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18 points in 17 games for Keith AS A BLUELINER.
+13 as well.
+13 as well.
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Two Hawks D men have more Norris trophies.
Love Keith, but not ready to elevate him over Chelios just yet.
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Chelios as a Hawk and Chelios as a whole NHL career player are two different things.
Technically Bobby Orr was the greatest Hawks defensemen if you want to count the whole career.
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What he said.
Chelios was here for about 8.5 years. He won a pair of Norris Trophies on his own and a conference title as a team. Keith has him matched on the Norris, far surpassed in team success, and he's already in his 10th season in Chicago.
Strictly in terms of their contributions to the Blackhawks, Keith > Chelios, and the gap is getting significantly wider each day.
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Good lord. Keith has been here for a decade already. Doesn't seem like that long.
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Likewise.
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Conn Symthe is waiting for him.
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Do you really think comparing Chelios' career as a Hawk and Orr's is even remotely comparable?
Orr played like ten minutes as a Hawk. Chelios played several years and won TWO Norris trophies as a Blackhawk.
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How many Cups did he win with Chicago?
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Well, I would gladly take Duncan Keith on my team any day, as he is sensational. So it's certainly no slam on Keith - nothing of the kind.
But what started as a discussion of individual play now has team success factored in (for some unknown reason). Yes, I would gladly take the success of the Keith era over the results of the Chelios era. But that was not the discussion.
But when it comes to just the D men, I won't argue against Dunc. He is better offensively, and smart as hell. LOVE the way the guy plays, and he is an all time favorite.
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In spite of your posts, i refuse to believe you can be this dumb.
We were talking of individual players, not team success.
I will go out on a limb and say this Hawks team wins the cup with Keith or Chelios.
I will also go out on a limb and guess you are too young (or too recently a Hawks fan) to have watched Chelios play.
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So, zero cups for Chelios with the Hawks then?
I rest my case.
And to answer your question... no I'm not a new fan. I've been watching hockey for 6 years.
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You are making a case in an argument only you are having. (What a shock)
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You still haven't answered my question. (What a shock)
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I grew up watching Chelios, but not with an eye for hockey.
I'm really not sure you could put anybody in the history of the NHL to replace Keith and come out of that anaheim or predators series. He had so many big stops, so many minutes. You would be asking Chelios to carry the weight of the bench also, and play 32 minutes a game.
Can he do that?
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Not only that but he was targeted. The Ducks knew the Hawks were 4 deep on the back end. It was clearly their strategy to bully and bludgeon him hoping he would wilt. But it didn't happen. He endured, and ultimately, prevailed. Unbelievable! It makes me think of the scene from Cinderella Man when Giamatti tells him he has to "beat this guy from the inside out, Jim. From the inside out!" But it was Keith who was the last man standing. I remembering it registering when he was beating guys to pucks even after 40 minutes.
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If my Duncs thread gets locked i will haunt your dreams and wreck your wives next pregnancy.
We understood?
Good
Keith
We understood?
Good
Keith
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Guess who added to his stats tonight?
+14 thats amazing
Tied for 4th in points at 19 only 2 behind TJ for 1st....amaaaaaaazing!!
17 Assists and will pass Perry at 18 for first very soon
This guy doesnt stop. Playoffs for the ages for a blueliner.
+14 thats amazing
Tied for 4th in points at 19 only 2 behind TJ for 1st....amaaaaaaazing!!
17 Assists and will pass Perry at 18 for first very soon
This guy doesnt stop. Playoffs for the ages for a blueliner.