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[Probie2429]

Arizona could offer an interesting package. 6, 12, Logan Cooley, 24 1st and a couple second rounders. Bedard might be great, but the Oilers have the two best players in the NHL and haven’t even been to the Finals in nearly a decade.

This isn’t the same era when you could sign Hossa and Keith to cap circumventing deals allowing the Hawks to retain additional depth. They also were able to get 88 and 19 to sign bridge deals. Now, you’ll be lucky if Bedard isn’t making 13-14 million in 3 years. Is that a winning formula in the NHL? I don’t believe so.

 

[Raskolnikov]

21stPick

18Players4U

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

go to bed and stop doing drugs dude

 

[LordKOTL]

The only way the 'hawks should even remotely consider giving up Bedard is if the assets they were acquiring would de facto begin another dynastic team starting 2023/2024. That would mean getting enough assets to:

• Roll two scoring lines
• Roll a checking line with an offensive threat
• Roll a 4th line who can soak minutes without sacrificing d
• Roll 2 d-pairings who can play in any situation with at least one of them providing a scoring touch
• Roll a 3rd pairing who can soak up minutes and not be a liability defensively
• Roll a starter goalie who can post at least a .918, if not .920+
• Roll a backup goalie who can be thrown into any situation.
• Ensuring and building chemistry between the players, and using a gameplan which all of the players buy into.
• And...all of those players have to be young enough to keep that pace up for at least 5 years, if not 10 years.

The chance that any team in the league right now could pull together all of the assets that the 'hawks need to make the above happen is definitely improbable, and likely impossible.

Remember, if you're thinking about a trade where you have the main part that other teams are coveting, you have to get the assets which will put you in a better position than if you kept the asset others are trying to trade for. If other teams want to trade you for the right to select a generational player who you can build a dynasty around (if the GM does it right), you're going to want to get assets back which build the dynasty faster, and improving the odds that it will happen. Zegras/Gibson+all the others mentioned don't do that. Neither of those guys is all-world, and it puts the onus back onto KD that all of the extra picks have to hit as much, if not more than the 'hawks standing pat. IMO it's just giving the 'hawks more bites at the apple, not improving the chances much more than them just getting Bedard.

As @KBIB said: Don't overthink this. Even though there are a more guys who could turn out to be franchise players in this draft than others, Bedard is head and shoulders above all of them. It's not rocket science...hell, it's not even christian science.

 

[HeHateMe]

The only way the 'hawks should even remotely consider giving up Bedard is if the assets they were acquiring would de facto begin another dynastic team starting 2023/2024. That would mean getting enough assets to:

• Roll two scoring lines
• Roll a checking line with an offensive threat
• Roll a 4th line who can soak minutes without sacrificing d
• Roll 2 d-pairings who can play in any situation with at least one of them providing a scoring touch
• Roll a 3rd pairing who can soak up minutes and not be a liability defensively
• Roll a starter goalie who can post at least a .918, if not .920+
• Roll a backup goalie who can be thrown into any situation.
• Ensuring and building chemistry between the players, and using a gameplan which all of the players buy into.
• And...all of those players have to be young enough to keep that pace up for at least 5 years, if not 10 years.

The chance that any team in the league right now could pull together all of the assets that the 'hawks need to make the above happen is definitely improbable, and likely impossible.

Remember, if you're thinking about a trade where you have the main part that other teams are coveting, you have to get the assets which will put you in a better position than if you kept the asset others are trying to trade for. If other teams want to trade you for the right to select a generational player who you can build a dynasty around (if the GM does it right), you're going to want to get assets back which build the dynasty faster, and improving the odds that it will happen. Zegras/Gibson+all the others mentioned don't do that. Neither of those guys is all-world, and it puts the onus back onto KD that all of the extra picks have to hit as much, if not more than the 'hawks standing pat. IMO it's just giving the 'hawks more bites at the apple, not improving the chances much more than them just getting Bedard.

As @KBIB said: Don't overthink this. Even though there are a more guys who could turn out to be franchise players in this draft than others, Bedard is head and shoulders above all of them. It's not rocket science...hell, it's not even christian science.

lolo christian science

 

[MassHavoc]

Bedard at 1. Full stop.

