a huge hit cause we need great players on this team. We have plenty of good and really good players.

 

[dabears70]

Those are all tackles at the moment. We’ll see what they really end up as. That said, Skoronski was the same story and has been meh.

Has Skoronski been meh? I thought he's been pretty damn good.

 

[dabears70]

So why does everyone want to spend 20 mil a year for one?

 

[dabears70]

After seeing how horrible this offensive line was this year in the first two games all I want is for them is to draft offensive line with the first three picks and add one in free agency.

The board was previously convinced at how great the defensive line was some even told me it was the best defensive line in the league. So stand on the defensive line being great and fix the offensive line. Or they should fire Ryan Poles ASAP hopefully after 2025 but that will be a year too late.

Where do you come up with this shit? I mean seriously you really are delusional.

 

[Xplosive]

So why does everyone want to spend 20 mil a year for one?

 

[DefNextYear]

So why does everyone want to spend 20 mil a year for one?

So why don't good teams take them in the first? Much less top 10. Why aren't high pick guards carrying their teams on deep runs? One playoff team has one drafted in the top 15. He was riding the bench. Good teams take impact players elsewhere and fill in guards. They'll pay a proven one, but they won't use premium picks on them.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

@RacerX you're a Huskie?

That's literally the only thing I've taken from this thread.

Oh, also that Dexter is an awful television show.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Where do you come up with this shit? I mean seriously you really are delusional.

Lol there were quite a few folks I argued with on this board during the preseason. The Bears had the best secondary was roundly the consensus and most argued with me that they were a Top-5 defensive line or better.

The board lost its collective shit after Dexter made two plays in the first practice. From there the insanity only grew. I argued with folks for the next 8 weeks until Dexter disappeared for 13 of the last 14 weeks. Then after his little flash in the pan 4 week spurt reality came back.

From there Sweat went back to what he was in Washington and the rest is history.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

So why does everyone want to spend 20 mil a year for one?

I can answer that.

 

[dabears70]

So why don't good teams take them in the first? Much less top 10. Why aren't high pick guards carrying their teams on deep runs? One playoff team has one drafted in the top 15. He was riding the bench. Good teams take impact players elsewhere and fill in guards. They'll pay a proven one, but they won't use premium picks on them.

Good teams don't draft in the top 10....................because they're good....................meaning they draft in the bottom 10.................because they're good.

Just messin with ya.

 

[DefNextYear]

Has Skoronski been meh? I thought he's been pretty damn good.

He improved later in the year, but still ranked outside the top 40 or so guards and is on one of the absolute worst OL units in the league. Maybe he’s lucky to have one of the best OL coaches in football to help him out now though.

 

[DefNextYear]

By the way, to add to the "why are teams paying guards 20 mil"... of the key positions on offense, below are how many of the top guys paid at the position were 1st round picks. Guards have the lowest representation. I threw is RB for the hell of it, though I know the thought is they don't deserve to be 1sts.

Qb 4/5
Rb 4/5
WR 3/5
OT 6/6
OG 2/5

 

[dabears70]

He improved later in the year, but still ranked outside the top 40 or so guards and is on one of the absolute worst OL units in the league. Maybe he’s lucky to have one of the best OL coaches in football to help him out now though.

Maybe he's unlucky to have bad players all around him and can't carry a 5 man OL by himself.

 

[Sculpt]

Gervon Dexter was an Eberflus pick, a Deforest Buckner type pass rushing 3-Tech. As a 6'6" 310lbs former basketball player that only did 22 reps on the combine bench press, he lacks the strength to anchor and get stops against the run.

The Bears were #28 against the run in the NFL allowing 4.8 yards per carry. Every team they faced "got off the bus running". As we all know, losing Billings to a torn pectoral muscle only magnified the problem.

So, what solutions should the Bears look for to fix the interior D-Line?
Should Dexter be moved to DE and hope he can develop into a Trey Hendrickson type?
Should the Bears find a big 330lb NT to play next to Dexter to help him play the run?

How would you fix the run defense heading into the off season??

Bears should draft a top NT, no doubt... in the 1st Rd if one is there.

Billings is excellent at everything DT, but they should reduce his snap count.

Like @HearshotKDS and @dennehy were saying, the way Dexter is going, you'd want him playing in passing situations. I wouldn't take all his run downs away, yet, as he's still learning technique and he is freaky strong.

So, your 1st Rd NT/DT and Billings are monster runstoppers and you bring in Dexter, and maybe Walker inside for passing downs.

Unfortunately, Pickens just looks like a miss at run and passrush. Depending on the final roster, he benched 22... even tho he graded a little better at pass, maybe beef him up to take some 1st-2nd down snaps and backup.

Cowart (60) and Chris Williams (61) had a better run grade than Pickens (57), & Cowart the best p-rush (60).

DE:
Darrell Taylor (70) and Jacob Martin (67) had a better p-rush grade than Booker (59) and I think Booker will improve. Obviously, Bears need another top DE, whether thru FA or draft.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

@RacerX you're a Huskie?

That's literally the only thing I've taken from this thread.

Oh, also that Dexter is an awful television show.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Has Skoronski been meh? I thought he's been pretty damn good.

He's been awful as a run blocker and decent as a pass blocker.

I honestly believe all of the hype that went into him was a product of PFF. The way the talked about him and scouted had him hyped as a generational technician of an offensive tackle. His technique was so sound he was nearly guaranteed to succeed on day one because he was already so fundamentally perfect.

And then he started to play in the NFL.

 

[RacerX]

@RacerX you're a Huskie?

That's literally the only thing I've taken from this thread.

Oh, also that Dexter is an awful television show.

Negative, I am a Golden Bear, and a season ticket holder for 32 years.