Do you think it’s funny that the Cubs took Mark’s kid?

[TL1961]

We don't know if he was doing it more then that instance.

If they sawed all of his bats and they were corked then yep.

So in this case I lean towards was a batting practice bat that he juiced for the fans and accidentally grabbed it.

Now if they checked all of them and all were corked then yes cheater.


Regardless cheater is a bit severe. Ass hat. Most likely. But some great players were ass hats in real life.

So everyone was cheating. He was part of a larger issue. If is not fair to play the hate card on a league wide issue.

Ass hat? Well this game has seem plenty of those. They still are in the HOF.

bias? Yep. Called making the Cubs into a holy grail that only the pure can be appreciated

So……
His story was that some bats were corked but only for exhibition like batting practice.

And others were legit.

And he only used the legit bats in games.

And yet…….there was not a single marking on any of the bats to tell them apart!!!!!

And as comically absurd and insulting to fans as that explanation was, you bought it??!! ?

 

[Diehardfan]

So……
His story was that some bats were corked but only for exhibition like batting practice.

And others were legit.

And he only used the legit bats in games.

And yet…….there was not a single marking on any of the bats to tell them apart!!!!!

And as comically absurd and insulting to fans as that explanation was, you bought it??!! ?

You forgot the fact that within a couple of innings after the broken bat...all of Sosa's bats suddenly disappeared never to be seen or used again. And that's ALL of his bats.

 

[knoxville7]

Maddux doesnt count. He played for the Cubs but he is a Brave through and through.

Steroids were not a banned substance in MLB.

Do we go back and throw all the players out who took greenies? Because teams used to have buckets of them in dugouts which is basically speed.

You said Sammy was “the greatest player to wear a cubs uni”

so yes, Maddux DOES count

youre literally the only one that thinks Sosa is the greatest cub ever, either way

 

[CSF77]

So……
His story was that some bats were corked but only for exhibition like batting practice.

And others were legit.

And he only used the legit bats in games.

And yet…….there was not a single marking on any of the bats to tell them apart!!!!!

And as comically absurd and insulting to fans as that explanation was, you bought it??!! ?

Where is the proof that all of his bats were corked?
Why was he not banned if so?
Why did he just get a slap on the wrist?

Yet again Fake News wins the day. Good job at proving nothing.

Mac came out and said that he was using. We all know it but he waited after he could not be prosecuted to say something.

Most of these guys were told to lie. All were holding to the same bullshit to save face in MLB.

It was a clownshow.

So Sammy playing dumb? No one ever said that the guy was smart. Most likely he lawyer told him to play dumb and not say anything.

It should have never gone as far as it did. It is a professional sports team. What should have happened is the result instead of the black listing. But some senators wanted to make a name for themselves and it got out of hand.

It was brought into light by a shitty human why was looking to punch MLB in the eye and make cash off of it in booksales. Even though he was the guy that started the whole shit fest.

It was bottom of the barrel scum that happened. Do I want to get into the aftermath? No. The whole league was jacked up. It was a even playing field. Pitchers were pitching into their 40's with not much velocity loss. It was not about the hitters only jacking out the HR's.

On Sammy- Was he an ass hat? Yep. First time he gets 30/30 he goes and gets a stop sign gold 30/30 neck weight for his neck. I knew he was a dumbass at that point. Does that make him a bad baseball player? No. Human? Ya he did some dumb shit as a Cub . But he was the franchise and kept the team afloat during the pre Sale years and was a big part of 2003.

W/E. He was a 30-40 HR threat. Juicing made that a 60 HR threat. It doesn't take away the fact that he can jack the ball out.

2019 MLB juiced the balls. The league went hog. This year they are stuffing them in humidors and the numbers are suppressed.

What is the difference here? MLB cheating or the players... I find it hypocrite myself.

End of the day Cub fans are full of shit. There has been cheating going on in baseball for years. Greenies and all. Pine tar. Scuffing the ball. Vaseline balls. The list goes on. There is no reason to act so high and mighty on a competitive sport where players will do anything to get a pay off.

 

[CSF77]

Well after that rant. I look at Sammy as a guy that took the cash he made and put it back to his country. Most from the DR look up to him.

So what does the opinion of Cubs fans really mean? Sour grapes. He did right by his people and did what needed to be done to compete in a jaded field.

If you don't like it then you are entitled to a opinion. That and 1 buck gets a gumball. Enjoy it

 

[knoxville7]

So because past generations had ways to cheat means we shouldn’t give a damn that Sammy and others were cheating via steroids?

That’s the dumbest logic I’ve heard in a minute!

Hey, give that bank robber a break!! He’s just doing what others have done before him!

 

[CSF77]

So because past generations had ways to cheat means we shouldn’t give a damn that Sammy and others were cheating via steroids?

That’s the dumbest logic I’ve heard in a minute!

Hey, give that bank robber a break!! He’s just doing what others have done before him!