But, they say that this draft is one of the strongest in recent history. So much so that we had conversations about a second in this draft possibly equaling a late 1st next year. That being said, the hawks have 7 of the first 67 picks in this years draft. That's a little over 10% of the picks. A lot of opportunity to draft some quality to rebuilt the core. Usually I like to try to use those to move up, maybe get another lottery pick, or push into the first round for a 3rd time. But if this draft is as quality as people say, then I think maybe we just go with quantity. With needs at every position I assume they will go forward heavy to try to surround Bedard, but what do folks think the strategy will be here with the next 6 picks, and is there anyone you'd like to seem them target that is realistic at 20, 35, 44 etc.

 

[HeHateMe]

Bedard at 1. Full stop.

But, they say that this draft is one of the strongest in recent history. So much so that we had conversations about a second in this draft possibly equaling a late 1st next year. That being said, the hawks have 7 of the first 67 picks in this years draft. That's a little over 10% of the picks. A lot of opportunity to draft some quality to rebuilt the core. Usually I like to try to use those to move up, maybe get another lottery pick, or push into the first round for a 3rd time. But if this draft is as quality as people say, then I think maybe we just go with quantity. With needs at every position I assume they will go forward heavy to try to surround Bedard, but what do folks think the strategy will be here with the next 6 picks, and is there anyone you'd like to seem them target that is realistic at 20, 35, 44 etc.

@Chief Walking Stick Looks like we're allowed to post about hockey again here ^^^^

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

@Chief Walking Stick Looks like we're allowed to post about hockey again here ^^^^

I think only once per week when the oblivious clown comes out from under his rock and remembers his password.

 

[HeHateMe]

I think only once per week when the oblivious clown comes out from under his rock and remembers his password.

NOT SURE WHOMST YOU'RE REFERRING TO BUT LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE IT MARKED ON A CALENDAR WHAT DAY(S) WE'RE ALLOWED TO POST ABOUT HOKEY HERE. DIE HARD B-HAWKS FANS WANT TO KNOW!

 

[KBIB]

Bedard at 1. Full stop.

But, they say that this draft is one of the strongest in recent history. So much so that we had conversations about a second in this draft possibly equaling a late 1st next year. That being said, the hawks have 7 of the first 67 picks in this years draft. That's a little over 10% of the picks. A lot of opportunity to draft some quality to rebuilt the core. Usually I like to try to use those to move up, maybe get another lottery pick, or push into the first round for a 3rd time. But if this draft is as quality as people say, then I think maybe we just go with quantity. With needs at every position I assume they will go forward heavy to try to surround Bedard, but what do folks think the strategy will be here with the next 6 picks, and is there anyone you'd like to seem them target that is realistic at 20, 35, 44 etc.

Yeah, bpa.

There is no reason to think too much with all those high picks. Draft the best player available.

I'm hoping Danielson falls or the Hawks move up and get him. Bedard/Danielson would be one of the greatest drafts in Hawks history.

When you hit around pick 40, that's where the boom/bust types are floating. I'm all for taking one after 35 if they are serious about developing kids now that they got Bedard. My worry is they're going to accelerate the rebuild with him. Sure they're saying shit thru the media but we're really not gonna know until the draft.

But ....once the two defenseman are gone there's going to be a run of defenseman and I see at least two going higher then they should. IF the Hawks stay at 19, just wait and see who falls.

Just stick to the rebuild. If it's three to five years stick with it and draft as much talent as you can. Sure you might sneak into the playoffs in three years, but just stack the pipeline up with as much and as many good prospects as you can.

 

[MassHavoc]

Yeah, bpa.

There is no reason to think too much with all those high picks. Draft the best player available.

I'm hoping Danielson falls or the Hawks move up and get him. Bedard/Danielson would be one of the greatest drafts in Hawks history.

When you hit around pick 40, that's where the boom/bust types are floating. I'm all for taking one after 35 if they are serious about developing kids now that they got Bedard. My worry is they're going to accelerate the rebuild with him. Sure they're saying shit thru the media but we're really not gonna know until the draft.

But ....once the two defenseman are gone there's going to be a run of defenseman and I see at least two going higher then they should. IF the Hawks stay at 19, just wait and see who falls.

Just stick to the rebuild. If it's three to five years stick with it and draft as much talent as you can. Sure you might sneak into the playoffs in three years, but just stack the pipeline up with as much and as many good prospects as you can.

