Double & Triple amount of Flags thrown!

[KittiesKorner]

Now you're going overboard and being disingenuous. As if preferring an offense to whatever you want to call what tice did is worthy of criticism? Please spare us, mr football scholar

 

[PrimeTime]

Like Bot said, Deon Sanders was amazing. If every corner could player like him, I'm sure they would.

But even Deon had the benefit of playing in an era in which the rules helped him.

In today's NFL, defenders get flagged for going too low, too high, for hitting a defenseless receiver, making contact after 5 yards, and obviously holding and PI.

After 5 yards, NFL receivers are pretty much running free. Not only are they running free, but they can now run through the middle or wherever else and jump for a ball knowing they can safely catch it without getting blasted.... But if they do, it doesn't matter because it's going to be a penalty and they'll still be moving the ball down field.

Do you really think QB's throwing for an all-time high completion percentage and having all-time highs in QB rating is because DB's are playing too physical or because they aren't playing "the right way"? 10 years ago, a completion percentage of 60 was considered pretty good. Now it's nothing special. In 2002, Matt Hasselbeck finished 5th in the league with a completion percentage of 63.7. Today, that would rank 16th in the NFL. In 2002, PEyton Manning was 5th in the league with a rating of 88.8. Today, that would put him at 18th tied with Alex Smith.

It's the rules making it easy for the offense and hard for the defense. Face it.

You are absolutely wrong. The 5 yard rule was put into effect in 1979. Long before Deion came into the league. Deion played under these same rules as today except for hitting a WR in the head or hitting a defenseless WR. Those rules didn't effect him anyways because he never hit anyone. As I mentioned earlier, Billicheat was the first coach to challenge the integrity of the league knowing the refs would not call holding on his DB's every time in the superbowl against the Rams. For all you kids that don't remember Super Bowl XXXVI. The Rams were 15 point favorites going into this game. The Patriots had no business being in this game. Billicheat knew there was no way he could stop the Rams offense. If you get a chance watch the game and you will see Ty Law and Co. grabbing and hanging onto the Rams WR's all game. Billicheat knew the fans didn't want to watch a SB flag fest and knew the refs wouldn't call it every time, and he was right. So after that game Pittsburgh and Green Bay implemented the same style defense until what you see today.

As long as fans continue to cry about all the flags coaches like Bellicheat and Carroll will try to get away with it. If the league and refs stick to their guns eventually coaches will make adjustments and the number of flags will go down. This is the same thing that happened in the NBA a couple years ago. The league said they were going to enforce carrying the ball and traveling stricter. Players didn't like it, but after the first week of the season the players adjusted because they didn't want to keep getting turnovers.

 

[Mongo_76]

Now you're going overboard and being disingenuous. As if preferring an offense to whatever you want to call what tice did is worthy of criticism? Please spare us, mr football scholar

The point flew over your head.

Winning is what matters. Not putting up yards.


10-6, no matter how you look at it, is better than 8-8 (or 2-3)

 

[KittiesKorner]

I can assure you it did not. Keep peddling truisms as if they're novel though

 

[ijustposthere]

All these rule changes are making it much more difficult for defenders, particularly defensive backs, to, well, defend. It's no surprise that most of these penalties are on the defense.

Soon, pretty much every game is gonna be like 56-42 and every QB is gonna end the season with 5,000+ yards and 40+ TD's. It's getting too easy to play offense.

Unless you're the Bears LOL.

 

[ijustposthere]

Now you're going overboard and being disingenuous. As if preferring an offense to whatever you want to call what tice did is worthy of criticism? Please spare us, mr football scholar

I prefer DUT.

 

[airtime143]

well, whatever the reason, the Bears certainly are getting the good end of the flags.
They have the second most first downs recieved by penalty, and are tied for 9th in first downs given up by penalty.

Shockingly, green bay is 16th and 16th. I would have guessed that they would have been on the lucky side of things as well.

 

[botfly10]

Just for the record, when people say that the current NFL emphasizes the passing game, the fucking aren't saying that its not necessary to field a D. Its a fucking dumb ass strawman argument nobody is actually making.

 

[ClydeLee]

I've always felt that the reason why the NFL has made these changes is because they WANT more scoring because high scoring games do bring higher ratings.

The NBA made a bunch of changes in the 90's that made it more difficult to play defense. As a result, the games were higher scoring and ratings went up. That's what the NBA wanted, and they didn't really hide from it.

