Do you think it’s funny that the Cubs took Mark’s kid?

[JordanSigler]

Do you think it’s funny that the Cubs took Mark’s kid?

 

[knoxville7]

 

[wonky73]

 

[Hawkeye OG]

Will certainly be a bit weird seeing the McGwire name in a cubs uni if he makes it

 

[CSF77]

Is he on roids also?

 

[SilenceS]

I dont know about rivalry. They both liked each other. It was probably one of the best summers in baseball history though.

Everyone was watching them and they were just going back and forth after Sammy had the most incredible month of June.

I was 12 at the time and I still remember watching and scoreboard watching. It was great.

Sammy deserves a statue at Wrigley. Greatest player to ever put on a Cubs uni.

 

[knoxville7]

I dont know about rivalry. They both liked each other. It was probably one of the best summers in baseball history though.

Everyone was watching them and they were just going back and forth after Sammy had the most incredible month of June.

I was 12 at the time and I still remember watching and scoreboard watching. It was great.

Sammy deserves a statue at Wrigley. Greatest player to ever put on a Cubs uni.

I was with you until the last statement. No, Sammy does not deserve a statue at Wrigley, and no, he is not the greatest player to ever put on a cubs uni

I think you’re letting you’re childhood memories cloud your judgement on this one lol, which I get it, but cmon

 

[SilenceS]

I was with you until the last statement. No, Sammy does not deserve a statue at Wrigley, and no, he is not the greatest player to ever put on a cubs uni

I think you’re letting you’re childhood memories cloud your judgement on this one lol, which I get it, but cmon

Who was better? I dont care about the steroids. The majority were using and they werent even illegal in baseball.

 

[Icculus]

Ernie Banks and Ryne Sandberg were better for one.

 

[SilenceS]

Ernie Banks and Ryne Sandberg were better for one.

They were? By what statistic? Cause they pretty much all sit around the same fWAR.

They are great players and to me, the top 3 in Cubs history. Ill take Sosa stretch of 3 out of 4 years of 60 home runs juice or not.

Just MO

 

[CSF77]

Ernie Banks and Ryne Sandberg were better for one.

Sandberg was known for only making high % plays and let the lower % go. He was a product of old stats where spitting on a high risk play pays off more than absorbing a error.

Hitting wise he did not stand out other than the fact he was in a low power position and started a movement towards 2B SLG production.

In the current age I'm not sure that he is in the conversation of best Cub.

Ernie will always be known as the face of the franchise.

but by WAR

WAR Position Players

• Cap Anson 84.8.
• Ron Santo 72.1.
• Ryne Sandberg 68.1.
• Ernie Banks 67.7.
• Billy Williams 61.8.
• Sammy Sosa 58.8.
• Stan Hack 55.5.
• Gabby Hartnett 55.0.

 

[Diehardfan]

I doubt anyone will argue Sosa's numbers.....I really don't care what his numbers are. Sosa was a complete douchebag.....sure, you can argue everyone was pumped up on roids but that wasn't enough for this clown. He had to cork his bats as well. Instead of manning up when he got caught....he played the dumb, illiterate foreigner card when brought into court when he had zero trouble doing interviews at the ballpark. Then capped it off by walking away from his team. And that's only the shit that became common knowledge....who knows what else he pulled to get frozen out by the franchise for all these years.

Ok, none of these guys are angels (although Ernie was close) but Sosa went above and beyond to become the ultimate asshole.

 

[SilenceS]

I doubt anyone will argue Sosa's numbers.....I really don't care what his numbers are. Sosa was a complete douchebag.....sure, you can argue everyone was pumped up on roids but that wasn't enough for this clown. He had to cork his bats as well. Instead of manning up when he got caught....he played the dumb, illiterate foreigner card when brought into court when he had zero trouble doing interviews at the ballpark. Then capped it off by walking away from his team. And that's only the shit that became common knowledge....who knows what else he pulled to get frozen out by the franchise for all these years.

Ok, none of these guys are angels (although Ernie was close) but Sosa went above and beyond to become the ultimate asshole.

Time heals and Sosa deserves to be part of the Cubs franchise. Shit, he was the only reason to watch for many years. There have been way bigger dicks in this game. Sosa has also shown remorse for how he acted towards the end. People grow. He should not be ostracized from the Cubs because of it anymore.

