Do the Bulls miss Boozer's physicality?

[knoxville7]

Our guards stopped playing pick and rolls well

remember I suggested the bulls need to acquire another good wing defender.....

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Rose was a barely average defender before the injuries. These days he literally can't guard or stay in front of anybody. All too often, he over pursues, then slides right by his man like he's got roller skates on.


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[Axl Rose]

Gasol is guarding the rim. don't let the blocks fool you, hes a horrible defender

we got weak defenders on the wing. Butler is good, but Rose is bad, Brooks is bad, Hinrich isn't what he used to be

allot times i see a lack of effort aswell

 

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[Axl Rose]

you disliking me and saying he's done more than Boozer on defense doesn't make him a good defender, Bear06

 

[Bear06]

you disliking me and saying he's done more than Boozer on defense doesn't make him a good defender, Bear06

He's a decent defender and he actually tries. Definitely not a horrible defender like you're making him out to be.

Try not to overract after every loss. Yes, the Bulls have been playing pretty crappy lately but it's a long season and the team will improve.

 

[The Hawk]

There is one clear fact. The perimeter defense is not going to get better without something happening with the personnel. What is going on , I think is that switching Butler to shooting guard only moved the defensive problem to the small forward position. We should have known this before now. Dunleavy was not an answer defensively when he was on the court as a starter and after losing him we got even weaker at that position. Reinsdorf needs to cut the damn crap and spend some money.

 

[Sunbiz1]

There is one clear fact. The perimeter defense is not going to get better without something happening with the personnel. What is going on , I think is that switching Butler to shooting guard only moved the defensive problem to the small forward position. We should have known this before now. Dunleavy was not an answer defensively when he was on the court as a starter and after losing him we got even weaker at that position. Reinsdorf needs to cut the damn crap and spend some money.

Roster is fine, however Noah is not...Bulls need him healthy to beat playoff caliber teams.

 

[Axl Rose]

He's a decent defender and he actually tries. Definitely not a horrible defender like you're making him out to be.

[video=youtube;8A0v6YxwVhU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A0v6YxwVhU[/video]

 

[Bear Pride]

[video=youtube;8A0v6YxwVhU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A0v6YxwVhU[/video]

So the last 5 games is what we're judging the Bulls on then? :dunno:

 

[Axl Rose]

So the last 5 games is what we're judging the Bulls on then? :dunno:

it brought up several ways you can abuse Pau on defense because he's so slow and has bad awareness

teams are gonna keep exploiting him

 

[clonetrooper264]

it brought up several ways you can abuse Pau on defense because he's so slow and has bad awareness

teams are gonna keep exploiting him

Well it's not like Pau's weaknesses are news to the league. He's always been slow. His awareness hasn't always been top notch. I don't see any reason to place more fault on him for having the same weaknesses he's had forever. He's still helped defensively more than Boozer by virtue of being longer and having shot blocking ability. His individual defense won't be great, but at least sometimes his team defense is ok. At that point, it's on Thibs to make sure that the opposing team can't just run the whoever offense on someone every time down.

 

[Axl Rose]

Well it's not like Pau's weaknesses are news to the league. He's always been slow. His awareness hasn't always been top notch. I don't see any reason to place more fault on him for having the same weaknesses he's had forever. He's still helped defensively more than Boozer by virtue of being longer and having shot blocking ability. His individual defense won't be great, but at least sometimes his team defense is ok. At that point, it's on Thibs to make sure that the opposing team can't just run the whoever offense on someone every time down.

im in agreement. i think hes a better Boozer on that side but still not a very good defender

i also don't think the defensive problems are all on him

its the defense as a whole. bad perimeter d, lack of effort, bad rebounding, just overall bad

 

[clonetrooper264]

im in agreement. i think hes a better Boozer on that side but still not a very good defender

i also don't think the defensive problems are all on him

its the defense as a whole. bad perimeter d, lack of effort, bad rebounding, just overall bad

Perimeter defense has definitely been an issue, specifically pick and roll defense by the guards. It seems no one on the team except Kirk and Jimmy knows how to get over a screen. Rose basically doesn't try to play defense unless he's matched up against someone he cares about playing usually. Brooks I guess just isn't good at getting over screens. Dunleavy struggles. Moore struggles. McDermott really struggled. Snell might do ok, I can't remember. Maybe all of that ties back to effort. It definitely does in Rose's case.

