Does Derrick Rose have "it"?

[BullsZoneWill]

Check out my recent post for ChiCitySports and let me hear your opinions on whether or not Rose has that killer instinct. Best replies might end up on the next episode of Bulls Zone! Go Bulls! http://www.chicitysports.com/2013/10/15/derrick-rose-has-it/

 

[BNB]

I'd like to believe he does. He's going to have to consistently show it in the playoffs to prove he does though.

 

[BullsZoneWill]

I agree!

I'd like to believe he does. He's going to have to consistently show it in the playoffs to prove he does though.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

So this is where it all begins?

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Check out my recent post for ChiCitySports and let me hear your opinions on whether or not Rose has that killer instinct. Best replies might end up on the next episode of Bulls Zone! Go Bulls! http://www.chicitysports.com/2013/10/15/derrick-rose-has-it/

Derrick has shown that he has "IT" on many many occasions.......So he does have "it", but with wisdom and years on his belt, he will learn when the proper time is to turn "IT" on.....The last time he turned "IT" on he left in a wheel chair....Game 1 of the first round of the 2012 playoffs at the end of a game that we were already going to win was the WRONG time to turn "it" on.......Turning "IT" on at the wrong time can cause you to miss a year of basketball..........I think Derrick has learned a valuable lesson.......He does have "IT" and i hope his experience will allow him to properly utilize "IT" at the RIGHT times.

 

[BullsZoneWill]

Very well said!!

Derrick has shown that he has "IT" on many many occasions.......So he does have "it", but with wisdom and years on his belt, he will learn when the proper time is to turn "IT" on.....The last time he turned "IT" on he left in a wheel chair....Game 1 of the first round of the 2012 playoffs at the end of a game that we were already going to win was the WRONG time to turn "it" on.......Turning "IT" on at the wrong time can cause you to miss a year of basketball..........I think Derrick has learned a valuable lesson.......He does have "IT" and i hope his experience will allow him to properly utilize "IT" at the RIGHT times.

 

[Bear Pride]

No offense and with 'all due respect', but anyone, imo, that questions DRose's 'killer instinct', is a fuckin idiot! Welcome to the MB.

 

[BullsZoneWill]

Well said sir, well said!!

No offense and with 'all due respect', but anyone, imo, that questions DRose's 'killer instinct', is a fuckin idiot! Welcome to the MB.

 

[brett05]

Given him sitting out last year after being cleared and saying he felt like he couldn't handle that, I would say he most definitely doesn't have "IT". At least not on the level of Michael, Magic, Larry. And Yes, Lebron absolutely has "IT." Now can Rose get there? Much better question IMO

 

[clonetrooper264]

I would say yes he does have "it"

Definitely had it before the injury, but the fact remains that he did struggle one on one vs Lebron. You can't necessarily blame him (6 inches and 50 pounds is a lot to give up) for not lighting Lebron up, but I think after that series, Rose actually took his performance in the clutch to another level. Of course, he never got a chance to prove it. Lebron's won 2 rings while DRose has been on the sidelines. Even if you have been bashing Rose and his "mental weakness" for the past year, even you would have to agree that that has pissed Rose off a little. We know Rose is an extremely competitive guy. I think he'll rise to the challenge this season, it's just on the rest of the team to back him up.

And on that note of him not having "it" because he didn't play last season, I think that's a load of BS. Rose didn't want to come back until he felt physically able to dominate everyone on the court like he used to, and frankly, if he did come back and didn't do that, many people would've just said "he should've just sat out the season" so the criticism is a little unnecessary. Yes fans would've made excuses for him, but hey, there are some that are making excuses even now. Coming off a serious injury like that, there is not a true right response. If you need a year, you need a year. If you're a freak and only need 6 months, more power to you.

 

[X]

Given him sitting out last year after being cleared and saying he felt like he couldn't handle that, I would say he most definitely doesn't have "IT". At least not on the level of Michael, Magic, Larry. And Yes, Lebron absolutely has "IT." Now can Rose get there? Much better question IMO

Wait, what?


If I've ever learned one thing in the history of ever, it's that you NEVER assume you know how someone has/is healing. Different for everyone.

