DUI Thread

[jaxhawksfan]

I'm going out the zero alcohol thing. I'm sorry I can drink one beer and get in my car and drive fine without impairment, I have 100% use of my faculties and my reaction time if diminished is not by any noticable amount.

Yeah, after reading more, and thinking more about it I am changing my opinion on that. I'm leaning more towards "do whatever you want" but when you hit something, hurt someone or generally **** up, then the penalties should be stiff. I don't consider swerving in your own lane "generally fucking up" in this scenario.



P.S. Is this the first time someone has changed their opinion on these boards?

 

[supraman]

Yeah, after reading more, and thinking more about it I am changing my opinion on that. I'm leaning more towards "do whatever you want" but when you hit something, hurt someone or generally **** up, then the penalties should be stiff. I don't consider swerving in your own lane "generally fucking up" in this scenario.



P.S. Is this the first time someone has changed their opinion on these boards?

I think there should be a limit but I know .08 is too low, too conservative. I remember being taught in school that .08 for an average sized person is 1 beer, glass of wine or mixed drink over 1 hour.



And who is going to nurse a drink over an hour.

 

[LordKOTL]

The difference between a necessity and a privelege is nebulous, and compounded by many factors.



1st off, an argument can be made that living 45 minutes away from where you work because it's cheaper is a priveledge unto itself. If you don't own a car you have more disposable income and thus can afford the higher rent living closer to where you work. Further, since a house is definitly not a priveledge, nor is a roomy apartment, it could further be argued that you could have afforded a cheap studio apartment in town within walking or public transit distance from your office, and as such everything above and beyond it is a luxury--a privelege. If you fail to follow the rules of the road as laid down and lose your license, sucks to be you--you should have thought of that before you drove intoxicated.



Or, you could carpool.



Yes, I am playing extreme devil's advocate here.



It's compounded by the fact that cars were cheap in the US, and the majority of newer towns and cities were built with the intent that everyone likley owns a car, and public transit was not really needed. Other countries have a very good public transit infrastructure because not everyone owns a car. Plus, no one who owns a car and regularly uses one wants a tax hike to go to support public transit.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

The difference between a necessity and a privelege is nebulous, and compounded by many factors.



1st off, an argument can be made that living 45 minutes away from where you work because it's cheaper is a priveledge unto itself. If you don't own a car you have more disposable income and thus can afford the higher rent living closer to where you work. Further, since a house is definitly not a priveledge, nor is a roomy apartment, it could further be argued that you could have afforded a cheap studio apartment in town within walking or public transit distance from your office, and as such everything above and beyond it is a luxury--a privelege. If you fail to follow the rules of the road as laid down and lose your license, sucks to be you--you should have thought of that before you drove intoxicated.



Or, you could carpool.



Yes, I am playing extreme devil's advocate here.



It's compounded by the fact that cars were cheap in the US, and the majority of newer towns and cities were built with the intent that everyone likley owns a car, and public transit was not really needed. Other countries have a very good public transit infrastructure because not everyone owns a car. Plus, no one who owns a car and regularly uses one wants a tax hike to go to support public transit.

I would argue your cost of living in the city vs. cost of living in the country example. I think homes/apartments in the country are far cheaper. As for the distance between home and work, people don't generally change addresses as often as they change jobs. People also don't keep the same job from their teens to retirement like they used to.

 

[LordKOTL]

Fair enough, again, I was playing devil's advocate. But again, it goes down to right vs. privlege. You're not owed your own home. You could probably get a mortgage a home in the boondocks for as much as a small apartment's in the city close to public transportation. That was was I was having it all come down to.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

Fair enough, again, I was playing devil's advocate. But again, it goes down to right vs. privlege. You're not owed your own home. You could probably get a mortgage a home in the boondocks for as much as a small apartment's in the city close to public transportation. That was was I was having it all come down to.

And I don't disagree with you. I still think driving is more than a privilege at this point. There is an article on yahoo right now about certain places in the USA where cars are not allowed. Of course they are small vacation type islands where everything is within walking distance. I won't even get into the argument about getting to the grocery store.

 

[TSD]

And I don't disagree with you. I still think driving is more than a privilege at this point. There is an article on yahoo right now about certain places in the USA where cars are not allowed. Of course they are small vacation type islands where everything is within walking distance. I won't even get into the argument about getting to the grocery store.

I am not generally one for using europe as an example, but when it comes to public trans the US just sucks compared to europe. I work with alot of foreigners who have worked in many countries especially in europe, and generally thats the only thing they dont like better in the US is public transportation.

 

[Tater]

I am not generally one for using europe as an example, but when it comes to public trans the US just sucks compared to europe. I work with alot of foreigners who have worked in many countries especially in europe, and generally thats the only thing they dont like better in the US is public transportation.

How do we pay for it though? Borrow from China?

No REAL cuts will be made here.