Dropped INT Thread

[Icculus]

Hickory Dickory Dock
You suck a bunch of ****
The clock strikes two
You swallow the goo
Then lock ass on the next block

 

[Scoot26]

Da hell?

 

[Icculus]

Funny coming from a Douche

 

[Novak]

Da hell?

Ikr? What does ass rape have to do with dropped INTs?

:howdid:

 

[Scoot26]

Ikr? What does ass rape have to do with dropped INTs?

:howdid:

Well Jay Cutler.....

 

[Novak]

Well Jay Cutler.....

True, true... Cutler does suck ass. I see the correlation

 

[Newblood]

Funny coming from a Douche

So would you say your homophobic anger stems from your father overly breast feeding you or under breast feeding you?

 

[JDB_219]

So is this like when you started a thread asking if the GM was a moron, then promptly stated that you never said he was a moron?

I never said he was a moron. I said, he has done some things that look questionable. If I decide he is a moron, I'll let you know.

Oh, and did you ever figure out what inferior means?

Unlike Novak, I don't think you are a pure troll. You seem like you don't understand how to make a good argument. You fall back on personal insults, misstatements and straw men. It makes you look foolish or dishonest and doesn't support your points. You almost successfully made a good argument above... but then you screwed it up by misstating my argument.

I have said, Major and Conte are OK and that people put too much blame on them. That statement is not controversial or hard to understand, I don't really see why you would even bother to strongly disagree.

 

[Novak]

Wtf is a "pure troll"?

 

[Newblood]

Unlike Novak, I don't think you are a pure troll. You seem like you can't don't understand how to make a good argument. You fall back on personal insults, misstatements and straw men. It makes you look foolish or dishonest and doesn't support your points. You almost successfully made a good argument above... but then you screwed it up by misstating my argument.

I have said, Major and Conte are OK and that people put too much blame on them. That statement is not controversial or hard to understand, I don't really see why you would even bother to strongly disagree.

I don't know how to make an argument? That's funny coming from you. You run around in circles and backtrack almost as much as Remy.

Let me ask you this question for the 3rd time: what does safeties taking poor angles, constantly biting on pump fakes and poor tackling have to do with sub-par front 7 play?

If you avoid the question again, then you will know the answer to your question above.

On top of that I find it comical that your argument in favor of Conte and Wright is, they were OK when the people in front of them was good. But when the front 7 was bad, then they were bad.
That's akin to saying, the safeties where ok when they were hiding behind the good front 7. But when they were called upon and needed, then they sucked

Using that logic, I can say, Fales has never lost a game or thrown an interception in a game for the Bears so he has at least been an ok QB for the Bears.

 

[Novak]

Rex grossman was OK, when the baers defense was superb. He got them to a superbowl. Then the defense wasn't superb so grossman got bad.

 

[JDB_219]

I don't know how to make an argument? That's funny coming from you. You run around in circles and backtrack almost as much as Remy.

Let me ask you this question for the 3rd time: what does safeties taking poor angles, constantly biting on pump fakes and poor tackling have to do with sub-par front 7 play?

If you avoid the question again, then you will know the answer to your question above.

On top of that I find it comical that your argument in favor of Conte and Wright is, they were OK when the people in front of them was goo That d. But when the front 7 was bad, then they were bad.
That's akin to saying, the safeties where ok when they were hiding behind the good front 7. But when they were called upon and needed, then they sucked

Using that logic, I can say, Fales has never lost a game or thrown an interception in a game for the Bears so he has at least been an ok QB for the Bears.

That is the exact point. Did you miss all the discussion singling out Conte as a main problem? Did you miss the years where the Bears could not find a decent safety anywhere? These two were starters while the D was dominant and they were making plays, not just hiding.

Every safety takes bad angles and misses tackles at times, the front 7 was so bad in 13 that we needed Mike Brown from 2001 back there. The reason Mike Brown was so great is that he covered up other players' mistakes with his All-Pro level ability. I have simply said that safety was good enough with Major and Conte. That was in response to all the people who blamed safeties and wanted to use a first rounder on a safety. Other positions were much more in need of improvement in my opinion.

 

[Newblood]

That is the exact point. Did you miss all the discussion singling out Conte as a main problem? Did you miss the years where the Bears could not find a decent safety anywhere? These two were starters while the D was dominant and they were making plays, not just hiding.

Every safety takes bad angles and misses tackles at times, the front 7 was so bad in 13 that we needed Mike Brown from 2001 back there. The reason Mike Brown was so great is that he covered up other players' mistakes with his All-Pro level ability. I have simply said that safety was good enough with Major and Conte. That was in response to all the people who blamed safeties and wanted to use a first rounder on a safety. Other positions were much more in need of improvement in my opinion.

Quote me one person who said that safety was the main reason the defense was bad. I am curious who these people are you keep mentioning that blamed it all on the safeties.

Let me ask you this question for the 4rd time: what does safeties taking poor angles, constantly biting on pump fakes and poor tackling have to do with sub-par front 7 play? You avoidance of this questions is beyond pathetic at this point.