I'm not saying you shoot for next year but with Bedard on board and so many draft assets this year and next you can afford to accelerate the rebuild some. Maybe 3 year max instead of five. I always worry about breaking talent by going too slow. Disenfranchised players learning to be okay with losing over too long a period. Not striking while the iron is hot to lure in free agents. We'll see what can be put around him I guess.

 

[HeHateMe]

I'm not saying you shoot for next year but with Bedard on board and so many draft assets this year and next you can afford to accelerate the rebuild some. Maybe 3 year max instead of five. I always worry about breaking talent by going too slow. Disenfranchised players learning to be okay with losing over too long a period. Not striking while the iron is hot to lure in free agents. We'll see what can be put around him I guess.

@Chief Walking Stick 2nd hawkey post in 2 days!!!! WHAT IS GOING ON??????????????????

 

[KBIB]

I'm not saying you shoot for next year but with Bedard on board and so many draft assets this year and next you can afford to accelerate the rebuild some. Maybe 3 year max instead of five. I always worry about breaking talent by going too slow. Disenfranchised players learning to be okay with losing over too long a period. Not striking while the iron is hot to lure in free agents. We'll see what can be put around him I guess.

Well considering it seems like they're focused on drafting for the next three years with all the picks, you are looking at minimum five years before these kids are ready from this year and next not counting Bedard.

Your gonna have to give these kids time. Even last years draft you might see Korchinski get the nine games but then shipped back down. You might see Allan the nine then he's shipped to methford. If this is how they're doing it, you gotta stick with it.

I'm not against offer sheeting Laff from the Rags, although he can't skate for shit and so long as the compensation is a second, which I'm sure the Rangers would match. I'd offer sheet Miller, too.

If KD wants to accelerate it, he needs to get young guys that are half way thru their development. That's gonna cost alot.

 

[KBIB]

But....I also think KD had a vision of a big, goony team where everyone was either 6'2 or bigger or could skate like the wind. Bedard completely shreds that's template in two. Now, you have a completely electric game breaker to build around and he needs to have more skill around him then I think KD wanted.

Fantilli checks every box of the KD type. Bedard equals another team that's going to rely on Puck possession because you sure as shit don't want Bedard chasing the Puck you want it on his stick.

This is why Danielson would be the ideal other first rounder. He's relentless defensively and is one of the best skaters in the draft.

 

[MassHavoc]

But....I also think KD had a vision of a big, goony team where everyone was either 6'2 or bigger or could skate like the wind. Bedard completely shreds that's template in two. Now, you have a completely electric game breaker to build around and he needs to have more skill around him then I think KD wanted.

Fantilli checks every box of the KD type. Bedard equals another team that's going to rely on Puck possession because you sure as shit don't want Bedard chasing the Puck you want it on his stick.

This is why Danielson would be the ideal other first rounder. He's relentless defensively and is one of the best skaters in the draft.

I'm hopeful like Kane, Bedard is good enough to accelerate the development of the players around him. Kane made a lot of careers off making guys better fast. Of course I can't forget he wasn't doing that right out of the gate and had some other future hall of famers around him so I'm cautiously optimistic.

 

[ytsejam]

I'm optimistically cautious.

 

[MassHavoc]

I'm optimistically cautious.

 

[SkyKing]

If things go as planned, Bedard will be the face of the franchise and sell tickets for a long time. It's a bit of old-school thinking but maybe KD will either sign some FA's to be around for Bedard's protection or at least draft for size and scrappiness. I'm not talking complete goons but guys who'll step in when it's necessary, especially while Bedard's a young guy.

 

[Granada]

If things go as planned, Bedard will be the face of the franchise and sell tickets for a long time. It's a bit of old-school thinking but maybe KD will either sign some FA's to be around for Bedard's protection or at least draft for size and scrappiness. I'm not talking complete goons but guys who'll step in when it's necessary, especially while Bedard's a young guy.

Yup. Much like he did this past year with guys like Tinordi, Domi, etc. You need these guys on a young team, let alone a team with a guy like Bedard, who's going to Public Target #1 around the league.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Hey guys, you've had your fun. That's enough against the rules hockey talk for the week. Wrap it up.