Funnily enough, despite the supposed rebounding woes, the Bulls are still almost a top 5 rebounding team (they're 6th currently). They give up a ton of offensive boards, yes, but a lot of that is also due to the increased pace they've played at this year. Remember, this team used to have to win by holding teams to under 90 points because we could barely score 90. We're averaging 102 this year. That means more shots on both sides. They're 4th in rebound differential so while they do give up a lot of rebounds, they're grabbing more. I'm not saying their rebounding has been good, they're obviously giving up too many offensive boards for anyone's liking, but at the same time, it's not like they can't rebound.

 

[The Hawk]

Roster is fine, however Noah is not...Bulls need him healthy to beat playoff caliber teams.

We need both. Noah healthy and a big wing who can play defense.

 

[The Hawk]

I think that it is just this easy. If you have excellent defensive guards and a big guy or two underneath, you can pretty much shut down the other team's guards and SFs. We do not right now have either. We are getting killed by good teams who have good offensive guards.

 

[clonetrooper264]

We need both. Noah healthy and a big wing who can play defense.

So...healthy Noah and Butler?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The fact that Boozer is being brought up at all is laughable. Boozer was as soft as tissue on offense. He was hard to back down in the post but if you get a guy who gets deep enough position on him, with a height advantage over the undersized Boozer, it was two points every time. Boozer always boxed out but rarely contested shots and NEVER rotated or helped on defense. It was always a wide open jumper for his assignment if they were anywhere beyond the FT line.

The Bulls defense is mainly suffering because they no longer feel comfortable switching off. Noah would switch off onto guards and perimeter players all the time last season, and played an awful lot with Taj who would do the same. Now, Gasol is getting the minutes we would've loved to be comfortable giving to Boozer so Taj's role is not as prevalent, and Noah isn't playing well with the injured knee. Throw Mirotic into the mix and you are worse off in terms of frontline defense than any year Thibs has coached the Bulls.

The good news is that it can't get any worse than it is now.

Butler is a premier defender who has admittedly been lazy on defense certain nights. Rose makes a lot of mistakes on defense and can be lazy at times, but he is capable of playing better. With the injuries, the Bulls have been playing really small on the perimeter and that doesn't help.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

http://www.blogabull.com/2015/1/31/7956711/signing-pau-gasol-was-a-mistake

The guy who wrote this^ article is an idiot. I hate even giving him more clicks, but it is just mind-numbing to read some of the arguments he makes.

Some claims he makes in the article:

-Noah, Gibson, and Mirotic are ALL > Gasol

-Bulls were better off with Boozer defensively than Gasol because Boozer 'yelled and boxed out more'

-Gasol doesn't make the Bulls better in any way whatsoever.

 

[Axl Rose]

http://www.blogabull.com/2015/1/31/7956711/signing-pau-gasol-was-a-mistake

The guy who wrote this^ article is an idiot. I hate even giving him more clicks, but it is just mind-numbing to read some of the arguments he makes.

Some claims he makes in the article:

-Noah, Gibson, and Mirotic are ALL > Gasol

-Bulls were better off with Boozer defensively than Gasol because Boozer 'yelled and boxed out more'

-Gasol doesn't make the Bulls better in any way whatsoever.

yeah i spoke on this

his analyst of Gasol is pretty good and frankly while Boozer is not any better defensively he might actually be a better fit for our defense as he didn't take Noah away from where he should be

but then after that he went on a tangent and it became a big "i told you so" type article...he should have stuck with the analyst and scrapped all the "it was a mistake" stuff