 

[ChettheJet]

That last bit of intangible is something you look back at and say, see that's where he showed he had 'it'. Until a player shows 'it' you can't predict that he does.

Michael, Magic, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, all showed they had it and won. It's not scoring the most points or triple doubles, it's not always stats. Scoring 40 or getting a career high in steals in a losing effort is what anybody can do and look exhausted saying they left it all on the court. It's about feeling what your team needs that no one else is going to deliver so you step up to be the one to make it happen. It's when the game is in the balance a player does something, that one rebound, one pass, one defensive stop, getting fouled for a three point play at just the moment in the game that it turns the tide is what you look back on and say, there see he's got 'it'. You can go back and see scoring champions, MVP's All Stars who score a little more or get a few more rebounds in the playoffs but still lose because they didn't do that extra that was needed.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Given him sitting out last year after being cleared and saying he felt like he couldn't handle that, I would say he most definitely doesn't have "IT". At least not on the level of Michael, Magic, Larry. And Yes, Lebron absolutely has "IT." Now can Rose get there? Much better question IMO

Derrick already has "IT" inside him right now........He was born with "IT".....He was the best Point Guard in the league and MVP before his injury.....If that doesnt qualify as "IT" then i dont know what the Hell does.........Hes still young and will even get better than before.

P.S, i know i wrote a few posts about trading Derrick, but that was just the troll in me, LoL.
The truth is, Derrick is the only player on the Bulls i wouldnt trade for nothing...........That is unless his knees deteriorate more to the point he falls apart like Rip(humptydumpty)Hamilton.........But i dont think that will happen.

 

[BullsZoneWill]

Did you think he'd come back from that ACL and lead the Bulls to a title? Beat LeBron?! I understand his want to take that season to better himself and in return give the Bulls a much better chance at a title this season and in the near future. Maybe his killer instinct is just a bit smarter and cautious than others. Maybe his killer instinct knew what he had to do with his body inorder to perform the way it needs to to get to the big stage. Like Lebron said, "There are different ways to kill." I think its unfair to judge a mans killer instinct on a decision he made over a serious injury. In his mind he did what he had to, in order to get this team closer to a title and I support that!

 

[brett05]

And on that note of him not having "it" because he didn't play last season, I think that's a load ... Rose didn't want to come back until he felt physically able to dominate everyone on the court like he used to, and frankly, if he did come back and didn't do that, many people would've just said "he should've just sat out the season" so the criticism is a little unnecessary. Yes fans would've made excuses for him, but hey, there are some that are making excuses even now. Coming off a serious injury like that, there is not a true right response. If you need a year, you need a year. If you're a freak and only need 6 months, more power to you.

Guys that have "IT" play thru the times they aren't 100%. Once the doctors cleared him, he showed that he didn't have "IT"

 

[brett05]

Wait, what?


If I've ever learned one thing in the history of ever, it's that you NEVER assume you know how someone has/is healing. Different for everyone.

Nothing was assumed. The doctors cleared him and a few weeks ago Rose admitted he sat out because he didn't think he could handle a double team.

 

[brett05]

Did you think he'd come back from that ACL and lead the Bulls to a title? Beat LeBron?! I understand his want to take that season to better himself and in return give the Bulls a much better chance at a title this season and in the near future. Maybe his killer instinct is just a bit smarter and cautious than others. Maybe his killer instinct knew what he had to do with his body inorder to perform the way it needs to to get to the big stage. Like Lebron said, "There are different ways to kill." I think its unfair to judge a mans killer instinct on a decision he made over a serious injury. In his mind he did what he had to, in order to get this team closer to a title and I support that!

And none of that shows "IT". I'm, sorry, Derrick is no doctor. He was medically cleared from a physical standpoint. Mentally he wasn't there. He said so himself.

But guys with "IT" play when they aren't fully healthy physically (Derrick was) or 100% mentally there (Derrick was not). You are talking abut the best of the best. Not everyone has "IT" But those that have "IT" bring that to the table every night regardless of circumstances if at all possible.