Also, this has nothing to do with your post but I am so confused how people look at Sosa, McGwire, Palmero, Bonds, Clemens as these juicers that cheated but praise David Ortiz and put him in. He was accused just like everyone else. The media is dumb.

Bonds and Clemens are def worthy of the hall. Sosa probably as well and Pete Rose. Baseball old timers need to get.

 

[knoxville7]

Who was better? I dont care about the steroids. The majority were using and they werent even illegal in baseball.

steroids werent illegal? I wonder why all those guys got in trouble for using them then?

also, provide factual evidence to prove the majority were using, otherwise you’re merely speculating. Reality is, we will never know what % of players were using.

as far as whomst was better, it seems there’s been some names already mentioned. The obvious ones being banks, Williams, and santo. Throw in sandberg as well. Maddux would be a guy I’d say was a better baseball player than Sammy.

slammin’ sammy was a cheat. It’d be pathetic if he was the “best” to ever put on a cubs uni

 

[SilenceS]

steroids werent illegal? I wonder why all those guys got in trouble for using them then?

also, provide factual evidence to prove the majority were using, otherwise you’re merely speculating. Reality is, we will never know what % of players were using.

as far as whomst was better, it seems there’s been some names already mentioned. The obvious ones being banks, Williams, and santo. Throw in sandberg as well. Maddux would be a guy I’d say was a better baseball player than Sammy.

slammin’ sammy was a cheat. It’d be pathetic if he was the “best” to ever put on a cubs uni

Maddux doesnt count. He played for the Cubs but he is a Brave through and through.

Steroids were not a banned substance in MLB.

Do we go back and throw all the players out who took greenies? Because teams used to have buckets of them in dugouts which is basically speed.

 

[SilenceS]

While Im on a tangent, the steroid trials were a complete disgrace by the government. There was no reason to stick their nose in and they choose baseball. Football, steroids galore running through it. Turn a blind eye. Basketball, players are skinny they arent taking. Oh, I didnt know running faster and jumping higher isnt something someone would want in life.

I grew up through the steroids era where people took them left and right around me. I am a big guy so I never did them, but it was the norm for a good part of a decade but people pick and choose who to witch hunt.

Barry Bonds is the greatest hitter I ever saw on roids. But, when he didnt take it. He was still a top 10 player of all time to me. The guy was a complete 5 tool player. But after the roids, he had absolutely no holes. I watched an at bat the other day where Bonds was turning on 100 mph fastballs with ease abd that was the only way to get him out. Dude was unreal but the media hates him so no hall.

 

[SilenceS]

And to expand, MLB was dying. It was at its lowest point. Sosa and McGwire literally brought it back to life and made a generation of kids want to be baseball players, It was a glorious summer and they got villainized because MLB has no dick and the government wanted headlines.

 

[Diehardfan]

My beef wasn't about the roids. Nobody knows for sure but it's a pretty good guess that most players were on them to some degree. He was just one of many. The corked bat pissed me off, being a pussy in court annoyed me....only a complete asshole walks away from his teammates. And as I said before, there has to be other bridges he burned to be an outcast for this long. I wasn't a kid when this went down so I'll pass on walks down memory lane of his 450' cork induced HRs.

 

[CSF77]

We don't know if he was doing it more then that instance.

If they sawed all of his bats and they were corked then yep.

So in this case I lean towards was a batting practice bat that he juiced for the fans and accidentally grabbed it.

Now if they checked all of them and all were corked then yes cheater.


Regardless cheater is a bit severe. Ass hat. Most likely. But some great players were ass hats in real life.

So everyone was cheating. He was part of a larger issue. If is not fair to play the hate card on a league wide issue.

Ass hat? Well this game has seem plenty of those. They still are in the HOF.

bias? Yep. Called making the Cubs into a holy grail that only the pure can be appreciated

 

[TL1961]

I dont know about rivalry. They both liked each other. It was probably one of the best summers in baseball history though.

Everyone was watching them and they were just going back and forth after Sammy had the most incredible month of June.

I was 12 at the time and I still remember watching and scoreboard watching. It was great.

Sammy deserves a statue at Wrigley. Greatest player to ever put on a Cubs uni.

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