And don't feed some BS about all safeties take bad angles once in a while. Using that logic would put Conte in the same class as Mike Brown and Polamalu. Because you know, they all took bad angles at times. There is a huge difference between taking bad angles at times and getting highlighted constantly for doing it.

It's also funny that you can credit Mike Brown for covering up other players mistakes with one breathe and then minimize the affect that good front 7 play had on the safety position. Which is really irrelevant anyway. Because with the safety and CB positions you can more easily evaluate it based upon individual effort and performance because they are more on an island that the front 7 positions.

There is a reason I pointed out taking bad angles, poor tackling and biting on pump fakes as a negative for safeties. Because, despite what you want to believe, those attributes can be tied to an individuals performance and are exclusive to the performance of the other players on the field.

You may as well try to tell us that Kellen Davis was obviously a good TE because he has a superbowl ring.

 

[JDB_219]

Quote me one person who said that safety was the main reason the defense was bad. I am curious who these people are you keep mentioning that blamed it all on the safeties.

Let me ask you this question for the 4rd time: what does safeties taking poor angles, constantly biting on pump fakes and poor tackling have to do with sub-par front 7 play? You avoidance of this questions is beyond pathetic at this point.

And don't feed some BS about all safeties take bad angles once in a while. Using that logic would put Conte in the same class as Mike Brown and Polamalu. Because you know, they all took bad angles at times. There is a huge difference between taking bad angles at times and getting highlighted constantly for doing it.

It's also funny that you can credit Mike Brown for covering up other players mistakes with one breathe and then minimize the affect that good front 7 play had on the safety position. Which is really irrelevant anyway. Because with the safety and CB positions you can more easily evaluate it based upon individual effort and performance because they are more on an island that the front 7 positions.

There is a reason I pointed out taking bad angles, poor tackling and biting on pump fakes as a negative for safeties. Because, despite what you want to believe, those attributes can be tied to an individuals performance and are exclusive to the performance of the other players on the field.

You may as well try to tell us that Kellen Davis was obviously a good TE because he has a superbowl ring.

Bad front 7 forces more tackle opportunities on a safety, which is more chances to screw up. Did you watch the games? I've never seen a Bears safety asked to make more tackles of running backs who hit the secondary untouched. So many of the Conte's missed tackles were open field one on one situations.

Bad front 7 gives QB time to pump fake etc... Football is a team sport, each unit works together. Safeties looked worse when QB had more time or running back doesn't have to slow down before hitting the last line of defense.


In the end I still don't understand your contention that Conte and Wright weren't acceptable performers. Did the D look better last year without Major and with Conte's role reduced? They are NFL caliber starters that were left terribly exposed by a lack of talent around them. That 2013 team was starting Khaseem Greene and Bostick. They signed guys on Wed and started them on Sunday at DT, and you don't think that has an effect on the secondary?

 

[Newblood]

Bad front 7 forces more tackle opportunities on a safety, which is more chances to screw up. Did you watch the games? I've never seen a Bears safety asked to make more tackles of running backs who hit the secondary untouched. So many of the Conte's missed tackles were open field one on one situations.

Bad front 7 gives QB time to pump fake etc... Football is a team sport, each unit works together. Safeties looked worse when QB had more time or running back doesn't have to slow down before hitting the last line of defense.


In the end I still don't understand your contention that Conte and Wright weren't acceptable performers. Did the D look better last year without Major and with Conte's role reduced? They are NFL caliber starters that were left terribly exposed by a lack of talent around them. That 2013 team was starting Khaseem Greene and Bostick. They signed guys on Wed and started them on Sunday at DT, and you don't think that has an effect on the secondary?

The concept of individual evaluation is beyond you. All I can do is laugh at this point.

And the major point of a safety is to make open field tackles, that is why they are called a "safety".

 

[JDB_219]

The concept of individual evaluation is beyond you. All I can do is laugh at this point.

And the major point of a safety is to make open field tackles, that is why they are called a "safety".

Maybe in high school. If you think the main job of a modern NFL safety is to make tackles on Reggie Bush with a head of steam then you are confused.

 

[Newblood]

Maybe in high school. If you think the main job of a modern NFL safety is to make tackles on Reggie Bush with a head of steam then you are confused.

Lol. You are so far beyond clueless. It's amazing

You are right, if a RB breaks through the front 7, an NFL safety isn't responsible to be, well you know, a safety. He has a free pass to keep running down field in pass coverage and not worry about anything else.

 

[JDB_219]

Yep, that's why they keep converting corners to safety, to get better run stoppers on the field.

 

[Newblood]

Yep, that's why they keep converting corners to safety, to get better run stoppers on the field.

Yep, they keep converting CBs to safety because their pass coverage skills are wasted at CB. Holy shit you are dumb.

Maybe you should read up on the roles of a strong safety. Which you know, is the position of one of the safeties you mentioned.