Edge Defender Rankings - Guess who is No 1

[bamainatlanta]

Msadows and Pagano. Msadows and Trubisky a close second.

@nc0gnet0 and Matt Patricia

 

[remydat]

I watch the games and sack numbers aside, I haven't seen the same guy I saw in 18. That version of Mack was consistently destroying double and triple teams. The Mack I've seen recently I've watched lose a lot of 1 on 1s....hell, seen him getting 1 on 1 blocked by a TE. Now, he's still a great player and has probably been banged up the past couple of seasons...but it goes way beyond his sack numbers. He just doesn't look like the same otherworldly player. PFF rankings are nice and all, but the eye test shows a diminished player than his 18 self. It also seems like his motor was higher and more consistent in 18. Runs a bit hot/cold lately.

2018 Mack was a DPOY and just a tick below Aaron Donald. 2020 Mack is the best edge player in the NFL but the gap between him and Donald has widened.

It is the difference between being a generational talent ie Donald vs simply being one of the top players at your position. Both versions of Mack are still worth the money IMO.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

PFF and remydat.

Name a better duo.

Msadows and chuck Pagano

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Msadows and Pagano. Msadows and Trubisky a close second.

I didn't read down far enough before my comment

 

[dabears70]

Probably because he is 31 and was injured and missed most of the season last year.

Which is why i said he's been underrated his entire career and didn't anything about last year.

 

[Hutch1975]

They have Hicks at #15 among interior linemen, and noted he had some pretty high pass-rush grades, too.

To me, it's about getting the pressure. Mack and Hicks don't have to get the sack. It could be a teammate that gets the sack. Or maybe the QB, sensing they're close to his personal space, ends up passing without the best of reads.

 

[PrideisBears]

They have Hicks at #15 among interior linemen, and noted he had some pretty high pass-rush grades, too.

To me, it's about getting the pressure. Mack and Hicks don't have to get the sack. It could be a teammate that gets the sack. Or maybe the QB, sensing they're close to his personal space, ends up passing without the best of reads.

Mack was getting behind the line but Pagano allowed a cushion on every single snap so if there was even a slightly competent QB back there, they saw the opening

 

[alabamabearsfan]

You will see a night and day difference with our defense if our offense can consistently put up points, stay on the field longer than three plays, minimize turnovers, and yield better starting field position for them.

I can't imagine the lasting impact on your desire to consistently play lights out on D when you you lose to the Packers despite holding Aaron Rodgers to 10 points...

Those guys can still ball out... yes, they are older, but give them a few minutes to catch their breath collectively between series, an intelligent scheme, and above all else, faith that the offense can bail them out if they give up a big play, and they will return to 2018 form; or at least something close to it.

 

[Nelly]

You will see a night and day difference with our defense if our offense can consistently put up points, stay on the field longer than three plays, minimize turnovers, and yield better starting field position for them.

I can't imagine the lasting impact on your desire to consistently play lights out on D when you you lose to the Packers despite holding Aaron Rodgers to 10 points...

Those guys can still ball out... yes, they are older, but give them a few minutes to catch their breath collectively between series, an intelligent scheme, and above all else, faith that the offense can bail them out if they give up a big play, and they will return to 2018 form; or at least something close to it.

Yep. It's a lot harder to rush the passer when the opposing team is in position to hold onto a lead with the run game. You can't just break contain in pursuit of the QB all game long.

 

[Enasic]

2018 Mack was a DPOY and just a tick below Aaron Donald. 2020 Mack is the best edge player in the NFL but the gap between him and Donald has widened.

It is the difference between being a generational talent ie Donald vs simply being one of the top players at your position. Both versions of Mack are still worth the money IMO.

So you’re saying Mack is the best edge player definitively because PFF says so or because of his PFF rankings and the eye test?

 

[WindyCity]

No issues with Mack. We need a young, cheap, cost controlled running mate for him.

 

[remydat]

Which is why i said he's been underrated his entire career and didn't anything about last year.

Underrated by whom? He was an All Pro 2 out of the last 3 years when he was healthy.

 

[bamainatlanta]

No issues with Mack. We need a young, cheap, cost controlled running mate for him.

Yep. And not an injured, expensive, old veteran like Quinn

 

[remydat]

So you’re saying Mack is the best edge player definitively because PFF says so or because of his PFF rankings and the eye test?

Yes from what I can see Pagano was a huge reason for his lack of sacks. If you compare to TJ Watt for example, Watt is single blocked far more than Mack because the Steelers scheme for him to get one on ones.

He is clearly a top Edge player even if you dont eant to put him at one. That is the point.

 

[remydat]

Yep. And not an injured, expensive, old veteran like Quinn

I may be in the minority but I think Quinn will be fine this year. His PRWR and double team % was higher than Floyd's. It is just one of those things where he was pretty unlucky in terms of finishing and again Pagano did not help him.

 

[Pegger]

I hate all the rankings articles that come out in this time of year. Just throwing out random opinions trying to generate clicks.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I may be in the minority but I think Quinn will be fine this year. His PRWR and double team % was higher than Floyd's. It is just one of those things where he was pretty unlucky in terms of finishing and again Pagano did not help him.

I think most Bears fans think Quinn needs to prove himself. At this point as a Chicago Bear he is a bust and a waste of money. The question is, what does his 2021 season have to look like to be worth that contract he signed?

 

[bamainatlanta]

I may be in the minority but I think Quinn will be fine this year. His PRWR and double team % was higher than Floyd's. It is just one of those things where he was pretty unlucky in terms of finishing and again Pagano did not help him.

I think he will be fine if his dead foot is healed. If not, give the reps to Attachou(?) & Gipson

 

[dabears70]

Yes from what I can see Pagano was a huge reason for his lack of sacks. If you compare to TJ Watt for example, Watt is single blocked far more than Mack because the Steelers scheme for him to get one on ones.

He is clearly a top Edge player even if you dont eant to put him at one. That is the point.

The Steelers probably blitz more than any other team, if not then it's real close, but the blitzing helps Watt and did help B.Dupree to get to the QB.

 

[Enasic]

Yes from what I can see Pagano was a huge reason for his lack of sacks. If you compare to TJ Watt for example, Watt is single blocked far more than Mack because the Steelers scheme for him to get one on ones.

He is clearly a top Edge player even if you dont eant to put him at one. That is the point.

I think he is a top edge player…is he the best? I don’t know but he’s up there. We’re in agreement that he’s not the same player as he was in 18 but still elite overall