This whole "IT" reminds me of the best wing in a Hall of Fame. Only five guys make it there in Basketball, doesn't mean the guys that don't mean the rest of the guys aren't great hall of fame players, just not elite. And to reiterate, Rose could get there. He is not there now.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Guys that have "IT" play thru the times they aren't 100%. Once the doctors cleared him, he showed that he didn't have "IT"

Nothing was assumed. The doctors cleared him and a few weeks ago Rose admitted he sat out because he didn't think he could handle a double team.

And none of that shows "IT". I'm, sorry, Derrick is no doctor. He was medically cleared from a physical standpoint. Mentally he wasn't there. He said so himself.

But guys with "IT" play when they aren't fully healthy physically (Derrick was) or 100% mentally there (Derrick was not). You are talking abut the best of the best. Not everyone has "IT" But those that have "IT" bring that to the table every night regardless of circumstances if at all possible.

This whole "IT" reminds me of the best wing in a Hall of Fame. Only five guys make it there in Basketball, doesn't mean the guys that don't mean the rest of the guys aren't great hall of fame players, just not elite. And to reiterate, Rose could get there. He is not there now.

Guys that you're thinking of also haven't had injuries as bad as an ACL tear. And for what it's worth, that whole season he played through various injuries and was clearly not 100% (and people were saying sit out, sit out, and whatnot). Now yes he was cleared medically, but the whole mental aspect (being able to trust your knee, attempt the same type of moves you did before) takes longer. I read "I wouldn't have been able to handle a double team" as "I wouldn't have been able to play in a way that would help the team beat Miami." That means that he didn't trust his knee yet which means we not only would have seen a less than 100% Derrick Rose, but a far less than 100% Derrick Rose...like 50% Derrick Rose, even if he's technically 100% healthy.

You underestimate the mental aspect. Yes Kobe has played through injuries like a broken finger for a whole season and even Luol Deng has played with a torn wrist ligament for a season (much to many Bulls fans' dismay), but with those injuries you know you can still play and do things you usually do. You're just dealing with pain and soreness. So they're 100% mentally and maybe 75% physically. With something like a knee injury, or even an ankle injury, though, it takes longer to build up that confidence. Derrick Rose is not a doctor, but you are also not Derrick Rose. You don't know how that knee felt to him. Sure he was not at risk to further injury, but that doesn't mean that he's able to go out there and be MVP Derrick Rose. Especially when you know you're going to be facing a Heat team that's going to be going after you HARD. Put yourself in his shoes. That knee probably doesn't feel quite right even though the doctors are saying that you could play. You go hard in practice and warmups, but still don't feel quite the same. Do you go out there against the top team in the league knowing that Chris Anderson could randomly just body check you to the floor on your way to the basket? Or even just knowing that there was nothing particularly wrong with the move you did when you originally tore your ACL...that it was just a freak injury? Makes you think a little.

And really, everyone who's played through an injury has been 100% mentally. Who has played without being 100% mentally? Probably players that reinjure themselves. That sweeping claim that every bona fide player plays no matter what physical or mental state he's in isn't really true.

 

[brett05]

Again you confuse bona fide player with the "IT"
You also don;t know that the knee was anything but perfect much less only at 50%.
We have to take the doctors at their word. That's the only objective measure.
Players that are hurt never play 100% mentally because the injury takes some of that away.
And even healthy players aren't always mentally sharp night after night, play by play.

Kobe has come out himself and said that if it was a regular season game right now, he'd play. Kobe has "IT" Derrick doesn't as it stands today. I am not going to say who got the worst of the two injuries. I am going to say they are comparable.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Again you confuse bona fide player with the "IT"
You also don;t know that the knee was anything but perfect much less only at 50%.
We have to take the doctors at their word. That's the only objective measure.
Players that are hurt never play 100% mentally because the injury takes some of that away.
And even healthy players aren't always mentally sharp night after night, play by play.

Kobe has come out himself and said that if it was a regular season game right now, he'd play. Kobe has "IT" Derrick doesn't as it stands today. I am not going to say who got the worst of the two injuries. I am going to say they are comparable.

Fine.
Have it your way.
Maybe we can just trade Derrick Rose for "IT" then.

Hows that sound to you?