You act like it is a criminal event. It is a bunch of men playing a kids game getting paid off of performance. MLB was not enforcing it. Rather the enhanced players brought in the fans.

It is a fucking business where bigger and better brings in more fans. If the NFL was a bunch of 165 lb guys in cletes would you get excited? No you want to see two 300 lb guys battling for dominance at the line.

So get off of your high horse and pull the stick out of your ass.

This would have kept on going if that book did not publish. MLB was not going to cook the golden goose.

 

[CSF77]

Cut to the chase:

If it was Mac breaking the HR record this would have never blown up. He was celebrated for hitting 70.

Fact it was another black man braking Ruth's record blew this up. It was a witch hunt. Pure and simple.

Aaron got death threats for what he did.

So let's be real for a second here. Mac breaks record. Greatest year ever. Roids were around for a long time. A's were a roid driven team late 80's.

MLB was coming out of a strike and roids saved baseball. That is fact.

So let me be frank here. This was not about someone sticking a needle. It was not about the kids. That is a bunch of bull shit. These senators don't give a rats ass how you raise your kids and if they go to jail. No one cares. Your problem for not raising them right. Placing a blame card is fucking lazy.

So is it about breaking records? No happens and happened pre roiding.

Were there rules in place and drug testing. Was there a guideline to curb such activities? No.

So what is this really about? Black man no one liked jacked up and bolted on a arm shield to keep pitchers from wrecking his elbow. It got to the point pitchers would not pitch to him.

He was a great player before this. But as a ego maniac he was not the type to fall behind cheaters.

When it was him and Jr I believe he was natural talent. Jr went injured and 1998 happened. The whole league went roids and MLB did nothing. Why? Because attendance was up. Roids was making MLB relavent again and it was in a golden age.

So define criminal activities. Was there a law in place that was being broken? Even now if a player pops is he going to jail? No he gets suspended.

So this whole notion of bank robbery is fucking so off it is on the moon.

Better players more money.

Black man breaking white man racord OMG take it to the Senate.

That is why I called it a clown show. The whole evolution was jaded.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

This might be an unpopular opinion but I’m pro steroids in baseball. Want to fix the hitting in baseball? Getting rid of the shift won’t do it. Just let ppl juice so we can watch people hit dingers ffs

 

[knoxville7]

You act like it is a criminal event. It is a bunch of men playing a kids game getting paid off of performance. MLB was not enforcing it. Rather the enhanced players brought in the fans.

It is a fucking business where bigger and better brings in more fans. If the NFL was a bunch of 165 lb guys in cletes would you get excited? No you want to see two 300 lb guys battling for dominance at the line.

So get off of your high horse and pull the stick out of your ass.

This would have kept on going if that book did not publish. MLB was not going to cook the golden goose.

I’m on my high horse because I’m not defending cheaters?! Mmmmk buddy…

 

[knoxville7]

This might be an unpopular opinion but I’m pro steroids in baseball. Want to fix the hitting in baseball? Getting rid of the shift won’t do it. Just let ppl juice so we can watch people hit dingers ffs

If that’s the stance MLB wants to take, then fine. But they have not publicly ever taken that stance.

Personally, I love pitching and defense. The anticipation and nervousness of a 0-0 or 1-0 game in the 7th inning and later is pretty great IMO

those 10-8 ball games can be fun, but it just isn’t the same for me

also, on a side note, I think it’s ridiculous that people want to make the shift illegal. Like who the **** are you to tell a manager where he can and cannot play his defenders. Hell, it’s one of the FEW things managers can still do to impact a game.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

steroids werent illegal? I wonder why all those guys got in trouble for using them then?

also, provide factual evidence to prove the majority were using, otherwise you’re merely speculating. Reality is, we will never know what % of players were using.

as far as whomst was better, it seems there’s been some names already mentioned. The obvious ones being banks, Williams, and santo. Throw in sandberg as well. Maddux would be a guy I’d say was a better baseball player than Sammy.

slammin’ sammy was a cheat. It’d be pathetic if he was the “best” to ever put on a cubs uni

Also Sammy isn't on a level playing field to most the guys he is being compared to. Imagine any of these other guys that have been mentioned if they were able to use steroids to enhance their numbers.

A couple notable mentions include Fergie Jenkins, Billy Williams, Rizzo, Aramis Ramirez, and Derek Lee. These guys were also complete players whereas Sosa became a pretty big hack in the outfield the more he became focused on steroids and HRs than actually winning

 

[Diehardfan]

Here's the thing about the shift. The players could blow it up themselves if they were not so bullheaded about HRs. Just take what's being given and the shift goes away. On most shifts there are either no 1B or no 3B. How hard would it be to drop a bunt over there...if you can't bunt...learn it, it's not that difficult.

 

[SilenceS]

This might be an unpopular opinion but I’m pro steroids in baseball. Want to fix the hitting in baseball? Getting rid of the shift won’t do it. Just let ppl juice so we can watch people hit dingers ffs

They also fucked with the ball again. They need to stop doing it