I feel like the NFL is using player safety as the reason why they're making these changes, when in reality it's the money. Now, I definitely do think player safety plays some part in it. A lot of these changes happened as the NFL was being sued by former players. So they wanted to show they were making changes to make the game safer. However, some of the rule changes are ridiculous and have very little to do with player safety.

There's a couple different movements, the hitting rules are the safety lead rules that aren't safety only inspired.

But the rules that are the most damaging to defense were the no contact rules... Which don't benefit safety at all, probably cause it to be worse actually. That's purely to stop teams from doing what New England did from 01-04 and Seattle teams now. None of its safety inspired, and the founding of the rule was from the same mentality. It was in the 70s because of the Steelers.

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[Packer Fan]

The single biggest bump in the value of the NFL (due to spectators) in recent years was Fantasy football.

before fantasy football, most fans watched their team play and then maybe caught the monday night game.

now fantasy fans are watching their team, the late game, Sunday night, Monday and thursday. Kids are playing. Women are playing. It's drawn billions for the NFL.

Low scoring defensive battles are the nemesis of fantasy football. Similarly, a team running the ball, wasting the clock, is bad.


The league is adjusting to where and their fan base is spending money - not dictating it.

Oh FFS. Fantasy Football isn't dictating anything. If it is then the NHL is stupid because scoring is a lot lower than it used to be and you know there is fantasy hockey right? And fantasy baseball, basketball, NASCAR, golf. It's Special person to blame the changes to the game on fantasy football.

 

[Novak]

Oh FFS. Fantasy Football isn't dictating anything. If it is then the NHL is stupid because scoring is a lot lower than it used to be and you know there is fantasy hockey right? And fantasy baseball, basketball, NASCAR, golf. It's Special person to blame the changes to the game on fantasy football.

To be fair, fantasy football is far more popular than any other sport. But i think he was talking about the fantasy mindset of the casual fan. People want to see points, for better or worse.

 

[Packer Fan]

To be fair, fantasy football is far more popular than any other sport. But i think he was talking about the fantasy mindset of the casual fan. People want to see points, for better or worse.

I get the point I just think it is stupid. Paul Hornung scored 176 points in 12 games in 1960. Perhaps that was early FF fans dictating that.

 

[SiDe WaYs]

Oh FFS. Fantasy Football isn't dictating anything. If it is then the NHL is stupid because scoring is a lot lower than it used to be and you know there is fantasy hockey right? And fantasy baseball, basketball, NASCAR, golf. It's Special person to blame the changes to the game on fantasy football.

Fantasy NASCAR??!? Please tell me that's a joke.


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[Novak]

Fantasy NASCAR??!? Please tell me that's a joke.


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Unfortunately fantasy nascar is very real. My brother plays that nonsense.

 

[Bearman 43]

Refs are penalized by Blatant miscalls... their success at calls is how they get judged to be fired, promoted, or given playoff games.

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OK,since you know all about it .For those of us that think your statement is BS,prove it w/facts!

 

[KittiesKorner]

Whaat?

 

[doctorbear]

Deon Sanders was the best CB to play the game, he also was one of the least physical. The problem is a lot of college programs and more than a few NFL coaches are teaching CB's to play physical because they don't have the true talent to play CB by the rules. Just look at some old Deon video and you will see how the position is supposed to be played. It's getting a little tiring listening to people complain about refs not letting CB's play only because they don't understand the rules and don't remember when CB's were taught to play the position the right way.

A lot of this started in 2001 with Billicheat and the Patriots. Since then there have been a lot of copycats. Billicheats premise was the refs are not going to call holding on every play. His actual words were "Who would want to watch a game like that". I'm all for the refs calling it each and every time until coaches realize they have to teach their CB's to play the position the right way.

In all seriousness, are you mentally Special person? Autistic perhaps?

 

[KittiesKorner]

Oh the ironing

 

[HeHateMe]

I'm so confused by this thread.


On another note, do you guys think that if Condeleeza takes over as the new commissioner that the NFL will get fixed?

 

[Tjodalv]

I'm so confused by this thread.


On another note, do you guys think that if Condeleeza takes over as the new commissioner that the NFL will get fixed?

Black chicks fix everything, especially really smart ones. She'll have the refs calling perfect games and completely eliminate spousal abuse and sexual assault.